Let's hope that this lose makes us realize many things, and it's a blessing in disguise! where is Hustini?
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[CL] Bordeaux 2-0 Juventus, Nov 25th, 2009 (10 Viewers)
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bang bang, you hit the nail right on the head. Italien teams cannot carry on with this poor style of football, and it only used to be the English teams who killed us, now it seems like everyone can.
And it wasn't long ago people were stating italien football would have renaissance, now it looks like we are in the final stages of the once great empire's demise.
And it wasn't long ago people were stating italien football would have renaissance, now it looks like we are in the final stages of the once great empire's demise.
Very bad and at the same time weird game.
Playing Del Piero as a winger, and then leaving it like that for the whole half?! It was simply painful to watch a 35-year-old DP, just back from injury, struggle on that left side.
Then we played 4-3-1-2 at the start of the second half, where it all looked a bit less off, but the attitude and errors our players were making made sure it couldn't look any better.
Immobile on for Ale, then Gio for Amauri, back to 4-2-3-1.
No matter what we did, we looked bad doing it. I simply don't understand why he would start Del Piero, and especially in that formation. The only formation and setup that's been somewhat successful was the 4-2-3-1 with Gio-Diego-Camo, so we should've went with that from the start. Most of all we should've started with our heads screwed on though, my lord.
Frustrated and disappointed. We better rise to the occasion against Bayern.
Playing Del Piero as a winger, and then leaving it like that for the whole half?! It was simply painful to watch a 35-year-old DP, just back from injury, struggle on that left side.
Then we played 4-3-1-2 at the start of the second half, where it all looked a bit less off, but the attitude and errors our players were making made sure it couldn't look any better.
Immobile on for Ale, then Gio for Amauri, back to 4-2-3-1.
No matter what we did, we looked bad doing it. I simply don't understand why he would start Del Piero, and especially in that formation. The only formation and setup that's been somewhat successful was the 4-2-3-1 with Gio-Diego-Camo, so we should've went with that from the start. Most of all we should've started with our heads screwed on though, my lord.
Frustrated and disappointed. We better rise to the occasion against Bayern.
Deschampes was the best out of the 3, he played CL final with Monaco, enough said! After that our board made mistakes after other, this season we started to bring better players, but the worst thing we did was paying loads of money to get Mello, we could have kept Zanetti instead and we should have spent all that on fullbacks. Don't want to get into these again, but most importantly like you said, our board should have brought a great manager before anyone, hiring Ferrara was a huge mistake, no matter what result he makes in league, I will still like this, even if he wins a scudetto, because it was a risk to bring a manager who never had experience in coaching before, how the hell you give a team like Juve to him?? We have a good squad, we need a little more improvements, but if we don't bring the suitable manager as soon as possible, we are not going anywhere.
Not about Ferrara either. I mean, it is about the coach, but it's more to do with the mentality in Italian football. Like I said many times tonight, the football that was winning everything in the 90's is outdated now.
How many Italian players we have?
The Italian players play that football, which was by far the best and the most modern at certain point, all their lives. It's hard to change their habits.
But we have players that you simply know are capable of playing great for Barca or Arsenal or in any other team that plays modern football.
Even those players are useless for Juve right now.
It's about the mentality AND the coaching. But how can that be changed?
There is no need, at least that's how it looks, to work on anything new when you aren't stimulated to do it at home, in your own league. When the other Italian teams are just as outdated as you are.
When foreign coaches come to Italy, which rarely happens nowdays, they have to adapt to Italian football instead of bringing new things.
The conservatism in Italian football is slowly killing it.
Someone must make the first step and bring new things to Italian football. Will the Italians allow it? Are they even interested to change their habits and the football they traditionally play?
I don't know. But I know that they lost more than one step to some European teams.
How many Italian players we have?
The Italian players play that football, which was by far the best and the most modern at certain point, all their lives. It's hard to change their habits.
But we have players that you simply know are capable of playing great for Barca or Arsenal or in any other team that plays modern football.
Even those players are useless for Juve right now.
It's about the mentality AND the coaching. But how can that be changed?
There is no need, at least that's how it looks, to work on anything new when you aren't stimulated to do it at home, in your own league. When the other Italian teams are just as outdated as you are.
When foreign coaches come to Italy, which rarely happens nowdays, they have to adapt to Italian football instead of bringing new things.
The conservatism in Italian football is slowly killing it.
Someone must make the first step and bring new things to Italian football. Will the Italians allow it? Are they even interested to change their habits and the football they traditionally play?
I don't know. But I know that they lost more than one step to some European teams.
Probably. I agree with you.
The question is, was Deschamps gonna do what he does in Marseille or in Monaco before that. Bring new things.
Were the directors, presidents, club owners and what not allow him to change something? Rarely the coach is allowed in Italy to work on his own. Everyone has an opinion, everyone wants to be involved in the coaching decisions. No wonder so many fights and arguments happen between the coaches and the directors.
The question is, was Deschamps gonna do what he does in Marseille or in Monaco before that. Bring new things.
Were the directors, presidents, club owners and what not allow him to change something? Rarely the coach is allowed in Italy to work on his own. Everyone has an opinion, everyone wants to be involved in the coaching decisions. No wonder so many fights and arguments happen between the coaches and the directors.
last year we didn't impressed too you know..just remember the games with bate 
....70 minutes of struggling with zenit. Beating Real home and away was the cherry of the cake last season, i admit, but they were really poor, i think maccabi would've got a draw with them at home. Anyways inter still has a chance to prove themself, because they will get out of the groups, meelan i donno because i donno the standings there. And about us...what alen posted, we'll get knocked the f*ck up sooner or later (hopefully later).
....70 minutes of struggling with zenit. Beating Real home and away was the cherry of the cake last season, i admit, but they were really poor, i think maccabi would've got a draw with them at home. Anyways inter still has a chance to prove themself, because they will get out of the groups, meelan i donno because i donno the standings there. And about us...what alen posted, we'll get knocked the f*ck up sooner or later (hopefully later).
I'm confident we will progress, but we will fail against the 1st big team we face.
Well said.
Italian football needs a radical change in approach that none of the current ppl in power are willling to initiate. Just look at the NT as an example. It will take further failure for them to realize how outdated their mentality is.
As for a foreign coach, I want 1 who has never coach in Italy either.
Well said.
Italian football needs a radical change in approach that none of the current ppl in power are willling to initiate. Just look at the NT as an example. It will take further failure for them to realize how outdated their mentality is.
As for a foreign coach, I want 1 who has never coach in Italy either.
And then what? any half decent TEAM, will rape the group of players we are going to field. And most of the teams who ranked 1st in their group, are such TEAMS.
Lets hope that Bayern will not only end our misery early, but also teach a lesson to our helm.
We are Juventus and to compete with the best we must try to improve in each and every sector, that includes the defense and the coach, enough with the fullback weaklings and our mid-table managerial mentality!
We need a proper coach and some proper defenders.
However realistically, i believe that the mentality of our helm wont be really affected no matter what, they will always blame our coach or players, like they have done until now and the fans will keep following them like seep...
I dont want to see us destroying Ferrara's managerial carrier permanently, only to get Conte or Zenga... He cant be the ultimate scapegoat, because unlike DD and CR, he wont survive this...
Lets hope that Bayern will not only end our misery early, but also teach a lesson to our helm.
We are Juventus and to compete with the best we must try to improve in each and every sector, that includes the defense and the coach, enough with the fullback weaklings and our mid-table managerial mentality!
We need a proper coach and some proper defenders.
However realistically, i believe that the mentality of our helm wont be really affected no matter what, they will always blame our coach or players, like they have done until now and the fans will keep following them like seep...
I dont want to see us destroying Ferrara's managerial carrier permanently, only to get Conte or Zenga... He cant be the ultimate scapegoat, because unlike DD and CR, he wont survive this...
cronios, alen is right...it's not about the defence...fuck it, i don't care anymore, it's about our attack style. We're so predictable, even i knew where camo or diego will pass. And now compare us with bordeaux, look at how they attacked without their new Zidane. We're hopeless if we won't change our entire approacing of the game, our trainings, our ways of attacking. Look at their defence, i donno nobody from there, and we had 2 wc winners. Oh and we had diego, del piero, camo, giovinco at disposal to attack them..to score at least a goal... that's really embarrasing.
That's the main problem, many great coaches were sacked/left Italy for these reasons, presidents tell the coaches what formation should the team play, or what players they should get, and these are the results. Some managers can accept and work with that, but the 3 managers we got seems none of them can, Deschampes left for that (because he wanted to do it the way he wants), Ranieri sacked and Ferrara will leave soon, at least they should get a coach who knows how to win leagues with the available players. And most importantly, we need a good sportive director who knows what the team or the coach needs exactly..