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Don't complain about the sacking; complain about the appointment.
And Ranieri lasted two years. Sacking someone after that long isn't a big deal.
Anyway, if Ferrara goes, give me Il Trap until the end of the season and then figure out where things stand.
Oh, and none of this is Ferrara's fault. Sure he's made mistakes, but that's what an inexperienced coach does. I have not and will not lose any of my respect for him if he fails as a coach.
And Ranieri lasted two years. Sacking someone after that long isn't a big deal.
Anyway, if Ferrara goes, give me Il Trap until the end of the season and then figure out where things stand.
Oh, and none of this is Ferrara's fault. Sure he's made mistakes, but that's what an inexperienced coach does. I have not and will not lose any of my respect for him if he fails as a coach.
two seasons ago when Van Gaal was at AZ things were going badly and he asked the board to be sacked- they refused and he went on to win the Dutch league last year. Now at Bayern he started badly and people were talking about his sacking and then he trashes Juve.
the difference with Ciro is that he arrives at a club with a clear plan how he wants his team to play and sticks by it no matter what.
with some minor adjustments he transforms his team into a winning side.
Ciro on the other hand still has no idea how his team should play, he changes his tactics all the time and even adjusts his line-up to fit in a player.
that's his error, Del Piero may be a legend and leaving him out may bring much critisism but Ciro should have said this is how I want Juve to play and that's it, full stop.
the players should adapt to the tactics not thr other way around.
now there is uncertainty and the team is still searching
everbody knows how ManU or Barca are going to play or even Inter but their players find eachother blindfolded.
when in trouble they always have this to rely on
he shouldn't look at names, only at tactics and individual directives according to the opposition
we are still Juve, most of the time we are the stronger team, change players not tactics!
the difference with Ciro is that he arrives at a club with a clear plan how he wants his team to play and sticks by it no matter what.
with some minor adjustments he transforms his team into a winning side.
Ciro on the other hand still has no idea how his team should play, he changes his tactics all the time and even adjusts his line-up to fit in a player.
that's his error, Del Piero may be a legend and leaving him out may bring much critisism but Ciro should have said this is how I want Juve to play and that's it, full stop.
the players should adapt to the tactics not thr other way around.
now there is uncertainty and the team is still searching
everbody knows how ManU or Barca are going to play or even Inter but their players find eachother blindfolded.
when in trouble they always have this to rely on
he shouldn't look at names, only at tactics and individual directives according to the opposition
we are still Juve, most of the time we are the stronger team, change players not tactics!
I think what Elkann has said is the right move. Is all probablity we will be in the CL next year, Ciro failed to meet expectations and will be fired at the end of the season. Elkann doesn't want to waste money and I'm sure there is a first season get out clause in Ciros contract. At the moment we are still in 3 competitions with a chance to win all three, if all three slip away then sack him.
The only way he should stay is if we win the Scudetto,EL and Coppa.
The only way he should stay is if we win the Scudetto,EL and Coppa.
For me he could stay with single scudetto, but we all know it's equally impossible.
It's really a problem of management not just coaching, these board members specially Blanc and Secco don't realize how huge and ambitious this club is, maybe they don't even care
All their decisions since we came back from B were wrong except for a very few signings and even these didn't prove worthy of the money paid in them, so far.. except for Momo
And why the hell didn't we get Criscito back? why didn't we keep Nocerino instead of keeping players like Tiago and Poulsen
We're -history speaking- amongst the best 8 in europe, according to stats we're 3rd, and world's 6th in number of trophies, So why aren't we making signings as big as the big teams do??
All their decisions since we came back from B were wrong except for a very few signings and even these didn't prove worthy of the money paid in them, so far.. except for Momo
And why the hell didn't we get Criscito back? why didn't we keep Nocerino instead of keeping players like Tiago and Poulsen
We're -history speaking- amongst the best 8 in europe, according to stats we're 3rd, and world's 6th in number of trophies, So why aren't we making signings as big as the big teams do??
Agreed. The situation is just very wrong if one expect results asap.
Getting new players + Getting an inexperienced coach = bad results
I expected a bad season since we bought Diego while Ferrara is in charge. Players take time to get used to the rhythm of the team and having a coach that isn't experienced in dealing in such a situation doesn't help, at all. It's hardly a surprise that Diego had played badly.
But the problem is certainly not a lack of ability, but a lack of results. Diego might be performing poorly, but is he a bad player? If you think that he is, do you [video=youtube;_9LzGqDAeWg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhJmWiskOjo&feature=related"]need to be reminded[/URL] [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9LzGqDAeWg&feature=related[/video]? He is certainly a great player, he just needs to play/be played well for us and that in the end could include trail and error. (and alot of poor performances in between)
Then you have the Ferrara argument. First of all, the fact is that 3/4 of the arguments in this thread against him are a joke, which usually include the words 'Zero Ferrara' and 'Do yourself an honor and resign' (A real legend and leader would fight till the end. Ferrara is no exception) Such people think that their ass knows more than Ferrara does and that they have the answers to all problems, despite the fact that they never played any professional football and actually be sucessful (only dream), never seen a Juve player in real life and I am suspecting that such people never even lifted a ball, just know how it looks like from their Football Manager games. You might call Ferrara a disaster, you might throw all the shit you can poop at him but the fact remains, he isn't what you actually think, at all. First of all think of the fact that he is actually a Juve legend. He has probably been playing for Juventus and involved with it longer than you (You being the dumbass of this thread) have ever supported this team. The last thing the guy wants to see is a Juve that is losing. Yet don't forget that the last thing he would do is turn his back on his own team and give up. Some people in this thread think that Ferrara is a retard that can't spot our problems. He certainly isn't.
The management would also be at fault for our current performance, more so if they take the wrong steps. First of all, it's obvious that our board would be a bunch of fools not to sack Ciro if he ends up getting the team to 5th place by the end of season, but they would have already been fools if they expected results from someone who didn't coach in his career but just has the brains to. If they wanted us to perform miracles this season and do good at the champions league for example, they should have atleast appointed a proper coach. But then again, they talk of the 'Juventus Project', being a build up of the team over a period of years to regain the glory we once had. And at this situation Ferrara would make complete sense since while he would not give us results very soon, he could potentially turn out being the coach ala Ferguson we have always begged for, not only giving us results but also last us for a whole generation.
In my opinion this situation needs to go on either of 2 paths: Either the management sack Ferrara to hire a coach that would give us more results NOW or they put their full trust towards him and let him do his job over the years. They either sack him now or by the end of season or never sack him at all. Giving him a 'limited chance' would just be a complete waste of a year or 2 before he is inevitably sacked.
Getting new players + Getting an inexperienced coach = bad results
I expected a bad season since we bought Diego while Ferrara is in charge. Players take time to get used to the rhythm of the team and having a coach that isn't experienced in dealing in such a situation doesn't help, at all. It's hardly a surprise that Diego had played badly.
But the problem is certainly not a lack of ability, but a lack of results. Diego might be performing poorly, but is he a bad player? If you think that he is, do you [video=youtube;_9LzGqDAeWg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhJmWiskOjo&feature=related"]need to be reminded[/URL] [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9LzGqDAeWg&feature=related[/video]? He is certainly a great player, he just needs to play/be played well for us and that in the end could include trail and error. (and alot of poor performances in between)
Then you have the Ferrara argument. First of all, the fact is that 3/4 of the arguments in this thread against him are a joke, which usually include the words 'Zero Ferrara' and 'Do yourself an honor and resign' (A real legend and leader would fight till the end. Ferrara is no exception) Such people think that their ass knows more than Ferrara does and that they have the answers to all problems, despite the fact that they never played any professional football and actually be sucessful (only dream), never seen a Juve player in real life and I am suspecting that such people never even lifted a ball, just know how it looks like from their Football Manager games. You might call Ferrara a disaster, you might throw all the shit you can poop at him but the fact remains, he isn't what you actually think, at all. First of all think of the fact that he is actually a Juve legend. He has probably been playing for Juventus and involved with it longer than you (You being the dumbass of this thread) have ever supported this team. The last thing the guy wants to see is a Juve that is losing. Yet don't forget that the last thing he would do is turn his back on his own team and give up. Some people in this thread think that Ferrara is a retard that can't spot our problems. He certainly isn't.
The management would also be at fault for our current performance, more so if they take the wrong steps. First of all, it's obvious that our board would be a bunch of fools not to sack Ciro if he ends up getting the team to 5th place by the end of season, but they would have already been fools if they expected results from someone who didn't coach in his career but just has the brains to. If they wanted us to perform miracles this season and do good at the champions league for example, they should have atleast appointed a proper coach. But then again, they talk of the 'Juventus Project', being a build up of the team over a period of years to regain the glory we once had. And at this situation Ferrara would make complete sense since while he would not give us results very soon, he could potentially turn out being the coach ala Ferguson we have always begged for, not only giving us results but also last us for a whole generation.
In my opinion this situation needs to go on either of 2 paths: Either the management sack Ferrara to hire a coach that would give us more results NOW or they put their full trust towards him and let him do his job over the years. They either sack him now or by the end of season or never sack him at all. Giving him a 'limited chance' would just be a complete waste of a year or 2 before he is inevitably sacked.