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MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
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icemaη;4785466 said:
:tup: It's also not only an Arab problem. It's a Muslim in the third world problem. The fix will take time. A few years ago I'd have been horrified seeing the cartoons (Not enough to condone the attacks obviously), but not anymore. Learning and accepting how others around the world live is part of that education. Sadly that is extremely difficult while living in the Middle East or for that matter in parts of the third world with a sizeable Muslim population. We are brought up with a tight grip on what is acceptable to be questioned and what is not. I'll be honest, if it weren't for Tuz and the wide variety of white trash, regular niggers, sand niggers and mehicans here I'd not have learned half the things I did about acceptance of other cultures.
Though perhaps not as much, it's a human problem. I'm sure no one needs to be told this, but many in the first world have problems with acceptance as well.

Tuz bringing about world peace :touched:
 

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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icemaη;4785466 said:
:tup: It's also not only an Arab problem. It's a Muslim in the third world problem. The fix will take time. A few years ago I'd have been horrified seeing the cartoons (Not enough to condone the attacks obviously), but not anymore. Learning and accepting how others around the world live is part of that education. Sadly that is extremely difficult while living in the Middle East or for that matter in parts of the third world with a sizeable Muslim population. We are brought up with a tight grip on what is acceptable to be questioned and what is not. I'll be honest, if it weren't for Tuz and the wide variety of white trash, regular niggers, sand niggers and mehicans here I'd not have learned half the things I did about acceptance of other cultures.
:p We're all going to hell anyway.
 

king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
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Don't know if posted already.

French cartoonist Sine on trial on charges of anti-Semitism over Sarkozy jibe

Maurice Sinet, 80, who works under the pen name Sine, faces charges of "inciting racial hatred" for a column he wrote last July in the satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo. The piece sparked a summer slanging match among the Parisian intelligentsia and ended in his dismissal from the magazine.
"L'affaire Sine" followed the engagement of Mr Sarkozy, 22, to Jessica Sebaoun-Darty, the Jewish heiress of an electronic goods chain. Commenting on an unfounded rumour that the president's son planned to convert to Judaism, Sine quipped: "He'll go a long way in life, that little lad."

A high-profile political commentator slammed the column as linking prejudice about Jews and social success. Charlie Hebdo's editor, Philippe Val, asked Sinet to apologise but he refused, exclaiming: "I'd rather cut my balls off."

Mr Val's decision to fire Sine was backed by a group of eminent intellectuals, including the philosopher Bernard-Henry Lévy, but parts of the libertarian Left defended him, citing the right to free speech.

Last week, the anti-capitalist, anti-clerical Sine, who recently founded his own weekly magazine, Sine Hebdo, took Claude Askolovitch, the journalist who first accused him of anti-Semitism, to court for slander in a separate case.

"When I heard that I was being treated as anti-Semitic, my blood ran cold," he said during the trial, adding that if Mr Askolovitch had turned up in person, "it is not a trial he would have had but a head butt."

Sine is the defendant in Tuesday's court case in Lyon, southern France. The plaintiff is the anti-racism and anti-Semitism group, Licra.
The issue of anti-Semitism, already sensitive in a country still marked by the Alfred Dreyfus affair - the Jewish army captain wrongly accused of spying in the 19th century – has become even more charged in recent weeks due to Israel's Gaza offensive; France was hit by a series of anti-Semitic acts, including firebomb attacks on synagogues.

The young Mr Sarkozy, who is now the leader of his father's party in the president's old fiefdom, the chic Paris suburb of Neuilly-sur-Seine, has since married. He has denied converting to Judaism.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...arges-of-anti-Semitism-over-Sarkozy-jibe.html
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The irony.

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P.S. It's not a recent event. Happened to a member of Charlie Hebdo, by Charlie Hebdo.

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rebel is one of the most civil people here, disagree all you want with him, but if you dont stop with the insults on top of the infractions you will get thread banned
He's polite and does never insult people who disagree with him but his points are almost always irrelevant and fallacious. Very annoying to read his posts.

And can you please ban Rus from posting pics? Every third pic tends to contradict the previous two.
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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Anyway, what do you think the impact of this will be on the Danish cartoonist who started this thing initially? Did he make any comments yet?
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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When did you share that opinion? This is basically what I told you.
When? I don't know. In a couple of posts I suppose. It's possible for several people to have that opinion you know.

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Good post :rofl:
Did you even read what they were discussing?Seven is one with a "fascist" way of thinking here.

Because I'm saying that a democracy needs to protect minorities and not just be the voice of the majority?

That is the opposite of fascist. Not to mention that it's the basis for just about any western democracy. I really think you and Maddy need to read an article or two about democracy. It's not just about who gets most votes you know. A democratic state needs to be far more than that.

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and you are being too evasive, i believe i have answered all your questions, i just mentioned one example out of many of the crass tactless and incendiary pictures that garbage of publication had on their front page, your answer was those damn muzzies need a sense of humor, i proved convincingly to you that fellow americans have the same sensibilities elsewhere, since this clearly doesnt fit with preconceived bias, i cant help further
It's not about humour, X. The rare cartoons I've seen didn't strike me as particularly funny.

But it is satire and it is about freedom of speech. If you wanted to joke about 9/11 in the days following 9/11, you had every right to do so. If someone punched you in the face for it, that person would face trial. Perhaps he would have gotten off with a mild sentence, given the circumstances, but nonetheless you would have had the right to joke.

I think it's also important to note that it was a small magazine. It's not as if there are cartoons about Muhammad all over France. You could easily avoid them. It's interesting how you and Rebel do seem to share the feeling of being stalked in a sense. I wonder if that is the overwhelming feeling of muslims throughout Europe as well.

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I completely agree.

As for the bolded part; at one point in history the Jews were the most persecuted people in the West, that is something we in the Arab and Muslim world conveniently forget. They didn't become the West's darlings overnight.

They still aren't. They're just powerful.
 

GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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When? I don't know. In a couple of posts I suppose. It's possible for several people to have that opinion you know.

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Because I'm saying that a democracy needs to protect minorities and not just be the voice of the majority?

That is the opposite of fascist. Not to mention that it's the basis for just about any western democracy. I really think you and Maddy need to read an article or two about democracy. It's not just about who gets most votes you know. A democratic state needs to be far more than that.

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It's not about humour, X. The rare cartoons I've seen didn't strike me as particularly funny.

But it is satire and it is about freedom of speech. If you wanted to joke about 9/11 in the days following 9/11, you had every right to do so. If someone punched you in the face for it, that person would face trial. Perhaps he would have gotten off with a mild sentence, given the circumstances, but nonetheless you would have had the right to joke.

I think it's also important to note that it was a small magazine. It's not as if there are cartoons about Muhammad all over France. You could easily avoid them. It's interesting how you and Rebel do seem to share the feeling of being stalked in a sense. I wonder if that is the overwhelming feeling of muslims throughout Europe as well.

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They still aren't. They're just powerful.
my friend, i am not questioning the right, of course you have the right to act as you please within the confines of the law, i am actually getting sick of repeating it, my gripe is with the sudden pontification of charlie hebdo and its staff who got killed. Death doesnt change facts.
And stalked? how am i stalked? you know questioning things doesnt make on one side or the other, it just makes you a free thinker.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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my friend, i am not questioning the right, of course you have the right to act as you please within the confines of the law, i am actually getting sick of repeating it, my gripe is with the sudden pontification of charlie hebdo and its staff who got killed. Death doesnt change facts.
And stalked? how am i stalked? you know questioning things doesnt make on one side or the other, it just makes you a free thinker.
Your discourse makes it sound as if you believe muslims are being persecuted through cartoons and ridicule in Europe.

As for the pontification of Charlie Hebdo.. It is to be expected when people are killed in a terrorist attack. People become virtually holy when they die the normal way. I agree that there is no sense in that either, but you know that's how it is. I myself will stay away from the iamcharliehashtags, I will say that.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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Your discourse makes it sound as if you believe muslims are being persecuted through cartoons and ridicule in Europe.

As for the pontification of Charlie Hebdo.. It is to be expected when people are killed in a terrorist attack. People become virtually holy when they die the normal way. I agree that there is no sense in that either, but you know that's how it is. I myself will stay away from the iamcharliehashtags, I will say that.
where did i allude to that?
 

Valerio.

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Jul 5, 2014
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I read a bit of the thread and all i have to say is that reading news like this or the 2000peoples killed by boko haram just get me so angry....

but i woudn't know how to solve the problem. in a kiddy way i'd shout "let's ban Islam" no good ever came from that religion anyway.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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When? I don't know. In a couple of posts I suppose. It's possible for several people to have that opinion you know.

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Because I'm saying that a democracy needs to protect minorities and not just be the voice of the majority?

That is the opposite of fascist. Not to mention that it's the basis for just about any western democracy. I really think you and Maddy need to read an article or two about democracy. It's not just about who gets most votes you know. A democratic state needs to be far more than that.

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It's not about humour, X. The rare cartoons I've seen didn't strike me as particularly funny.

But it is satire and it is about freedom of speech. If you wanted to joke about 9/11 in the days following 9/11, you had every right to do so. If someone punched you in the face for it, that person would face trial. Perhaps he would have gotten off with a mild sentence, given the circumstances, but nonetheless you would have had the right to joke.

I think it's also important to note that it was a small magazine. It's not as if there are cartoons about Muhammad all over France. You could easily avoid them. It's interesting how you and Rebel do seem to share the feeling of being stalked in a sense. I wonder if that is the overwhelming feeling of muslims throughout Europe as well.

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They still aren't. They're just powerful.
Well whatever it is they are, they exert a lot of influence, snd that didnt happen overnight.
 
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Maddy

Maddy

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    Because I'm saying that a democracy needs to protect minorities and not just be the voice of the majority?

    That is the opposite of fascist. Not to mention that it's the basis for just about any western democracy. I really think you and Maddy need to read an article or two about democracy. It's not just about who gets most votes you know. A democratic state needs to be far more than that
    Mind quoting where I've said that? Otherwise stop lying.

    And yes, your wish for banning political islam (how do you do that anyway) and properly other ideologies is borderline fascism.

    Perhaps, you should read a book on fascism and democracy.
     

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