Charlie Hebdo massacre - 2015-Jan-07 (3 Viewers)

[Hængebøffer]

I'm out. Once again it shows some people's hypocrisy here. Linebreak doesn't understand that everything potentially can be insulting to each individual. Who are you to decide what's right or wrong?

Read this:
http://www.orwell.ru/library/novels/Animal_Farm/english/efp_go

 

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[Linebreak]

I'm out. Once again it shows some people's hypocrisy here. Linebreak doesn't understand that everything potentially can be insulting to each individual. Who are you to decide what's right or wrong?

Read this:
http://www.orwell.ru/library/novels/Animal_Farm/english/efp_go

I'm not talking about individuals, I'm talking about roughly a quarter of the world's population.

 

[ReBeL]

Political correctness is becoming a problem, also when you take away religion.

What about this guy? Is his only goal to insult?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/14/-sp-saudi-blogger-extracts-raif-badawi

Doesn't he claim to believe in freedom?
How can you explain this sentence for me:

I’m not in support of the Israeli occupation of any Arab country, but at the same time I do not want to replace Israel by a religious state ...

How does he consider himself a better person to decide for people how they should live? Aren't they free to live in the way they want? There is a big difference between claiming to practice freedom and in the same time attacking those who believe in religion.

 

[Hængebøffer]

I'm not talking about individuals, I'm talking about roughly a quarter of the world's population.

We're not robots.

 

[Linebreak]

We're not robots.

No one said anyone is a Robot. But certain large groups of peoples have certain similar views about certain topics.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Doesn't he claim to believe in freedom?
How can you explain this sentence for me:


How does he consider himself a better person to decide for people how they should live? Aren't they free to live in the way they want? There is a big difference between claiming to practice freedom and in the same time attacking those who believe in religion.

I don't care what he is saying. He's going to jail and being tortured because of his views.

 

[Maddy]

I'm not talking about individuals

Perhaps you should.

 

[Linebreak]

Even if you believe that group is a robot factory, you need to respect it, instead of trying to teach it how you think it should be.

Right to be respected comes before the right to free speech.

 

[Hængebøffer]

No one said anyone is a Robot. But certain large groups of peoples have certain similar views about certain topics.

You clearly didn't understand.

 

[Maddy]

Doesn't he claim to believe in freedom?
How can you explain this sentence for me:


How does he consider himself a better person to decide for people how they should live? Aren't they free to live in the way they want? There is a big difference between claiming to practice freedom and in the same time attacking those who believe in religion.

You totally missed the point.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Perhaps you should.

If we did; the world would be a better place.

 

[Maddy]

Right to be respected comes before the right to free speech.

Ironic.

 

[Linebreak]

If we did; the world would be a better place.

If you can't respect an entire groups view on something, why should we even bother about the individual?

For example, are laws made with regards to individuals or generalities in society?

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Ironic.

Explain.

 

[ReBeL]

I don't care what he is saying. He's going to jail and being tortured because of his views.

And you care about that because he has viewpoints that you like. What do you think of those in Guantanamo? What do you think about the more than 2000 Syrians that have been tortured to death inside the jails of the regime just because of their views?

Simply, if you want to believe in something, just be consistent and talk about thousands of cases in the world, not just those who agree with your views.

 

[Maddy]

Explain.

Where is the respect for my group?

And without Freedom of Speech there is no respect for the individual.

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And you care about that because he has viewpoints that you like. What do you think of those in Guantanamo? What do you think about the more than 2000 Syrians that have been tortured to death inside the jails of the regime just because of their views?

Simply, if you want to believe in something, just be consistent and talk about thousands of cases in the world, not just those who agree with your views.

You clearly haven't followed him or me in this thread. It ain't Seven you are talking to.

 

[swag]

I guess what I don't get is that there is a clear pietistic Islamic tradition of depicting the Prophet, e.g.:

http://www.faithstreet.com/onfaith/2010/05/06/why-islam-does-not-ban-images-of-the-prophet/2383

So from an outsider's perspective, it comes off as a bit of historical revisionism and cultural conditioning (if not cultural amnesia). Culture changed that sought to outlaw what was condoned and even encouraged in Islam's past. And followers have been conditioned to feel insult ever since.

Just as when Catholic conservatives like the claim that Catholic priests have always been celibate, that was not the case until tithing and land-ownership became an economic issue for the Church. But people just recite it as if it were the absolute truth, not even examining the factual history of their own faith.

 

[Mohad]

Unless I am being lied to, yes.

Granted if you have the same view on Muslims as Turk have, then I might be wrong.

I'm sure you can find some that don't care. But the other 99% do, even if they also hate terrorism.

I don't care as well about cartoons but that doesn't mean I'm not offended, the same thing you will find on many other Muslims out there. The prophet himself faced worse than some stupid cartoons and he didn't act violently but to forgive and spread tolerance among us.

 

[IliveForJuve]

I'm offended by movies when they portray Zeus as a bad guy.

 

[Seven]

Yeah. I don't know if people know that Hebdo is actually left-wing.

Hardly the point. They kick everyone in the balls. Doesn't change the fact they're still pretty vulgar.

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No one here (other than Seven) is denying that.

Why would you twist my words, just because you cannot read properly? Hardly seems fair that I should pay for your mistakes.

 

[icemaη]

I guess what I don't get is that there is a clear pietistic Islamic tradition of depicting the Prophet, e.g.:

http://www.faithstreet.com/onfaith/2010/05/06/why-islam-does-not-ban-images-of-the-prophet/2383

So from an outsider's perspective, it comes off as a bit of historical revisionism and cultural conditioning (if not cultural amnesia). Culture changed that sought to outlaw what was condoned and even encouraged in Islam's past. And followers have been conditioned to feel insult ever since.

Just as when Catholic conservatives like the claim that Catholic priests have always been celibate, that was not the case until tithing and land-ownership became an economic issue for the Church. But people just recite it as if it were the absolute truth, not even examining the factual history of their own faith.

A couple of years ago in my home state they dressed up a baby as Muhammed during his 'birthday' celebrations. ('If the Christians have baby Jesus, we shouldn't be left behind ') Nobody was offended enough to kill anyone over it.