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Mohad

The Ocean Star
May 20, 2009
6,695
As for different formations Juve could play, I think 4-3-1-2, 4-3-2-1 and 4-2-3-1 are the best choices based on the players we have. 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 could also be used in some instances, but I think less often. And I think if Sissoko and Melo were to play in the same lineup, it would probably work best in a 4-2-3-1. I think Marchisio would still be better to start in one of their places, but we've seen that Marchisio could use the rest sometimes. But when he's fit and ready I believe he should always get the start.
 

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AV-7

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Jul 8, 2009
362
As for different formations Juve could play, I think 4-3-1-2, 4-3-2-1 and 4-2-3-1 are the best choices based on the players we have. 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 could also be used in some instances, but I think less often. And I think if Sissoko and Melo were to play in the same lineup, it would probably work best in a 4-2-3-1. I think Marchisio would still be better to start in one of their places, but we've seen that Marchisio could use the rest sometimes. But when he's fit and ready I believe he should always get the start.
What is the difference ?
 

JCK

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JCK
May 11, 2004
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What is the difference ?
Milan's 4-3-2-1

GK
DL DC DC DR
Gattuso Pirlo Ambrossini
Kaka Seedorf
Inzaghi​

Barcelona's 4-3-3

GK
DL DC DC DR
Xavi Toure Iniesta
Messi Eto'o Henry​

Do you see the difference between Kaka, Seedorf and Messi Henry?
 

Amaurisimo

Senior Member
Dec 8, 2007
4,622
Juventus - Ferrara: public enemy #1

By Mina Rzouki

“Fans shouldn't be dramatic. We have started the season well and obtained important results. Then we dipped a bit at home with Bologna and away to Palermo.” Insists Alessio Secco. Unfortunately for Juve, they simply cannot escape talks of a crisis as recent results coupled with announced changes to the Presidency have only aided in fanning the flames of despair. It has been announced that Giovanni Cobolli Gigli will step down as President and be replaced by Jean-Claude Blanc. Contrary to public opinion, this has nothing to do with Juve’s recent poor form but a case of expired contracts. Gigli was tasked with restoring the prestige of the Old Lady, in addition to earning back their fair play reputation. If Jose Mourinho’s recent comments regarding the affection aimed towards Juve by the media are to be believed, then the President did indeed do a very good job.


So, with no-one else to blame for recent results, Juve fans have turned against their beloved Coach. To be very honest, Ferrara made himself an easy target when he announced that along with impressive results, he would ensure entertaining play: “There will be plenty of possession. Short passes, making the ball work and waiting for an opening to then hurt the opponent. Juve's style will be like the Spanish national side, Barcelona, or Milan when they played under [Carlo] Ancelotti." A bold statement from a man who only undertook his first real coaching job in the early summer. Unfortunately for Ciro, the current Juve play is a far cry from his pre-season promises and has only served to increase the pressure.

Ball possession appears to be the one thing that the Bianconeri cannot master this season and many have blamed the formation Ferrara insists on using in every game. The 4-3-1-2 formation was constructed to fit the incredible Brazilian that is Diego. But with recent injuries that have kept him out of the squad for a few weeks, coupled with the problems he has suffered in regaining his form after recovery, have not deterred Ciro from continuing to employ these tactics. With a complete and balanced squad, this formation can be played to devastating effect but with the current long list of injured stars, the tactics do not suit their inadequate replacements. The biggest problem lies in defence - if Ferrara insists on playing 4-3-1-2 then purchasing several fullbacks should be his main objective this January. Whilst both Jonathan Zebina and Zdenek Grygera have, at times, produced admirable performances, they still lack the consistency to play for a team that so heavily relies on their input. Meanwhile, Fabio Grosso has been a saviour for the left side of the defence so far but should he fall injured, then neither Cristian Molinaro nor Paolo De Ceglie are good enough to fill his void. Martin Caceres, the versatile defender, has been brought in to be of use should injures play a part and whilst his performance against Lazio was impressive, question marks still hang over his defensive abilities.

Thus, with an ever disintegrating defence, players, such as Diego, are having to go back and help the defence perhaps more than they should. To truly allow the pint-sized Brazilian the space to make his mark, either the formation needs to be changed, to allow adequate cover for the defence, or replacements for the current defenders must be purchased. Obviously, as the latter cannot happen yet, the midfield requires additional personnel to help keep ball possession. If Ferrara was to adopt a 4-2-3-1 formation, then players like Diego or Mauro Camoranesi will have the freedom and possession to create chances further up the pitch. The additional advantage to this particular formation is that the lone striker upfront can simply wait for the ball to be fed without having to go back and retrieve it. Amauri or David Trezeguet could fit perfectly in that role considering their predatory nature. Since they both lack the ingenuity to create their own chances, having three attacking midfielders behind them should provide them with ample chances for goal.


Despite talk of negateve tactics, it is far too early to judge the current Coach. Sadly for Ferrara however, patience is not a virtue bestowed upon Italian football tacticians. Most have forgotten that the absence of so many influential players, including the legendary captain, has dealt the Old Lady a cruel blow. Although, even the reserves should do better than draw against teams such as Bologna and perhaps the only way for Ferrara to succeed is by believing in his own vision of Juve and by forgetting the mounting pressure. If he truly believes that his 4-3-1-2 formation is the best for his squad then so be it and he will have to find a way of making it work. Furthermore, he should be confident in his ability to nurture youth and start introducing starlets to those areas that require boosting. Only if he remains loyal to his concepts can proper conclusions on his abilities as Coach can be accurately drawn.
 

AV-7

Junior Member
Jul 8, 2009
362
4-3-2-1 is the Xmas tree with 2 AMFs supporting the striker

4-3-3 is the attacking trident, like Barthelona
Milan's 4-3-2-1

GK
DL DC DC DR
Gattuso Pirlo Ambrossini
Kaka Seedorf
Inzaghi​

Barcelona's 4-3-3

GK
DL DC DC DR
Xavi Toure Iniesta
Messi Eto'o Henry​

Do you see the difference between Kaka, Seedorf and Messi Henry?
Aha, i thought it was the same!!
 

pavelnedy

Juvetus Lover
Oct 26, 2008
697
Juventus - Ferrara: public enemy #1

By Mina Rzouki

“Fans shouldn't be dramatic. We have started the season well and obtained important results. Then we dipped a bit at home with Bologna and away to Palermo.” Insists Alessio Secco. Unfortunately for Juve, they simply cannot escape talks of a crisis as recent results coupled with announced changes to the Presidency have only aided in fanning the flames of despair. It has been announced that Giovanni Cobolli Gigli will step down as President and be replaced by Jean-Claude Blanc. Contrary to public opinion, this has nothing to do with Juve’s recent poor form but a case of expired contracts. Gigli was tasked with restoring the prestige of the Old Lady, in addition to earning back their fair play reputation. If Jose Mourinho’s recent comments regarding the affection aimed towards Juve by the media are to be believed, then the President did indeed do a very good job.


So, with no-one else to blame for recent results, Juve fans have turned against their beloved Coach. To be very honest, Ferrara made himself an easy target when he announced that along with impressive results, he would ensure entertaining play: “There will be plenty of possession. Short passes, making the ball work and waiting for an opening to then hurt the opponent. Juve's style will be like the Spanish national side, Barcelona, or Milan when they played under [Carlo] Ancelotti." A bold statement from a man who only undertook his first real coaching job in the early summer. Unfortunately for Ciro, the current Juve play is a far cry from his pre-season promises and has only served to increase the pressure.

Ball possession appears to be the one thing that the Bianconeri cannot master this season and many have blamed the formation Ferrara insists on using in every game. The 4-3-1-2 formation was constructed to fit the incredible Brazilian that is Diego. But with recent injuries that have kept him out of the squad for a few weeks, coupled with the problems he has suffered in regaining his form after recovery, have not deterred Ciro from continuing to employ these tactics. With a complete and balanced squad, this formation can be played to devastating effect but with the current long list of injured stars, the tactics do not suit their inadequate replacements. The biggest problem lies in defence - if Ferrara insists on playing 4-3-1-2 then purchasing several fullbacks should be his main objective this January. Whilst both Jonathan Zebina and Zdenek Grygera have, at times, produced admirable performances, they still lack the consistency to play for a team that so heavily relies on their input. Meanwhile, Fabio Grosso has been a saviour for the left side of the defence so far but should he fall injured, then neither Cristian Molinaro nor Paolo De Ceglie are good enough to fill his void. Martin Caceres, the versatile defender, has been brought in to be of use should injures play a part and whilst his performance against Lazio was impressive, question marks still hang over his defensive abilities.

Thus, with an ever disintegrating defence, players, such as Diego, are having to go back and help the defence perhaps more than they should. To truly allow the pint-sized Brazilian the space to make his mark, either the formation needs to be changed, to allow adequate cover for the defence, or replacements for the current defenders must be purchased. Obviously, as the latter cannot happen yet, the midfield requires additional personnel to help keep ball possession. If Ferrara was to adopt a 4-2-3-1 formation, then players like Diego or Mauro Camoranesi will have the freedom and possession to create chances further up the pitch. The additional advantage to this particular formation is that the lone striker upfront can simply wait for the ball to be fed without having to go back and retrieve it. Amauri or David Trezeguet could fit perfectly in that role considering their predatory nature. Since they both lack the ingenuity to create their own chances, having three attacking midfielders behind them should provide them with ample chances for goal.


Despite talk of negateve tactics, it is far too early to judge the current Coach. Sadly for Ferrara however, patience is not a virtue bestowed upon Italian football tacticians. Most have forgotten that the absence of so many influential players, including the legendary captain, has dealt the Old Lady a cruel blow. Although, even the reserves should do better than draw against teams such as Bologna and perhaps the only way for Ferrara to succeed is by believing in his own vision of Juve and by forgetting the mounting pressure. If he truly believes that his 4-3-1-2 formation is the best for his squad then so be it and he will have to find a way of making it work. Furthermore, he should be confident in his ability to nurture youth and start introducing starlets to those areas that require boosting. Only if he remains loyal to his concepts can proper conclusions on his abilities as Coach can be accurately
drawn.
From livedoor?
 

X Æ A-12

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Sep 4, 2006
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And again, for the THIRD time this week, thank GOD Ferrara isn't so dumb as to try something like this. Seriously, this is so much stupidity that I even think less of this board now, since THREE people came up with such crap in the span of four days. It would be one thing if only one PES player tried three at the back with attacking wingers, but after this, I've had enough.

This is not a FUCKING PES 10 or FM board, alright? Take that crap elsewhere.
Yes it is a fifa10 formation which is why I said I wouldn't field it, it was something to laugh about, I guess I needed to clarify that three or four times for you
 

Suns

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May 22, 2009
22,087
4-3-1-2 sucks. As I said before the season started. If the opponents get Diego out of the game then we're fucked. I just don't get how Ferrara won't play the 4-3-2-1, it has everything, both centrally and on the flanks. Giovinco and Diego could drift to the flanks if it gets too tight centrally. And if Diego has an off game then Giovinco could lead the team and vice versa. I really can't see the point of playing two strikers up front. One is enough, two will effect our game negatively cuz let's be honest, we don't have no Villa, Ibrahimovic or even Del Piero out there anymore who could create stuff on their own.

The best part with the 4-3-2-1? We would still have our 3 man midfield supporting Giovinco and Diego.

Ciro, CHANGE!
 

Mohad

The Ocean Star
May 20, 2009
6,695
Basically, the coach decides his formation based on what he see his team must play, a translation of his vision to the team! So when Ciro change the line up or his system, it shows weak mentality and a person that only wishes to avoid criticism.

I wish Ciro stick to what he believes or he would be a PUPPET!!
 

Mohad

The Ocean Star
May 20, 2009
6,695
I think the formation is not the real problem, in fact the problem lies with some mentality of the players. They don't know how to execute, or the coach not telling the players how to do it.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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What? who says that? Ferrara should be expected to experiment with the side just as Ranieri was expected to but rarely did.
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Basically, the coach decides his formation based on what he see his team must play, a translation of his vision to the team! So when Ciro change the line up or his system, it shows weak mentality and a person that only wishes to avoid criticism.

I wish Ciro stick to what he believes or he would be a PUPPET!!
And any number of people criticised Ranieri for not being more flexible.

I think the formation is not the real problem, in fact the problem lies with some mentality of the players. They don't know how to execute, or the coach not telling the players how to do it.
I agree.
 

X Æ A-12

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Sep 4, 2006
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Here:



And any number of people criticised Ranieri for not being more flexible.



I agree.
Ok, well it is stupid to say Ferrara should stubbornly stick with a formation that isn't working. Mohad may be right about how it is the players who aren't putting Ferrara's directions to practice but while we wait around for them to get a clue we keep dropping points
 

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