If he really cares then he should pack his bags and leave so someone else can solve this situation cuz obviously he's not capable of doing it himself. No point in him trying to do it himself.
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Did you read my post? Didnt i just explain that he is not leaving cause the board hasnt found a proper coach who would come in. Obviously Ciro is not gona leave cause he knows that he wont be replaced by a wc coach like Hiddink but rather Blancs next door neighbor.
Ciro knows that there is no point leaving when there is not any significant alternative. Its up to the board to act, whats the point of the board in the end. Ciro is just a football coach, board can decide what they want to do. Ciro has probably been told that they (board) havent found any better coach so its better if you stick around or god knows what happens. And now Ciro is becoming the scapegoat. When in the end its the board who is deciding who coaches Juventus fc.
Ciro knows that there is no point leaving when there is not any significant alternative. Its up to the board to act, whats the point of the board in the end. Ciro is just a football coach, board can decide what they want to do. Ciro has probably been told that they (board) havent found any better coach so its better if you stick around or god knows what happens. And now Ciro is becoming the scapegoat. When in the end its the board who is deciding who coaches Juventus fc.
Ciro is interested in Ciro's career as a manager, first and foremost. Its extremely unlikely that Ciro has been told that they can't find a better coach. Unlikely because it would be a blatant lie, which any able minded man would see straight through, and either assume the board were totally incompetent, or lining up someone to replace him whilst keeping him sweet, for the good of the team...thats the operative statement here...for the good of the team. Ciro is not focused on that ideal. He puts himself before the team. He fails to inspire respect from his players. He fails to organize, to train, to motivate. We are in our worst run of form for many years, and whilst the board can definitely be blamed for risking Ciro, its ridiculous to believe now, after these last few months of total failure, that Ciro is merely a scapegoat. If Blanc trains, coaches, motivates, selects...OK, its ALL his fault. But this it not the case...Ciro looks CLUELESS on the sidelines. And my only mildly positive feeling for him is pity.
I think the team played today "alright". We tried not to concede but we did. We created a number of chances against a team that was staying at their area for most of the game. We scored a goal that was barely offside, besides the other goal we scored.
Its far from Juventus quality, but it is better than most of what we have seen in the past 2 months. In the past 3 games we have played alright or more in two of them. Too bad we lost two and won only one. In the past 3 games we scored 4 goals and conceded 3. Thats far from ideal.
I think we are starting to see some of Bettega's touches on the team. The team needs Bettega's experience alot.
In todays match (I am in Canada so its still today
), Ferrara played a balanced formation with decent movements between the players, although I disagree with the way he utilized his bench and how he subbed players. Personally for an example, I would have taken Amauri out earlier, may be would have kept Del Piero after Buffon's red card to hold defenders back to avoid what happened in the last 15 min.
Its far from Juventus quality, but it is better than most of what we have seen in the past 2 months. In the past 3 games we have played alright or more in two of them. Too bad we lost two and won only one. In the past 3 games we scored 4 goals and conceded 3. Thats far from ideal.
I think we are starting to see some of Bettega's touches on the team. The team needs Bettega's experience alot.
In todays match (I am in Canada so its still today
), Ferrara played a balanced formation with decent movements between the players, although I disagree with the way he utilized his bench and how he subbed players. Personally for an example, I would have taken Amauri out earlier, may be would have kept Del Piero after Buffon's red card to hold defenders back to avoid what happened in the last 15 min.
You have no right to spout such rubbish. It's much more detrimental to his career to continue on this path of poor results. He could have resigned before, letting the club deal with it's own problems, but no, he's apparently tried to stick with it. That shows courage. While you may interpret it as acting in self interest, the more plausible scenario considering his history is that he does care about the club, which is why he's trying to guide the team through this poor spell. Whether that is best for the club isn't his decision, but rather the directors'. So get that straight first and foremost.
Secondly, Ferrara has stated to the media that if the directors believe he is the problem, then they should handle the situation. But they have not. That's not Ciro's fault, it's the board.
This utter nonsense about blaming Ferrara for accepting the job and then not giving it up needs to stop because it's tiring and foolish. The man has always shown the utmost respect for Juve even in spite of his poor coaching ability, so folks need to channel their anger a bit more correctly.
Secondly, Ferrara has stated to the media that if the directors believe he is the problem, then they should handle the situation. But they have not. That's not Ciro's fault, it's the board.
This utter nonsense about blaming Ferrara for accepting the job and then not giving it up needs to stop because it's tiring and foolish. The man has always shown the utmost respect for Juve even in spite of his poor coaching ability, so folks need to channel their anger a bit more correctly.
I understand where you're coming from, but Ciro shouldn't be expected to resign. The man bleeds black and white, and he doesn't want his legacy to include quitting on his beloved team (If sentimentality permits, nor do I). Quitting would say more about his character than this abominable losing streak ever could.
The fact that he's still bumbling and stumbling to manage our beloved club has become the boards fault, pure and simple. He wasn't ready to take the reigns of such an important club, it should be obvious to all by now, and god love him, the time to sack Ciro is well past due.
For me, this is all on the directors. It's their JOB to hire and fire coaches... and at this point, that responsibility needs to fall on their shoulders.
Frankly, now that Bettega is back and there's at least one competent director, it's time for some fucking heads to roll. Secco has had a fair chance, and while Blanc may be adept at helping balance the books, he seems pretty unqualified in every other department.
We need some experienced leaders at the top, men who know how to formulate a legitimate game plan - for now, and the future. The time for over reliance on the old guard, the times when the incompetence of our current directors' could be masked by the quality of the old guard, has passed.
IMO, Ciro and Secco should be out ASAP, and Blanc's performance should be under serious review this summer (I'd like to see him go, but I don't have all of the necessary details to give a truly fair assessment of his specific body of work... I feel informed enough to comment on Ciro and Secco, though).
Edit: Dammit Andy... I'm too slow. Nice post.
The fact that he's still bumbling and stumbling to manage our beloved club has become the boards fault, pure and simple. He wasn't ready to take the reigns of such an important club, it should be obvious to all by now, and god love him, the time to sack Ciro is well past due.
For me, this is all on the directors. It's their JOB to hire and fire coaches... and at this point, that responsibility needs to fall on their shoulders.
Frankly, now that Bettega is back and there's at least one competent director, it's time for some fucking heads to roll. Secco has had a fair chance, and while Blanc may be adept at helping balance the books, he seems pretty unqualified in every other department.
We need some experienced leaders at the top, men who know how to formulate a legitimate game plan - for now, and the future. The time for over reliance on the old guard, the times when the incompetence of our current directors' could be masked by the quality of the old guard, has passed.
IMO, Ciro and Secco should be out ASAP, and Blanc's performance should be under serious review this summer (I'd like to see him go, but I don't have all of the necessary details to give a truly fair assessment of his specific body of work... I feel informed enough to comment on Ciro and Secco, though).
Edit: Dammit Andy... I'm too slow. Nice post.
So Ciro not resigning is the Board's fault?
Andy you need to take off your Ciro Is a Juventus Legend hat.No one here will question his status as one of the club's greatest ever players.But saying that he has courage at this point in time is stupid.The man was a fantastic player,but he sucks as a Manager.Even worse than Ranieri.You can blame the board for not firing him,but that doesnt make Ciro innocent for not resigning himself.Him sticking with the job does not by ANY means,show courage.
Other managers could come in,and if they get the same results and refuse to resign,no one here will call their decisions courageous.But because Ciro is a Juventus legend,people will automatically call his decision to stick to the job courageous.
He deserves tons of respect as a Player.But he doesn't deserve any as a manager.And what he should be judged now is his ability and performance as a manager.Ciro the player,is completely irrelevant at this point time.But sadly,whatever soft corners he gets from Juventus fans right now is because of his status as a Juventus player,which is plain wrong.
Andy you need to take off your Ciro Is a Juventus Legend hat.No one here will question his status as one of the club's greatest ever players.But saying that he has courage at this point in time is stupid.The man was a fantastic player,but he sucks as a Manager.Even worse than Ranieri.You can blame the board for not firing him,but that doesnt make Ciro innocent for not resigning himself.Him sticking with the job does not by ANY means,show courage.
Other managers could come in,and if they get the same results and refuse to resign,no one here will call their decisions courageous.But because Ciro is a Juventus legend,people will automatically call his decision to stick to the job courageous.
He deserves tons of respect as a Player.But he doesn't deserve any as a manager.And what he should be judged now is his ability and performance as a manager.Ciro the player,is completely irrelevant at this point time.But sadly,whatever soft corners he gets from Juventus fans right now is because of his status as a Juventus player,which is plain wrong.
Yes it does, actually. It shows courage because every other little voice like your's out there keeps harping away, making the spotlight on him grow. If he stays at the club and the results remain poor, it will be far more detrimental to him than just quitting while "ahead". The longer this continues, the longer he jeopardizes his own career. If he really did care about himself more than Juve, he would have resigned a while ago leaving us naked in the wind because even he could probably see things were unstable. So no, the argument of "Ciro only cares about himself" isn't valid here. That was the original point I responded to.
And again, blast Ciro all you want for not resigning, but the responsibility is the board's to hire and fire people. Such silly stuff, listening to people complain that someone who was given a job accepted it, then didn't give it up. Never have I come across a more silly gripe than that on this forum, as if it's Ciro's duty to preside over the board's own decisions.
And again, blast Ciro all you want for not resigning, but the responsibility is the board's to hire and fire people. Such silly stuff, listening to people complain that someone who was given a job accepted it, then didn't give it up. Never have I come across a more silly gripe than that on this forum, as if it's Ciro's duty to preside over the board's own decisions.
Please explain to me, whats the job of our managers ?! Isn't it hiring and firing our coaches when things goes wrong !!
Ferrara is absalutely not to be blamed for staying in this job. Its pretty clear that he easilly would accept the decision of our managers if they want him to resign (he even mentioned that before).
Our management clearlly tried to get hiddink (he's agent confirmed that) but we couldn't afford he's salary "fact". They have no other options but to stick with Ferrara till the end of the season and pray that we'll snatch that 4th spot if its possible.
Ferrara is facing all the blame by himself its just not fair. By the way am not a ferrara fan and never was but the guy is atleast braver than all of our Board + managers who still refuse to come out and say anything to fans and media because they have "no balls" to do that.
Has the boat sunk yet? Which round is Rocky in now, and is he still being pummelled by Drago? Seriously, Ciro needs to leave and take that incompetent board with him.
This is the worst Juve in over 2 decades, and it is painfully obvious that while Ciro is being made the scapegoat, he is a clueless coach with limited tactical knowledge. He plays disgusting formations, fields players out of position, and insists on fielding garbage like Grosso game in, game out! Surely, he has to take some of the blame! As for the rest of the blame, it lies squarely at the feet of the board. Those incompetent morons must resign, and hand over the club to someone who understands football, loves the team, and actually gives a fuck!
10 losses so far! How many more games before the win-loss column evens out?
This is the worst Juve in over 2 decades, and it is painfully obvious that while Ciro is being made the scapegoat, he is a clueless coach with limited tactical knowledge. He plays disgusting formations, fields players out of position, and insists on fielding garbage like Grosso game in, game out! Surely, he has to take some of the blame! As for the rest of the blame, it lies squarely at the feet of the board. Those incompetent morons must resign, and hand over the club to someone who understands football, loves the team, and actually gives a fuck!
10 losses so far! How many more games before the win-loss column evens out?
Yes it does, actually. It shows courage because every other little voice like your's out there keeps harping away, making the spotlight on him grow. If he stays at the club and the results remain poor, it will be far more detrimental to him than just quitting while "ahead". The longer this continues, the longer he jeopardizes his own career. If he really did care about himself more than Juve, he would have resigned a while ago leaving us naked in the wind because even he could probably see things were unstable. So no, the argument of "Ciro only cares about himself" isn't valid here. That was the original point I responded to.
And again, blast Ciro all you want for not resigning, but the responsibility is the board's to hire and fire people. Such silly stuff, listening to people complain that someone who was given a job accepted it, then didn't give it up. Never have I come across a more silly gripe than that on this forum, as if it's Ciro's duty to preside over the board's own decisions.
And again, blast Ciro all you want for not resigning, but the responsibility is the board's to hire and fire people. Such silly stuff, listening to people complain that someone who was given a job accepted it, then didn't give it up. Never have I come across a more silly gripe than that on this forum, as if it's Ciro's duty to preside over the board's own decisions.
Again,you guys need to get judge Ciro as a coach alone,and ignore your sympathies for him as a player.You will call him courageous for not stepping down,but if any other coach comes in,has a long line of pathetic results,and refuses to resign,you will castigate him.But over here you're defending his 'courage'.
The board is to blamed for not firing him.That isnt even up for question.But don't make Ferrara look like someone who doesnt have to take blame for his decision to carry on to.He is being silly,since it's effecting his own career,and the team too.Courage has got to be the most laughable word used to describe his decision to carry on.
But hey,since Ferrara is being so courageous,i suppose the board is being even MORE courageous by not firing him
