[CL] Bayern München 0-0 Juventus Sept. 30th 2009 (2 Viewers)
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I think you misunderstood me.
What I meant is that our focus was too defensive and if we lost the ball during an attack, we wouldn't put too much pressure to keep the possesion in the opponents area and get it back. What we would do was immediately run back to our area right away to defend.
Building on Ferrara's statement to run more risk, I think we need to conserve our energy for attacking and not run back too much because like you said, Ahmed, when it was time to attack we wouldnt' have enough energy to completely pour the pressure on our opponents.
What I meant is that our focus was too defensive and if we lost the ball during an attack, we wouldn't put too much pressure to keep the possesion in the opponents area and get it back. What we would do was immediately run back to our area right away to defend.
Building on Ferrara's statement to run more risk, I think we need to conserve our energy for attacking and not run back too much because like you said, Ahmed, when it was time to attack we wouldnt' have enough energy to completely pour the pressure on our opponents.
1. I think Grygera was a "safer" bet. True that Zebina would've been able to attack more, but with his temper, I would say it's a 50%-50% chance he could get sent-off guarding "scarface" Ribery.
2. I'd be unsure about who to chose, for me Iaq and Trez are on par. They did deserve to start, however, it's a coin toss to decide who gets replaced.
3. True, we were already being beaten with the long ball game. If DP had played, it could've changed the game to playing the ball to feet.
One question I have over Ferrara was why introduce Poulsen for Diego? I felt this was a step backwards. DP could've replaced Diego in my opinion.
2. I'd be unsure about who to chose, for me Iaq and Trez are on par. They did deserve to start, however, it's a coin toss to decide who gets replaced.
3. True, we were already being beaten with the long ball game. If DP had played, it could've changed the game to playing the ball to feet.
One question I have over Ferrara was why introduce Poulsen for Diego? I felt this was a step backwards. DP could've replaced Diego in my opinion.
Poulsen for Diego actually made sense IMO. Diego is still struggling for fitness and Ferrara fielded a pretty attacking lineup, with both Diego and Camo. Replacing Diego with Poulsen gave us more running power which was needed at that time and more freedom to Camo. If he brought on Ale for Diego, that would have been to risky in a game like that. Ale should have been brought on for Iaquinta.
Good result. Pretty decent game by us. Of course, Bayern gave us some troubles at times, but that is inevitable if you ask me.
Still, we're going to have an incredibly difficult time to make it out of this group...
Buffon 6 - Did what he had to do, which was not that much to be honest.
Grygera 6,5 - Difficult start, which is perfectly understandable when you know who he was up against, but he held his own. Got better as the game progressed. Quiet in attack but I'm okay with that.
Legrottaglie 7 - Really good with some nice tackles and interceptions. Showed us that we can still count on him.
Chiellini 7 - Complemented Legro really well yesterday. Good game.
Grosso 6,5 - Comparable performance to Grygera if you ask me. Tries to attack more often, but his decision making is rather poor when doing so.
Camoranesi 6,5 - One of his better games of late. Some nice stuff going forward and he didn't "forget" his defensive duties.
Melo 6,5 - One of the weaker players on the pitch in the first half, excellent in the 2nd.
Marchisio 6 - Very slow start to the game, but he gradually improved. Probably the hardest worker on the pitch (from both sides), the distance he ran is dazzling.
Diego 6 - You can't fault his hard work (that crucial tackle was incredible), but he was mediocre at best when it came to creating & setting up attacks.
Iaquinta 5 - Not his game. Bad touches, unlucky moments, pretty selfish (should have left the ball to Trez at least once). Should have been taken out instead of Trez.
Trezeguet 6 - Hard working, some nice plays. Felt like he could have scored with a little luck / a better Iaquinta.
Poulsen 6 - Did well.
Amauri - Not on the pitch long enough to say something.
Tiago -
Still, we're going to have an incredibly difficult time to make it out of this group...
Buffon 6 - Did what he had to do, which was not that much to be honest.
Grygera 6,5 - Difficult start, which is perfectly understandable when you know who he was up against, but he held his own. Got better as the game progressed. Quiet in attack but I'm okay with that.
Legrottaglie 7 - Really good with some nice tackles and interceptions. Showed us that we can still count on him.
Chiellini 7 - Complemented Legro really well yesterday. Good game.
Grosso 6,5 - Comparable performance to Grygera if you ask me. Tries to attack more often, but his decision making is rather poor when doing so.
Camoranesi 6,5 - One of his better games of late. Some nice stuff going forward and he didn't "forget" his defensive duties.
Melo 6,5 - One of the weaker players on the pitch in the first half, excellent in the 2nd.
Marchisio 6 - Very slow start to the game, but he gradually improved. Probably the hardest worker on the pitch (from both sides), the distance he ran is dazzling.
Diego 6 - You can't fault his hard work (that crucial tackle was incredible), but he was mediocre at best when it came to creating & setting up attacks.
Iaquinta 5 - Not his game. Bad touches, unlucky moments, pretty selfish (should have left the ball to Trez at least once). Should have been taken out instead of Trez.
Trezeguet 6 - Hard working, some nice plays. Felt like he could have scored with a little luck / a better Iaquinta.
Poulsen 6 - Did well.
Amauri - Not on the pitch long enough to say something.
Tiago -
I watched the match delayed but only managed to catch the 2nd half (which from what I read here was better than the first so I guess I saved myself). But I must say, when I was reading yesterday, I thought we got trampled but I didnt think so when I was watching it.
It was a good result with an average performance coz that was a really winable game given the situation that arose in the 2nd half with the tempo dropping and Bayerns dangermen not really creating much.
The guys that impressed me were definately Camo and Melo. You hardly see Camo put in such a heavy shift of work but he did that yestreday and also tried his best going foward when the opportunity arose
This might sound like a shit question but would a team as "big" as Juve rather finish 3rd or 4th in the group in the event of failure to qualify. Ive met some folk that feel that its too embarassing playing in the Europa League via this method. what you guys think? Hopefully, this remains just hypothetical
It was a good result with an average performance coz that was a really winable game given the situation that arose in the 2nd half with the tempo dropping and Bayerns dangermen not really creating much.
The guys that impressed me were definately Camo and Melo. You hardly see Camo put in such a heavy shift of work but he did that yestreday and also tried his best going foward when the opportunity arose
This might sound like a shit question but would a team as "big" as Juve rather finish 3rd or 4th in the group in the event of failure to qualify. Ive met some folk that feel that its too embarassing playing in the Europa League via this method. what you guys think? Hopefully, this remains just hypothetical
Ribery was very frightening
We have to strengthen our defensive area altough they did pretty well clearing all Bayern`s attacks at the final ball I think our team should act better as a unit in terms of defence as I don`t think Bayern could trouble Inter in the same way they troubled us
Bayern played better than us for the entire game and altough they are on home turf I didn`t expect it to be that way
our attacking aspect is quite good altough our strikers finishing could be better Iaquinta did well in shooting while he turned to send it near the post but beside that his amount of chances is five times the amount he scores (not this game specificly)
I was very satisfied from Trez`s contribution in the 1st half but he dissapeared in the 2nd even if he probably would have scored should Iaquinta left the ball to him when he robbed Van Buyten in the Bayern area (Iaquinta pushed him actually...)
I think this match was lacking DP and DP could have made a difference with his dribbling and shots outside the area.
Ciro wasn`t wrong in replacing Diego as Diego wasn`t 100% and couldn`t play the whole match+ he saw that Bayern trouble us too much and a defensive midfielder like Poulsen did help out to calmer the attacks.
as for the table we must win our next 2 matches against Haifa and hope Bordeaux and Bayern don`t win a game each (I rather see Bayern beat Bordeaux twice)
If Bayern beat Bordeaux twice it will look like this (considering we win twice)
Bayern 10
Juve 8
Bordeaux 4
Haifa 0
which means anything but a Bodeaux win against us means we qualify+ Bayern already qualifies which mean even if we lose to Bordeaux the table would look like this
Bayern qualified 10 11 or 13 pts
Juve 8
Bordeaux 7
Haifa 0 1 3 pts
and then we face a relaxed Bayern that already qualified and if they get the 13 points then they qualify with 1st place and maybe even field 2nd team against us
so we should concentrate on beating Haifa twice and hope that the best case Bayern double win happen
We have to strengthen our defensive area altough they did pretty well clearing all Bayern`s attacks at the final ball I think our team should act better as a unit in terms of defence as I don`t think Bayern could trouble Inter in the same way they troubled us
Bayern played better than us for the entire game and altough they are on home turf I didn`t expect it to be that way
our attacking aspect is quite good altough our strikers finishing could be better Iaquinta did well in shooting while he turned to send it near the post but beside that his amount of chances is five times the amount he scores (not this game specificly)
I was very satisfied from Trez`s contribution in the 1st half but he dissapeared in the 2nd even if he probably would have scored should Iaquinta left the ball to him when he robbed Van Buyten in the Bayern area (Iaquinta pushed him actually...)
I think this match was lacking DP and DP could have made a difference with his dribbling and shots outside the area.
Ciro wasn`t wrong in replacing Diego as Diego wasn`t 100% and couldn`t play the whole match+ he saw that Bayern trouble us too much and a defensive midfielder like Poulsen did help out to calmer the attacks.
as for the table we must win our next 2 matches against Haifa and hope Bordeaux and Bayern don`t win a game each (I rather see Bayern beat Bordeaux twice)
If Bayern beat Bordeaux twice it will look like this (considering we win twice)
Bayern 10
Juve 8
Bordeaux 4
Haifa 0
which means anything but a Bodeaux win against us means we qualify+ Bayern already qualifies which mean even if we lose to Bordeaux the table would look like this
Bayern qualified 10 11 or 13 pts
Juve 8
Bordeaux 7
Haifa 0 1 3 pts
and then we face a relaxed Bayern that already qualified and if they get the 13 points then they qualify with 1st place and maybe even field 2nd team against us
so we should concentrate on beating Haifa twice and hope that the best case Bayern double win happen
He was brought on for 1 thing only: to kill the game so we could finish it without creating much, but also without giving away much. That is what he did, so I think he did well.
It sure is a sight to behold, even more so in glorious high definition ...
Personally I have only 1 big regret. Around halfway through the 2nd half Iaquinta pressured Van Buyten & managed to win the ball from him. Trez came storming at the ball and ended up in a great position to take this chance, yet Iaquinta (from a much worse position) decided to go for it himself. That moment really could have changed the game...
It sure is a sight to behold, even more so in glorious high definition ...
Personally I have only 1 big regret. Around halfway through the 2nd half Iaquinta pressured Van Buyten & managed to win the ball from him. Trez came storming at the ball and ended up in a great position to take this chance, yet Iaquinta (from a much worse position) decided to go for it himself. That moment really could have changed the game...
I know its good to be confident in our team and all, but I wouldn't rest easy. We thought we had an easy 6 from BATE last season, it took a Del wonder goal to beat them 1st time round and a point in the 2nd leg (granted, Gio skied a penalty).
Hopefully come MH games, Del-Diego are back to full fitness as well as had a lot of playing time to gel.
Hopefully come MH games, Del-Diego are back to full fitness as well as had a lot of playing time to gel.
The thing that really pisses me off is the fact everybody knew that Ribery + Robben would cause us trouble. What do we do? We invite them in instead of altering the formation & playing 4-4-2. We easily neutralised them in the second half when Poulsen came in. We should have started with a 4-4-2 & then get DP in in the second half.