Ciro Ferrara (35 Viewers)
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well said Andy,what people need to realise is that absolutely nobody here is defending his success rate,simply that he came in and tried something new. it did not work,he is a little out of his depth and should be replaced.
there is always the chance for Ciro to go and lean his trade elsewhere and then come back home to the club he loves,more experienced,more confident and hopefully,with a competent board behind him....something he lacks right now
there is always the chance for Ciro to go and lean his trade elsewhere and then come back home to the club he loves,more experienced,more confident and hopefully,with a competent board behind him....something he lacks right now
true....we do need a coach taht can win,even betetr if we can get a coach taht plays modern tactics and still wins
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fuck all the goldfish who are insulting an absolute legend,a symbol of this club for many years,someone who has the passion and love that we all feel for this great club. yes he is the wrong choice at this time,but the board are far more culpable than Ciro and though the form of our team has been shocking Ciro Ferrara demands your respect,even if w do all agree that he needs to be replaced
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fuck all the goldfish who are insulting an absolute legend,a symbol of this club for many years,someone who has the passion and love that we all feel for this great club. yes he is the wrong choice at this time,but the board are far more culpable than Ciro and though the form of our team has been shocking Ciro Ferrara demands your respect,even if w do all agree that he needs to be replaced
One great thinker once said, Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new. And another stated that Success seems to be connected with action. Successful people keep moving. They make mistakes, but they don't quit.
The reason every man worth his brain wanted Ranieri out is simple. He had coached the team for 2 years and he had done well in his first year, I would give him that. But in the second he showed qualities that would have cost us very dearly in the future, the main being his Narrow-mindedness. He showed that he was very unwilling to try new options, both tactically and players (especially the youth).
Ferrara at the moment is going through a phase where he must make mistakes if he is to succeed. By trail-and-error he would know better the player's qualities, tactical options he may employ and ones he would avoid.
I hate our performances as of late but I wouldn't call the board's trust of Ciro to pull through mindless at all. He is making mistakes on the field and he will eventually learn from them. It is the price to pay for potential. And I'd rather have Ciro pull through this rather than see Guus replace him, despite the fact that Guss might give us more immediate results. The bond Ciro can form (or already formed) with the team is one that money can't buy and key to seeing Juve back to the glory days. And after all, the board is supporting him and the team too is on his side. The only ones that want him out are the Italian Media and us fans. The former make a fuss out of everything and the majority of the latter aren't that bright if I have to be brutally honest.
But the biggest mistake he could make, one that would be etched in stone, is if he doesn't learn from the messes we do in the field. But only a narrow-minded fool or a complete idiot would fail to learn from his mistakes but I am certain that Ciro is no idiot.
Got doubts? Just remember that already he has achieved more than all the users in this forum put together. He is not an idiot.
Edit: And I forgot to mention that above all, I would be proud of the black and white more than ever in the future if I would be able to state that 'I support a Juventus that has a board that loves its team, a coach that is a Juventus Legend of the past and a team that hungers for a win' rather than say that ' I support a Juventus that has some Arab oil tycoon as a president, a coach that doesn't give a shit about the team but only personal achievements (Moronhio *cough*) and consists of a bunch of mercenaries that have a talent in football but would without any thoughts move to another team if a larger wage is given." I want Juventus, not a new Real Madrid, or a Manchester City or ANYTHING resembling Inter.
The reason every man worth his brain wanted Ranieri out is simple. He had coached the team for 2 years and he had done well in his first year, I would give him that. But in the second he showed qualities that would have cost us very dearly in the future, the main being his Narrow-mindedness. He showed that he was very unwilling to try new options, both tactically and players (especially the youth).
Ferrara at the moment is going through a phase where he must make mistakes if he is to succeed. By trail-and-error he would know better the player's qualities, tactical options he may employ and ones he would avoid.
I hate our performances as of late but I wouldn't call the board's trust of Ciro to pull through mindless at all. He is making mistakes on the field and he will eventually learn from them. It is the price to pay for potential. And I'd rather have Ciro pull through this rather than see Guus replace him, despite the fact that Guss might give us more immediate results. The bond Ciro can form (or already formed) with the team is one that money can't buy and key to seeing Juve back to the glory days. And after all, the board is supporting him and the team too is on his side. The only ones that want him out are the Italian Media and us fans. The former make a fuss out of everything and the majority of the latter aren't that bright if I have to be brutally honest.
But the biggest mistake he could make, one that would be etched in stone, is if he doesn't learn from the messes we do in the field. But only a narrow-minded fool or a complete idiot would fail to learn from his mistakes but I am certain that Ciro is no idiot.
Got doubts? Just remember that already he has achieved more than all the users in this forum put together. He is not an idiot.
Edit: And I forgot to mention that above all, I would be proud of the black and white more than ever in the future if I would be able to state that 'I support a Juventus that has a board that loves its team, a coach that is a Juventus Legend of the past and a team that hungers for a win' rather than say that ' I support a Juventus that has some Arab oil tycoon as a president, a coach that doesn't give a shit about the team but only personal achievements (Moronhio *cough*) and consists of a bunch of mercenaries that have a talent in football but would without any thoughts move to another team if a larger wage is given." I want Juventus, not a new Real Madrid, or a Manchester City or ANYTHING resembling Inter.
top post mate,however although i feel your sentiments,i do not share them on one issue.
i feel thta the job is too big for Ciro just now,he needs guidance,god knows the board have not been giving him any. a more experienced coach will help the team to stabilise,something badly needed right now so that we stop lurching from impressive performance to downright farce.
i feel terrible about this but Ciro simply is not ready for this job at this time,however if the board stick by him then the fans simply MUST get behind the man,get behind the team and most importantly.....show some patience,because Ciro is working extremely hard to find his formation but he is a far way from realising just yet
i feel thta the job is too big for Ciro just now,he needs guidance,god knows the board have not been giving him any. a more experienced coach will help the team to stabilise,something badly needed right now so that we stop lurching from impressive performance to downright farce.
i feel terrible about this but Ciro simply is not ready for this job at this time,however if the board stick by him then the fans simply MUST get behind the man,get behind the team and most importantly.....show some patience,because Ciro is working extremely hard to find his formation but he is a far way from realising just yet
We played with more passion and spirit under Ranieri. Until nearing the end of his tenure as coach. Of course there were other factors in play such as our return to Serie A and the enthusiasm to prove ourselves still capable...and also...the change over this last summer of JUVE NEDVED and just JUVE. Other than his reluctance to deploy Giovinco in the starting XI, I didn't have much problem with Ranieri, until it was very very clear that he had lost the dressing room.
We signed Diego, a trequartista, for big money in the summer. It did not take balls to change the formation to absorb the loss of nedved and include the arrival of Diego. Its simply common sense. Ciro deserves no credit for changing formation. I suppose he could have tried sticking with a 4-4-1-1, with Diego as a support striker, Gio and Camo on the wings, and might he still...but he has, as far as I can see, tried to adopt the very very obvious formations needed to make use of our best, and most expensive players.
Insulting Ciro's management failings is normal. It happens at every club, especially a top ranking club, when a new manager comes in and makes the team worse than they have been seen for decades...
We signed Diego, a trequartista, for big money in the summer. It did not take balls to change the formation to absorb the loss of nedved and include the arrival of Diego. Its simply common sense. Ciro deserves no credit for changing formation. I suppose he could have tried sticking with a 4-4-1-1, with Diego as a support striker, Gio and Camo on the wings, and might he still...but he has, as far as I can see, tried to adopt the very very obvious formations needed to make use of our best, and most expensive players.
Insulting Ciro's management failings is normal. It happens at every club, especially a top ranking club, when a new manager comes in and makes the team worse than they have been seen for decades...
are you serious? Broski i'm talking about the entire season. Ferrara's squad is much superior to whatever Ranieri had. And Ranieri also had to deal with missing players too, Remember the injuries to Buffon, Zebina, Camo, Trez, and Zanetti?
I challenge you to prove me wrong about the squad difference.
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I challenge you to prove me wrong about the squad difference.
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the ONLY major asset that Ranieri had, which Ciro lacks is Nedved. Other than the wild wolfman, our current squad is stronger, at least on paper.
I hope I am proven wrong. As it hurts me, and angers me to read these lines dripping from my fingertips...but...if Ciro stays, I see us struggling, and likely failing, to stay in the top four. Losing to Inter in the coppa...losing to Ajax in the europa...
The worst of those failures, massively so, would be the lack of champions league football. not only would our transfer budget be affected for the next year or longer, we will be UNABLE TO ATTRACT DECENT PLAYERS...because they all want to play in the champions league.
I support Juve, not Ciro Ferrara. And I have seen NOTHING this season to suggest he is learning anything about management. The team regularly performs, not just recently, but since august, with zero tactical solidity, zero passion, zero spirit. ALL of those areas are Ciro's job to improve.
I read a post on this page which made me laugh...mentioning the bond between Ciro and the players. Which is nonsense. Else the players would have been playing better for their manager. Buffon and Diego have both publically criticized him...I see no special bond. And why would there be???? He has failed them. they are failing him. All cannot be rosy and happy in the camp. I damn well hope not anyway...the players should be ashamed and angry, not joyful. Great! we won our coppa game, which despite the scoreline, we could have drawn or lost had Napoli shown more clinical finishing in the final third...it doesnt detract from the deafening roar of depression rooted in OUR GENERAL FORM OF THIS SEASON BEING AWFUL.
I will not be smiling if my harrowing predictions of total failure come true. But neither will I be surprised.
I hope I am proven wrong. As it hurts me, and angers me to read these lines dripping from my fingertips...but...if Ciro stays, I see us struggling, and likely failing, to stay in the top four. Losing to Inter in the coppa...losing to Ajax in the europa...
The worst of those failures, massively so, would be the lack of champions league football. not only would our transfer budget be affected for the next year or longer, we will be UNABLE TO ATTRACT DECENT PLAYERS...because they all want to play in the champions league.
I support Juve, not Ciro Ferrara. And I have seen NOTHING this season to suggest he is learning anything about management. The team regularly performs, not just recently, but since august, with zero tactical solidity, zero passion, zero spirit. ALL of those areas are Ciro's job to improve.
I read a post on this page which made me laugh...mentioning the bond between Ciro and the players. Which is nonsense. Else the players would have been playing better for their manager. Buffon and Diego have both publically criticized him...I see no special bond. And why would there be???? He has failed them. they are failing him. All cannot be rosy and happy in the camp. I damn well hope not anyway...the players should be ashamed and angry, not joyful. Great! we won our coppa game, which despite the scoreline, we could have drawn or lost had Napoli shown more clinical finishing in the final third...it doesnt detract from the deafening roar of depression rooted in OUR GENERAL FORM OF THIS SEASON BEING AWFUL.
I will not be smiling if my harrowing predictions of total failure come true. But neither will I be surprised.
Lion...I am WITH you regarding the squad comparisons, and I wasn't referring to Nedved's playing skills as an asset, but his mental zeal and extreme determination. He simply refused to ever let his head drop, and having someone like that in team, is infectious to others around him...whether winning or losing, Pavel demanded BATTLE AND VICTORY. True enough, he was often wretched last season, but our midfield especially, clearly misses his drive and spirit.
Ancelotti said it perfectly: that the difference between leonardo and Ferrara is that leonardo is backed by an experience management, people who know the game pretty well while the other is backed by bunch of inexperienced, clueless (thats my word) people who know shit about the game.
when milan lost 4-0 in the derby i bet leonardo had some word of advice from he's people (who have been there done that for years and years) they've helped him to turn the table and start winning since then.
In our situation the poor Ferrara had no one to turn to. This is the first time "ever" that he coached a team, 3 out of our back 4 defenders have changed, the whole formation have been changed with the arrival of Diego, Ferrara learned few weeks into the season that Diego can't function as a lone creative guy in the team so he had to change the formation for that.
He didn't have enough depth (on the flanks) to continue playing the way he wanted with the 4-2-3-1 formation thanks for the wisdom of our management who didn't gave him that option (moggi even mentioned that in an intreview) so he tried to find a way out of this situation but he couldn't.
People can blame Ferrara as much as they like but personaly i can clearlly see our management being the main reason for all this mess we're in. If we get an experience coach (someone like Hiddink) the results will get better but i really don't think we can win anything with the current team. So many changes has to be done and it can't be done in a year or two.
Change the management and in a year or two we can start winning things, keep those people and we won't win anything.
when milan lost 4-0 in the derby i bet leonardo had some word of advice from he's people (who have been there done that for years and years) they've helped him to turn the table and start winning since then.
In our situation the poor Ferrara had no one to turn to. This is the first time "ever" that he coached a team, 3 out of our back 4 defenders have changed, the whole formation have been changed with the arrival of Diego, Ferrara learned few weeks into the season that Diego can't function as a lone creative guy in the team so he had to change the formation for that.
He didn't have enough depth (on the flanks) to continue playing the way he wanted with the 4-2-3-1 formation thanks for the wisdom of our management who didn't gave him that option (moggi even mentioned that in an intreview) so he tried to find a way out of this situation but he couldn't.
People can blame Ferrara as much as they like but personaly i can clearlly see our management being the main reason for all this mess we're in. If we get an experience coach (someone like Hiddink) the results will get better but i really don't think we can win anything with the current team. So many changes has to be done and it can't be done in a year or two.
Change the management and in a year or two we can start winning things, keep those people and we won't win anything.
