Charlie Hebdo massacre - 2015-Jan-07 (7 Viewers)

[Seven]

Until you can tell me the exact words of the Bible that caused Crusades I'll continue to think that the root cause for Crusades wasn't what is written in the Bible but rather the ego of few and sheepness of many.

That is not the point. You say the Bible is not open to interpretations of violence. I say it clearly is, otherwise the Crusades would not have happened.

Now you're changing your entire story and expect me to say the Bible was the root cause. It wasn't. Neither is the Quran.

Also the phrase "I'll continue to think" means "I know I'm dead wrong and stupid, but I'm entitled to my opinion so I'll just continue my ignorant ways even if it's clear I'm wrong". I'm not sure why you went with that.

 

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[Raz]

Crusades where not about bible teachings, if it was, could you please point out a commandment from God or at least something close from the actual book?

Lol, fucking lol. You think these shootings are about islam teachings? Well I always saw you as a delusional but his tops even that.

 

[Snoop]

Until you can tell me the exact words of the Bible that caused Crusades I'll continue to think that the root cause for Crusades wasn't what is written in the Bible but rather the ego of few and sheepness of many.

The Old Testament is crap, full of shit, all violence and supporting it! While the new one doesn't have a single line teaching one to attack..

 

[GordoDeCentral]

i guess asking nicely didnt do, next one who strays from charlie hebdo events and their aftermath will get infraction and thread ban

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Don't mock it like that because next time you decide to sympathize with Muslims' hurt feelings, you will look hypocritical.

Considering Dieudonne's record and the sensitivity of the case, I approve of what France did. They must have done the same thing to Charlie Hebdo when they made those cartoons.

my opinion on the matter is irrelevant, sympathizing with people's hurt feelings is a personal choice that the state shouldnt engage in imo the state's role is to protect its citizens rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. That si the ideal. Reality is different though, every system's main priority is its own survival, and you can bet your ass it will stifle and stop any action it might deem destabilizing. As i mentioned earlier, this is obviously more pronounced in countries where the control is direct(totalitarian ones). But it happens in the western world too, when the noise is just loud enough to get the people's attention out of the rat race the system has them on.

I justify Dieudonné's arrest! But they should arrest right wing Nazi freaks too and anyone who supports terror and violence, and specially those idiots who are beating Muslims for no reason..

Arresting Charlie Hebdo's cartoonists? For making fun of imaginary gods and it's prophets who bring nothing but violence to this world??

on what basis?

 

[Snoop]

i guess asking nicely didnt do, next one who strays from charlie hebdo events and their aftermath will get infraction and thread ban

YOU TALKING TO ME????

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my opinion on the matter is irrelevant, sympathizing with people's hurt feelings is a personal choice that the state shouldnt engage in imo the state's role is to protect its citizens rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. That si the ideal. Reality is different though, every system's main priority is its own survival, and you can bet your ass it will stifle and stop any action it might deem destabilizing. As i mentioned earlier, this is obviously more pronounced in countries where the control is direct(totalitarian ones). But it happens in the western world too, when the noise is just loud enough to get the people's attention out of the rat race the system has them on.




on what basis?

For the same reason I want rightist Nazis to be arrested! Supporting terror, racism! I didn't forget about his Nazi salute..

 

[GordoDeCentral]

ok i guess that wasnt clear enough, with what judicial/constitutional justification will you jail Dieudo over his facebook post? also la quenelle is not a nazi salute.

and yes this will not turn into a religion thread.

 

[Snoop]

You can say I am Charlie hebdo, who mocks idiocy! But you can't say I am Coulibaly, that killed civilians who had nothing even to do with Charlie hebdo! He is supporting that terrorist attack against Jews because they are Jews?

To be honest he shouldn't be arrested, he should be put out of the French borders..

 

[GordoDeCentral]

You can say I am Charlie hebdo, who mocks idiocy! But you can't say I am Coulibaly, that killed civilians who had nothing even to do with Charlie hebdo! He is supporting that terrorist attack against Jews because they are Jews?

To be honest he shouldn't be arrested, he should be put out of the French borders..

thankfully this is not stalin russia, and he per the law can say that, this case will thrown faster than you can say charlie.

Also i would suggest you look up the letter he wrote to explain himself.

 

[Snoop]

thankfully this is not stalin russia, and he per the law can say that, this case will thrown faster than you can say charlie.

Also i would suggest you look up the letter he wrote to explain himself.

Well if they keep letting people say these easily, or those in London who keep threatening that Britain will be Islamic and Sharia law will be installed, or ISIS flag will be hanged on white house, then they can expect a lot of terror in their countries! Sometimes you must be worse than Stalin if you want to keep your country safe..


There is a huge difference between mocking religions and politicians, and mocking victims of terrorism and supporting the terror..

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Well if they keep letting people say these easily, or those in London who keep threatening that Britain will be Islamic and Sharia law will be installed, or ISIS flag will be hanged on white house, then they can expect a lot of terror in their countries! Sometimes you must be worse than Stalin if you want to keep your country safe..


There is a huge difference between mocking religions and politicians, and mocking victims of terrorism and supporting the terror..

so basically you have no justification besides your personal opinion. also you dont see the irony in your "Sometimes you must be worse than Stalin if you want to keep your country safe"

FYI charlie hebdo did make fun of the murder of 800 plus egyptians in 2013 i posted the picture earlier in the thread

 

[Maddy]

Well if they keep letting people say these easily, or those in London who keep threatening that Britain will be Islamic and Sharia law will be installed, or ISIS flag will be hanged on white house, then they can expect a lot of terror in their countries! Sometimes you must be worse than Stalin if you want to keep your country safe..


There is a huge difference between mocking religions and politicians, and mocking victims of terrorism and supporting the terror..

Supporting terrorism should be illegal and it is in every Western country I know about. But mocking the victims of terrorism. That's a grey zone. If mocking happens during hate speech or similar it should be illegal, but I'm not keen on banning the mocking itself. Perhaps a buffer-period where the Victim's families gets time to mourn for their love ones.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Supporting terrorism should be illegal and it is in every Western country I know about. But mocking the victims of terrorism. That's a grey zone. If mocking happens during hate speech or similar it should be illegal, but I'm not keen on banning the mocking itself. Perhaps a buffer-period where the Victim's families gets time to mourn for their love ones.

thats turning in to ridiculousness, i can make an argument snoop just supported terrorism in his post do we arrest him?

 

[Maddy]

thats turning in to ridiculousness, i can make an argument snoop just supported terrorism in his post do we arrest him?

By supporting I mean advocating. Going public and advocate for the use of terror against civilians to reach ones political goals.

Not some facebook-post saying "I think the cartoonist deserved what they got".

 

[Snoop]

Supporting terrorism should be illegal and it is in every Western country I know about. But mocking the victims of terrorism. That's a grey zone. If mocking happens during hate speech or similar it should be illegal, but I'm not keen on banning the mocking itself. Perhaps a buffer-period where the Victim's families gets time to mourn for their love ones.

What does I am Coulibaly means? Is he supporting the messenger of god?

 

[Maddy]

What does I am Coulibaly means? Is he supporting the messenger of god?

Ask Dieudonné.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

What does I am Coulibaly means? Is he supporting the messenger of god?

Ask Dieudonné.

“When I speak … you look for a pretext to ban me. You consider me an Amédy Coulibaly, while I'm no different from Charlie”

 

[Snoop]

so basically you have no justification besides your personal opinion. also you dont see the irony in your "Sometimes you must be worse than Stalin if you want to keep your country safe"

FYI charlie hebdo did make fun of the murder of 800 plus egyptians in 2013 i posted the picture earlier in the thread

Personal opinion? Don't be a thick headed! I explained it very well!
Making fun of religions or politicians isn't terrorism, making Nazi salutes, supporting Jewish killers with "I am Koulibally", or making racist comments is crime, if it is not terrorism.. This is not even debatable to accept if racism is crime or not!

thats turning in to ridiculousness, i can make an argument snoop just supported terrorism in his post do we arrest him?

What are you smoking?

 

[Maddy]

“When I speak … you look for a pretext to ban me. You consider me an Amédy Coulibaly, while I'm no different from Charlie”

Yes?

 

[Snoop]

“When I speak … you look for a pretext to ban me. You consider me an Amédy Coulibaly, while I'm no different from Charlie”

Ok! I take all that back, and I admit I got it wrong in this one (If what you just said is what he meant exactly)

What about Nazi salute?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

please read the question slowly and answer:

what is the legal justification for arresting and charging dieudonne for his facebook post? your opinion on the matter not withstanding