Ciro Ferrara (20 Viewers)

K.O.

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2005
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And your question stands; Should we get him on a long term contract or not get him at all and then wait till the end of the season to sign Prandelli. Tough choice.
It's a tough choice, indeed. For me, this season is practically over to be honest. I won't fire Ciro unless our place in CL next season is jeopardized and that could be decided after our next match against Meelan. If we do stick with Ciro, I'd choose Prandelli over Guus. If not, signing Guus shouldn't be just for the remainder of the season, he must stay for at least two more seasons.

If Man Utd want either Blanc or Prandelli to replace fergie I'd go with him. I think it's time he came to a pig club instead of a provincial one.
Man Utd will go after Mourinho to replace Fergie, me thinks. But, between Blanc and Prandelli, Man Utd will choose Blanc. They aren't very fond of Italians. Prandelli, on the other hand, could be the next Italian national team manager. IMO, Prandelli will be making a huge mistake managing Italy after the WC. It's not the right time for him to quit clubs stage.
 

Lo-Pan

Disciple of Gonzo
Feb 11, 2009
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What do you think about Prandelli, Weedguru? Do you think he's more appropriate next season for us than Guus, in case we stuck with Ciro till the end of the season?



Your opinion regarding this matter is appreciated.
I like him. His history. His manner. His apparent ability to get the most out of a team. He seems to just get on with his job, and do it damn well.

Were it not for the Rule prohibiting the movement of managers between Serie A clubs, in the same season, no doubt we would be at the very least speaking to him right now...I was as carried away as many others, with the big summer signings, and appointment of Ciro. Brimming with hope and excitement...yet now, I rue such hopeless optimism. Not because of the failure of the big signings. But because of the ease at which I accepted Ciro. It was a massive gamble. And I simply didn't ponder that he could be as poor as he has thus far, shown as The Boss.

Now, the gamble has lost. And the blame game is in full swing. Thankfully, much of the venomous anger from the supporters, is vented at the management as a whole, NOT SOLELY CIRO. Which is Right.

The problem with Blanc...ZERO CHARISMA OR PALPABLE PASSION FOR THE CLUB...and Secco, are obviously connected to the problems of the team itself. For those two brought in Ciro and many signings over the last few seasons who have simply failed miserably.

I could go on...but have yet to answer your question properly. So...I like both gasperini and prandelli. And would be happy to see either brought in during the summer. A desire affected of course by how well fiorentina and genoa perform in the second half of the season...Prandelli has done more in my mind, to earn the Right, but gasperini has shown sparks of excitement, as well as the ability to create solid outfits. Both have connections to our club.

Still, if it is a choice between Ciro until the summer. Or Guss NOW, and on a longer contract than 6 months, i would go with Guus. Everytime. He has impressed me immensely over the years. Not constantly, but no manager has done that. His peaks are very high. We can all choose our own measures for what makes a good manager, but also there is a gut feeling, one which forms when you see patterns in the way a team plays for a manager, or rather, the way a manager makes his teams play. I like the way he makes teams play. And know of no other manager who has so succesfully made a team, improve dramatically and very quickly. Without going over his PSV era...as I know little about it other than facts and figures...yes, South Korea cheated, but still, they were hardy fuckers to beat. South Korea???? They should be stomped into the dirt by the top teams, whether they have the help of dodgy officials or not. Yet, they were VERY solid, and capable of scoring.

he did the same thing with Australia. I watched him do it, from here in melbourne that year. Watched how he worked, how the team changed, how it began to play how Guus wanted them to play...the change was stunning.

Chelsea...they didnt need new players...this is what I like about Guus. Its the same how he was, to a degree, with the national teams. i.e., he couldn't buy players. His major skill seems to be, squeezing the best out of a team, moulding them, into the right shape as to what he has concluded will deliver the optimum collective output.

I rank him with Ferguson and Capello, and cannot think of a manager i would prefer to him. ESPECIALLY given our current circumstances.
 

K.O.

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Nov 24, 2005
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So, you do prefer Guus over Prandelli. I agree with most of what you said, except the fact that you're actually willing to accept Gasperini as a manager. He isn't really that bad, but he is nowhere close to the level of Prandelli, IMO.
 

Lo-Pan

Disciple of Gonzo
Feb 11, 2009
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So, you do prefer Guus over Prandelli. I agree with most of what you said, except the fact that you're actually willing to accept Gasperini as a manager. He isn't really that bad, but he is nowhere close to the level of Prandelli, IMO.
If we are not able to get Guus, I would prefer an italian coach rather than ANY other foreign coach. I only really like those two, as managers, and agree wholeheartedly that Gasperini has done far less to earn the Right. Still, I like him. There was a childish sparkle in his eyes last season when Genoa were playing brilliantly, for long periods. By their standards. Though this season, they have faltered...I think Mourinho is a decent manager, but I don't like him, as a man. Which matters to me. And yes, out of the italians, only prandelli and gasperini spring to mind. Been forced to wait until the Summer with the current set up is a horrifying thought.
 

K.O.

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Nov 24, 2005
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His impressive résumé is the reason why I asked you why you think he's a loser! Well, check this out:

Atalanta youth coach 1990-1997: He did a very good job developing many young players. He actually made a name of Atalanta's youth system as one of the best in Italy. It wasn't the case in the 80's before he joined them.

Lecce 1997-1998: First job as a manager where he failed and got sacked after 6 months. Lecce were demoted that season, they had even a worse second round after Prandelli's departure.

Verona 1998-2000: He led Verona back to Serie A in his first season! 9th place in his second season immediately after promotion.

Venezia 2000-2001: One season with Venezia and he led the team to Seria A, again!

Parma 2002-2004: In his first season, he led Parma to a 5th place and a UEFA cup place. In his second season, Parma maintained the 5th place and a UEFA cup place with Alberto Gilardino as a runner-up in the goal scoring charts with an impressive 23 goals.

Fiorentina 2005-now: His first season in Tuscany proved to be a huge success, as Prandelli transformed Fiorentina from relegation strugglers into a team worthy of a UEFA Champions League spot, finishing the season in fourth place. Unfortunately for Fiorentina and Prandelli however, as a result of the Calciopoli match-fixing scandal, Fiorentina along with Juventus were stripped of their Champions League spot. Prandelli's team, though, started the 2006–07 season in Serie A (albeit with a 15 point deduction) after initially being relegated to Serie B at first instance. Despite the 15 point deduction, Prandelli was able to guide Fiorentina to a 6th place finish in Serie A (with the same point tally as 5th placed Palermo), securing UEFA Cup qualification for the 2007–08 season. The team did very well in the competition, losing the penalty shootout against Rangers in the semi-final. In Serie A, the team finished fourth after winning a long race against A.C. Milan, earning a ticket to participate in the UEFA Champions League.

This season he made the 16 round of the UEFA Champions League for the first time in his Viola career (Possible Viola's history? Not sure!).

Cesare Prandelli was twice named the winner of the Panchina D'Oro (Golden Bench) award for best Italian club coach for his work during the 2005–06 and the 2006–07 season.

For his work in the 2007–08 season, Prandelli was awarded the Serie A Coach of the Year at the "Oscar del calcio" awards in early 2009.
 

giovanotti

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Aug 13, 2004
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If we managed to get Guus for 6 months it would be a great deal. This guy often does wonders on a short term contracts, while what he does on the long term is yet to be seen.

So if we could get him till the rest of this season and then manage to get Prandelli.
That would be something :tup:
I think that getting Guus for 3 to 4 years would be a good move only.
 

K.O.

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2005
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:sergio: you clearly don't know how to judge a football manager's résumé!

Do you want him to win titles with Lecce, Verona, Venezia and Parma?

With Fiorentina, he transformed the team form relegation strugglers into a team that qualified to the champions league 3 times (4 without Calciopoli).

Prandelli's career is clearly moving up the ladder.

Lippi and Trap didn't win a single title before becoming managers for Juve. They became the best two managers in the history of this club.
 

K.O.

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Nov 24, 2005
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Guus is brilliant. Never doubted that. But you can't really say a manager is a loser because he never won a title with less than mediocre teams. As I said, Lippi and Trap never won a single title before joining us. Yet, they became the best two in the history of Juve.
 

nabulio

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Jan 31, 2008
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we need manager who can speed up our play! we lack pace, quick thinking, power and intelligence. we are trying to play football that was played 20 years ago. at least for the upcoming 5 years NO ITALIAN COACH!!
 

giovanotti

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Aug 13, 2004
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we need manager who can speed up our play! we lack pace, quick thinking, power and intelligence. we are trying to play football that was played 20 years ago. at least for the upcoming 5 years NO ITALIAN COACH!!
No no no,the football from 20 years ago was a good one comparing to this one we're playing today without a style and a plan.
 

only-juve

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Jan 5, 2008
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we need manager who can speed up our play! we lack pace, quick thinking, power and intelligence. we are trying to play football that was played 20 years ago. at least for the upcoming 5 years NO ITALIAN COACH!!
I don't know where this whole italian coaches are shit "hype" started but certainly its a joke!!

People here thinks the moment we hire a foreigner coach all of the sudden we will be playing attractive attacking football its not that simple guys.

the problem is mainly with the italian football mentality not the coaches. Club owners and media in italy don't have patience, all what they care about is results and nothing else.

I mean look at Ancelotti's time with us everyone was saying he's a loser he will never win trophies but all what the guy needed is time and patience thats all. Too much pressure is in italy (more than any league probably in the world) and that is not helping.

Even for a foreigner who would work in serie A he's life would be really hard in this league. No one takes as much pressure as italian coaches (none) in this game. I doubt many foreigners would easilly succeed here unless this results based mentality changes in italian football....
 

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