Well, Ciro obviously thought Alex is above the team otherwise he wouldnt have started him unfit and out on the left side where he is useless just so he can play.
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[CL] Bordeaux 2-0 Juventus, Nov 25th, 2009 (31 Viewers)
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4-3-1-2, 4-2-3-1, then now some ppl want to back to the old 4-4-2 formation.. Ferrara seems don't have any plan to play his football, the ball movement and our players movement and passing all done without any plan.. Strategy, Tactic, and our play movement on the field depends on what formation we used. And for me Ferrara still unsured about his best formation and panic when the game not work based on his plan..
I also don't know either what the best formation we should use, but Ferrara need to solved this and build a teamwork and game plan based on 1 primary formation..
We actually fit for 4-3-1-2 because we have a lot of CM, but we don't have FB that good both in defense and attack because we need wide to open the space and our MC is more centered on the pitch. Grosso and Zebina is good in attack but horrible in defense, Grygera is the opposite. You can see why Inter success in 4-3-1-2
When we use 4-2-3-1, we don't have a good depth in winger. DP isn't so good play as AM L, Gio also excel in AM C or SS position in Azzurini and Camo our only best winger is already old and can't use his pace excessively through the game.. And we need to have a good defensive FB because our DM C are more central when defend
For 4-4-2 formation, we don't have enough winger in midfield to play this formation although i would say this is the best formation if i look for the Full Back condition.. I will also either waste Diego or our team that have a lot of good CM in Melo, Momo, Marchi, and Poulsen
or do we need to play 4-3-3? i'm not sure about this one too.
I also don't know either what the best formation we should use, but Ferrara need to solved this and build a teamwork and game plan based on 1 primary formation..
We actually fit for 4-3-1-2 because we have a lot of CM, but we don't have FB that good both in defense and attack because we need wide to open the space and our MC is more centered on the pitch. Grosso and Zebina is good in attack but horrible in defense, Grygera is the opposite. You can see why Inter success in 4-3-1-2
When we use 4-2-3-1, we don't have a good depth in winger. DP isn't so good play as AM L, Gio also excel in AM C or SS position in Azzurini and Camo our only best winger is already old and can't use his pace excessively through the game.. And we need to have a good defensive FB because our DM C are more central when defend
For 4-4-2 formation, we don't have enough winger in midfield to play this formation although i would say this is the best formation if i look for the Full Back condition.. I will also either waste Diego or our team that have a lot of good CM in Melo, Momo, Marchi, and Poulsen
or do we need to play 4-3-3? i'm not sure about this one too.
We play very bad against the teams which are playing on counter attacks,Bordeaux is one of these teams despite they score all 3 goals from the breaks against us.
The main thing tonight was that I didn't see recently a team with such desire to win with 2-0 and their team was through even before the game.
The main thing tonight was that I didn't see recently a team with such desire to win with 2-0 and their team was through even before the game.
Play Diego on the right or left (whichever suits him best), but give him freedom to roam.
I guess it would be a 4-3-3/4-3-1-2 depending upon where Diego is on the field. It would give you guys versatility on the counter and in the opponents half. Diego dictating the tactic and play of the game wouldn't be such a bad thing.
Del Piero - Amauri - Diego
Sissoko - Marchisio - Camo
Grosso - Chiellini - Cannavaro - Cacares
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I guess it would be a 4-3-3/4-3-1-2 depending upon where Diego is on the field. It would give you guys versatility on the counter and in the opponents half. Diego dictating the tactic and play of the game wouldn't be such a bad thing.
Del Piero - Amauri - Diego
Sissoko - Marchisio - Camo
Grosso - Chiellini - Cannavaro - Cacares
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We got taught a lesson for the second time by the french, and its tough because the team was playing reasonably well before. So its a real kick in the nuts and a big eye opener about the team.
About Ciro, the starting line up was straight forward except for maybe poulsen. But lets look at from direction. Bench Melo now and you risk him losing confidence, since this is a big game in the CL and he has a good partner next to him in mommo. So its not completely wrong to start him as we all know he has the abilities and its more mental than anything.
The Immobile sub was good imo. We were getting nothing from the flanks. People are mentioning how DP wasn't getting any joy because he isn't a winger. Well camo is a winger and he was getting nowhere. Bordeaux were so quick to press everywhere that it was right to throw another winger but try to go throw the middle more as Amauri was completely isolated between two good CBs. Gio did make a bit of a difference when he came but it wasn't substantial.
DP was started and kept because we needed someone who could hold possession against this highly athletic team. Gio simply doesn't have the intelligence or the technical abilities to slow the pace down and act.
I thought the players are the ones who lost us the game not the coach. So i'll start with Diego. He should start playing much simpler than he is right now because he is overcooking almost every piece of possession he is getting and its pissing me off. That miss from the Alex pass could've change the game for us.
Then its on to Melo. One of the biggest traditional characteristics we had in our team over decades is that its tough mentally. Whatever is going outside doesn't effect the players and they change it by their performances on the field. He needs to get his head straight because these two games he played in the space of a week were even worst than Almiron's few games.
Finally the system. When Trezi was playing a few weeks back, all we've heard is how useless the man is in the system and how doesn't add anything. Well i didn't fault him before and I won't fault Amauri (even though he should've been better positioned on numerous occasions to poach or get on the end of a cross). But nonetheless it keeps or forward isolated at many times. IMO we either change back to the system of two attackers with Diego behind them or use this system with Diego pushed more forward instead of dropping deep to collect the balls. We need him to make more runs forward instead of just sitting outside the box.
About Ciro, the starting line up was straight forward except for maybe poulsen. But lets look at from direction. Bench Melo now and you risk him losing confidence, since this is a big game in the CL and he has a good partner next to him in mommo. So its not completely wrong to start him as we all know he has the abilities and its more mental than anything.
The Immobile sub was good imo. We were getting nothing from the flanks. People are mentioning how DP wasn't getting any joy because he isn't a winger. Well camo is a winger and he was getting nowhere. Bordeaux were so quick to press everywhere that it was right to throw another winger but try to go throw the middle more as Amauri was completely isolated between two good CBs. Gio did make a bit of a difference when he came but it wasn't substantial.
DP was started and kept because we needed someone who could hold possession against this highly athletic team. Gio simply doesn't have the intelligence or the technical abilities to slow the pace down and act.
I thought the players are the ones who lost us the game not the coach. So i'll start with Diego. He should start playing much simpler than he is right now because he is overcooking almost every piece of possession he is getting and its pissing me off. That miss from the Alex pass could've change the game for us.
Then its on to Melo. One of the biggest traditional characteristics we had in our team over decades is that its tough mentally. Whatever is going outside doesn't effect the players and they change it by their performances on the field. He needs to get his head straight because these two games he played in the space of a week were even worst than Almiron's few games.
Finally the system. When Trezi was playing a few weeks back, all we've heard is how useless the man is in the system and how doesn't add anything. Well i didn't fault him before and I won't fault Amauri (even though he should've been better positioned on numerous occasions to poach or get on the end of a cross). But nonetheless it keeps or forward isolated at many times. IMO we either change back to the system of two attackers with Diego behind them or use this system with Diego pushed more forward instead of dropping deep to collect the balls. We need him to make more runs forward instead of just sitting outside the box.
The majority of matches Poulsen has played this season have been crap anyway. One or two games does not change that fact, and could instead be statistical outliers.
I certainly agree that benching Melo before this match would be incredibly bad for his confidence, but perhaps he does need a rest anyway.
I certainly agree that benching Melo before this match would be incredibly bad for his confidence, but perhaps he does need a rest anyway.
I guess that would work, probably becoming the 4-3-1-2 anyway because Diego will come back for the ball. I'm not sure if Bayern will have any of their two terrorists in the squad, but if they have both we might have to tweak that lineup a little and add Poulsen.
And yeah, Buffon probably needs a rest...
And yeah, Buffon probably needs a rest...
taken from the Udinese game-
status quo with our team...
There is NO WAY in holy fucking hell that DP should EVER be played out on the left....this is total STUPIDITY on Zero's part
Not to mention the fact that he continues to play a one striker system with a team that isnt suited for it....you switch the formation to suit the players and not the other fucking way around......4-1-2-1-2 with Momo in front of the defense, Diego behind 2 strikers, and DP up front is his NORMAL position.....anyone with some sense in their heads would agree with this....except for the fact that we have an incompetent coach. A great player, yes, but an inept as hell manager
Amauri proved to everyone again (including Lippi if he was watching) that he is an average striker at best, and needs a second striker in there to take some of the pressure off of him. He cant handle being a lone striker
Melo....what a fucking waste of money...might as well just throw a suitcase full of cash into the Po river and watch it sink to the bottom....you'll get more excitement out of that
The botttom line here is we have rookie Management trying to run a super-professional team with a rookie coach, and when you put that together you get an empty trophy case come May
Europa League, here we come !!!!!
status quo with our team...
There is NO WAY in holy fucking hell that DP should EVER be played out on the left....this is total STUPIDITY on Zero's part
Not to mention the fact that he continues to play a one striker system with a team that isnt suited for it....you switch the formation to suit the players and not the other fucking way around......4-1-2-1-2 with Momo in front of the defense, Diego behind 2 strikers, and DP up front is his NORMAL position.....anyone with some sense in their heads would agree with this....except for the fact that we have an incompetent coach. A great player, yes, but an inept as hell manager
Amauri proved to everyone again (including Lippi if he was watching) that he is an average striker at best, and needs a second striker in there to take some of the pressure off of him. He cant handle being a lone striker
Melo....what a fucking waste of money...might as well just throw a suitcase full of cash into the Po river and watch it sink to the bottom....you'll get more excitement out of that
The botttom line here is we have rookie Management trying to run a super-professional team with a rookie coach, and when you put that together you get an empty trophy case come May
Europa League, here we come !!!!!
I don't think it will work. With Sissoko all alone in midfield Diego will have to come back to get the ball and distribute it. Melo is supposed to be the guy to pass the ball around, but he makes mistakes in our own end with the horrid passes. We keep coming back to this same problem, and it was noticeable yesterday that without someone who can slow the pace of the game down like Rui Costa or Pirlo in front of the defense, we really suffer.
So we can try it but Diego will have to come back for the ball all the time, eliminating him from the scoring areas around the opposition box more often. Maybe if Camo can come more centrally it will take some pressure off Diego.
So we can try it but Diego will have to come back for the ball all the time, eliminating him from the scoring areas around the opposition box more often. Maybe if Camo can come more centrally it will take some pressure off Diego.
No and No. No more 4 4 2.
Lippi used other formations to get to the final. A team can't win a competition with only one. I remember correctly he also use the 4 2 3 1 system that year.
No point because, as you also mention, it will only turn to a 4 3 1 2. DP and Diego can't play the wings.
Why not? We should try this formation. Werder Bremen used this formation and It suited Diego really well.
Lippi used other formations to get to the final. A team can't win a competition with only one. I remember correctly he also use the 4 2 3 1 system that year.
No point because, as you also mention, it will only turn to a 4 3 1 2. DP and Diego can't play the wings.
Why not? We should try this formation. Werder Bremen used this formation and It suited Diego really well.
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