[CL] Atletico Madrid 1-0 JUVENTUS (October 1st 2014) (7 Viewers)

[Red]

@Red can we agree Tevez , Vidal and Pogba could have done more ?

I found them very wastefull with controlls and passing

Yeah, I said as much in my first post with my general overview of the match.

 

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[Tevez10]

Do you even realize where you're posting?

Why what's wrong with my post? Some were praising us for having 60% of ball possession, I just wanted to prove that Atleti don't care about making stupid passes like between defenders.

 

[Mus™]

Allegri picking evra in these games at left wing back over Asamoah purely (IMO) because it gives him the option to change to a flat back 4 if necessary is inexcusable.
It makes no other sense for him to be pushing Asa out of his regular spot.

How about experience?

 

[JCK]

Yeah, in retrospect, this may have been a game where Juve would have been better off playing Llorente and Tevez right up against the opposition defence in the way they did last season.

Even if it still would have been hard for the forwards to do much, playing against two genuine strikers could have pulled Atletico's defence narrower, which might have opened some space out wide.

I'll be interested to see what Juve come up with in the second game against Atletico. Real Madrid and Barca have had umpteen goes at figuring out how to beat Atletico and they still haven't been able to come up with a plan that consistently works.

Allegri, over the course of a few games against Barca when at Milan, gradually crafted an excellent plan of how to stop them and that has become the blueprint for everyone to follow.

Atletico are clearly at the opposite end of the spectrum from Barca when it comes to tactics, but I'd expect Allegri figure out a way to be more penetrating in the second game.

I think I'd be targetting the space behind Ansaldi. I'd like to see Juve trying some of the classic diagonal balls over the top for Lichtsteiner to burst on to.

Getting players moving at pace from deep is always what I want to see when trying to break through a tough defence.

Even if all you do is scare Atletico into adjusting to block that, it might take a man out of the middle of the pitch and give Juve the chance to penetrate somewhere else.

Well the 4-3-1-2 that we played for a hefty 3 minutes gave Juve the most dangerous chance with Pereyra taking on Ansaldi and serving Lichtsteiner a ball on a golden platter. It worked and I did not understand the need to bring in Morata for Vidal, I would have brought him in for Tevez.

 

[HAZEM]

tbh i have a good feeling we will do better at our home.. we just need to focus they aren't that great upfront they just like viper waits for slip and will bite you. they held their ground against world class attacking teams like madrid barca and cheslea and they murdered them with this method.. they are very organized at defense you have to give them the credit for that. and on the other hand you have chiellini and bonucci who are very sluggish and sloppy this season... we need asamoah and vidal back to his form and we will be good.

 

[Mus™]

Why what's wrong with my post? Some were praising us for having 60% of ball possession, I just wanted to prove that Atleti don't care about making stupid passes like between defenders.

That's why you keep the ball between your defenders and force them out because if it ends 0-0 they are at the bottom of the table, 3 points behind us and 2 behind the other teams, you want to force them to make mistakes not the other way round

 

[JCK]

So then why didn't we force them to be more adventurous? They needed the points..

Force them to be more adventurous? It was their choice to take this approach, they took a gamble and it worked for them, they needed this one chance only.

 

[GrandeGigi]

How about experience?

Other than experience I should've stated. I feel Asa makes up for that in physical conditioning, hunger and the fact he has played left wing back for a few years now.

 

[Stu]

So then why didn't we force them to be more adventurous? They needed the points..

How can we force them to be more adventurous? One of the main strengths of our 3-5-2 is keeping possession and Allegri seemed to think that would be enough to earn a point. The only other alternative would've been to try more risky passes and therefore allow Atleti to have more of the ball but that would've been risky imo. They had one spell of sustained possession early in the second half and looked dangerous with their crosses. Having to defend against that for longer than necessary might not have been good.

 

[samfisher5]

I didn't watch the game(only highlights), but totally expected this result and performance. We are just the biggest chokers in Europe, when there is a big game in the CL for us, we are always too timid and respectful of our opponents, we play it too safe and usually end up losing. We desperately need a big win in Europe to boost our confidence and this one was a perfect opportunity, as ATM were under a lot of pressure, but we choked again.

 

[Red]

Well the 4-3-1-2 that we played for a hefty 3 minutes gave Juve the most dangerous chance with Pereyra taking on Ansaldi and serving Lichtsteiner a ball on a golden platter. It worked and I did not understand the need to bring in Morata for Vidal, I would have brought him in for Tevez.

Agreed.

Tevez was doing nothing and taking off a midfielder made it harder for Juve to build attacks.

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I didn't watch the game...

So what qualifies you to comment?

 

[Stu]

Well the 4-3-1-2 that we played for a hefty 3 minutes gave Juve the most dangerous chance with Pereyra taking on Ansaldi and serving Lichtsteiner a ball on a golden platter. It worked and I did not understand the need to bring in Morata for Vidal, I would have brought him in for Tevez.

Agreed about the Morata sub. We looked dangerous when we switched to 4-3-1-2, then we took out Vidal for Morata and the team lost balance. After that we struggled to build the play out of the back.

Although Marchisio has been great so far this season and had another strong game tonight I think Pirlo will be a good weapon for us in the second game.

 

[Alen]

I won't expect this much from the second game in round 6. One of the teams will probably qualify by then, and the potential to be suspended in the knockouts might make that match less aggressive.
We need to beat Olympiacos on h2h. That's the ticket to the knockouts. Beat Malmo away too, of course.

 

[Mus™]

Force them to be more adventurous? It was their choice to take this approach, they took a gamble and it worked for them, they needed this one chance only.

We let them dictate how the game was played and let them be comfortable in the style that they have played for over a year and train in which was the mistake, they didn't look uncomfortable at all and always seemed to know they would win because of pur naivety

 

[samfisher5]

So what qualifies you to comment?

I watched highlights, we didn't have a single goal opportunity.

 

[Red]

I won't expect this much from the second game in round 6. One of the teams will probably qualify by then, and the potential to be suspended in the knockouts might make that match less aggressive.
We need to beat Olympiacos on h2h. That's the ticket to the knockouts. Beat Malmo away too, of course.

You don't think there is an good chance Juve-Atletico will decide who finishes top of the group?

Would that motivate the teams enough to play another game like tonight?

 

[Stu]

We let them dictate how the game was played and let them be comfortable in the style that they have played for over a year and train in which was the mistake, they didn't look uncomfortable at all and always seemed to know they would win because of pur naivety

They allowed us to control possession and picked their moments to counter and put pressure on down the wings with crosses and through set pieces. How exactly are you supposed to stop a team from allowing you most of the possession? I suggested we could have tried more risky passes but in the end all that does is give Atleti more opportunities to counter attack.

 

[Alen]

We let them dictate how the game was played and let them be comfortable in the style that they have played for over a year and train in which was the mistake, they didn't look uncomfortable at all and always seemed to know they would win because of pur naivety

They are used to defend in their half and counter attack. That makes them be comfortable, indeed. But what would have made them uncomfortable? If we sat back and countered them?

 

[Mus™]

They allowed us to control possession and picked their moments to counter and put pressure on down the wings with crosses and through set pieces. How exactly are you supposed to stop a team from allowing you most of the possession? I suggested we could have tried more risky passes but in the end all that does is give Atleti more opportunities to counter attack.

Keep the ball, don't try and attack so much as we did, almost every time we turned the ball over it was from rushed passes forward, breaking down the game on our part instead of getting frustrated at them breaking down the game, play their own medicine and frustrate them, we played like we would be eliminated if we lost and let them get into our heads

 

[JCK]

We let them dictate how the game was played and let them be comfortable in the style that they have played for over a year and train in which was the mistake, they didn't look uncomfortable at all and always seemed to know they would win because of pur naivety

So what do you suggest? Give them possession and let them cross the ball endlessly? Because when they did, I counted 7 crosses in the span of 4 minutes at the start of the second half. Had we allowed that to happen more they would have scored much earlier. Instead we went back to keeping the ball and playing our game, it's just sad that we had three inefficient players. And not any three, our most influential three.