[CL] Champions League 2011/12 (17 Viewers)

[Buck Fuddy]

I will admit that I was one of those wanting Inter to win. Although I knew that it wouldn't have much impact, I simply wanted them to win for the sake of stopping the bleeding even more. Obviously it didn't work. It's really amazing, when you think about it, what Calciopoli has done not only to our beloved Juventus, but to Serie A as a whole.

Without Calciopoli, Juve would still have been one of the strongest clubs in the world, would not have suffered 1st round flameouts that the likes of Lazio, roma, and udinese have suffered, and the trickle down effect of that would have been that the aforementioned clubs would have had greater success in the Europa leagues, where they quite honestly belong, and the coefficient would have maintaned its level. Serie A cut off its nose to spite its face with Calciopoli, and now Serie A is suffering for it. This short sightedness and heavy handedness have cost this league dearly.

Which of course leads people to say: FICG screwed us over, their own fault, why should we care.

All the while forgetting to look at the bigger picture: we're an Italian team, playing in the Italian league. If the league is screwed, we are as well.

 

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[Ventus]

I wanted Inter Milan to win that season, because I believed Juve could have finished 4th the season after.

But then Del Neri happened...

Whoever/whatever benefits Juve I will support end of.

 

[Cheesio]

Chelsea vs Milan should be an interesting matchup.

I could see Milan advancing if Fabregas is fit and if Tevez find a way to break his scoring drought.

 

[K.O.]

I could see Milan advancing if Fabregas is fit and if Tevez find a way to break his scoring drought.

But they still have Pato on the bench, he can come on anytime to score... or get injured.

 

[KB824]

Which of course leads people to say: FICG screwed us over, their own fault, why should we care.

All the while forgetting to look at the bigger picture: we're an Italian team, playing in the Italian league. If the league is screwed, we are as well.

Which poses the question as to how it came to pass that Serie A, who was once on par with La Liga and the EPL in terms of quality, finances, and prestige, fall from grace and erode in front of everyone's eyes.

It's quite simple. The Spanish and English governments get it. They get it. They knew full well that the times were changing, and those times now required that the clubs play in quality stadia, with various sources of revenue to be generated. The Italian Government simply doesn't get it. And by the time they do, it will be too late. You can't have the majority of teams in Serie A playing in stadia that were suitable in the 1950's. It can't be done.

Blame the FIGC all you want for the downturn of juventus, but blame the Italian Government even more for the misfortunes of Serie A at this point. There's a reason why Italy has been passed over time and again for the European Championships. They are all talk, no action. Not one single stadium outside of Juve's have undergone any serious renovations since WC 1990, and that is disgraceful.

 

[Red]

Which poses the question as to how it came to pass that Serie A, who was once on par with La Liga and the EPL in terms of quality, finances, and prestige, fall from grace and erode in front of everyone's eyes.

It's quite simple. The Spanish and English governments get it. They get it. They knew full well that the times were changing, and those times now required that the clubs play in quality stadia, with various sources of revenue to be generated. The Italian Government simply doesn't get it. And by the time they do, it will be too late. You can't have the majority of teams in Serie A playing in stadia that were suitable in the 1950's. It can't be done.

Blame the FIGC all you want for the downturn of juventus, but blame the Italian Government even more for the misfortunes of Serie A at this point. There's a reason why Italy has been passed over time and again for the European Championships. They are all talk, no action. Not one single stadium outside of Juve's have undergone any serious renovations since WC 1990, and that is disgraceful.

What England had that Italy didn't was a big wakeup call moment in Hillsborough (following on from Heysel and the European ban) that forced them to modernise.

Italy haven't really had a single moment to give them a kick up the arse (Calciopoli is the only thing that could have done it, I suppose) and so they have just carried on in slow decline.

Germany had the World Cup and they based their development on England.

I'm not sure what to say about Spain. I just don't see anything much going on there that is different to Italy. Barca and Real got into marketing and became huge in a way that no Italian teams have and Spanish fans and teams care about the Uefa Cup/Europa League.

Other than that I see a league with loads of debt and that produces one or two decent teams per year outwith Barca and Real.

 

[only-juve]

Juve will restore the pride of this league again. When we were top and dominating this championship, serie A was on the top of Europe and when they screwed us up in 2006 the whole league prestige collapsed.

Call it arrogance or whatever but a strong Juve will influence this league greatly in the coming years (if we stayed top).

 

[Red]

Why would a strong Juve change things if a strong Milan or a strong Inter didn't?

The only thing Juve can do/have done to inspire Serie A to get better is building the new stadium and demonstrate how that has contributed to any success they may have.

 

[Fr3sh]

When I watched the game, I watched it at a pub. And I was watching barca fans celebrating weak goals and milan fans cry. I got drunk and was laughing during the entire game! I wanted both team to just fuck up big time. Barca can't be proud of a victory like this and Peelan trolololololololololololololololololol enough said.

Milan derserves all that shit and more up their asses, the thing I don't like 'bout Barca is the crazy amount of ass-licking they get. Motherfuckers are waack their game is wack, the way they win is wack, the star player is robot and their manager is riding of the crazy talent he's got. This is Barca's best era and it's fading aways quickly....I personally think they're extremely lucky they peaked while we were down, fuckers would've been raped! And next year I pray to God we face them and eliminate them and their filthy nasty ass tiki-taka bullshit.

 

[Salvatore]

Will it be 3 CL spots + 4 EL spots for next season from Italy? It doesn't look like the Coppa final will make a difference on the league standings like last year.

Why would a strong Juve change things if a strong Milan or a strong Inter didn't?

The only thing Juve can do/have done to inspire Serie A to get better is building the new stadium and demonstrate how that has contributed to any success they may have.

Juventus won't change the attitude of clubs that will deliberately field weakened teams in the Europa League so they can focus their squad on the Champions League. Di Natale was still on the bench for Udinese once they made the knockouts. Juve were part of that "I don't care" attitude last season under Delneri anyway, they can share the blame with Lazio or Palermo for not bringing in points.

 

[Red]

I agree.

 

[Fake Melo]

Mind you, Juve had a very bad EL last season, but yet earned 10 coef points. If every Italian team managed to do that, problem would be solved.

 

[Salvatore]

Mind you, Juve had a very bad EL last season, but yet earned 10 coef points. If every Italian team managed to do that, problem would be solved.

It doesn't work like that, the points are based on averages of all the nation's teams in European competition. In the year Juventus got 10 points, the average for Italy was 11.571 and that was behind Portugal, England, Germany and Spain. All but one of England's teams got 15 points or above, for example. The average has to be a lot closer to 20.

 

[only-juve]

Why would a strong Juve change things if a strong Milan or a strong Inter didn't?

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Juventus "always" inspired Italy In the past, both Milan and Inter never really did that. Even the late Gianni Agnelli said it.

Eventually Italian clubs will have to do well in Europa league, but I'm pretty convinced that if we did return to our best in Europe and Italy the level of this league will rise.

 

[Emmet]

The one thing in our favour in terms of becoming strong again and getting into the CL is that our average age is relatively young, when Milan and Inter last won it each team was at their very peak and declined not long after, thus they weren't winning as many matches, at least when we next enter the CL we will be strong year after year, bringing with it more points, but we alone aint going to save Italy.

 

[Gabriel]

Which of course leads people to say: FICG screwed us over, their own fault, why should we care.

All the while forgetting to look at the bigger picture: we're an Italian team, playing in the Italian league. If the league is screwed, we are as well.

Haven't you heard? They say the club should move out to France.


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[JCK]

Fuck barca and all its fanboys and sympathisers.

 

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[Salvatore]

Haven't you heard? They say the club should move out to France.

And not release any players called up for Italy.

 

[JCK]

Alen, fast...I need a comprehensive explanation of how the teams get the points.