[Champions League] Nordsjælland vs JUVENTUS (23rd Oct - 2012) (29 Viewers)

LiquidPLP

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2012
12,237
First of all I blame Conte for choosing wrong formation. 3-5-2 doesn't work in Europe because we play too slow with it, we don't use whole pitch but just try to go through the middle with wooden Matri and outmuscled Giovinco in the attack. Classy teams use the whole width of the pitch. Another reason is that we don't have good enough wingers who can win 1vs1 which is vital in this system.

I'll say it 3rd time already: 4-3-3 in CL matches is the way to go. This way we're more balanced, we can put pressing higher on opponents and we can make use of wings. Also playing Giovinco in 3-5-2 is a bad idea. He's more of a winger with his strengths and weaknesses. Matri is useless in games that we don't dominate. We dominate Serie A with 3-5-2 but I guess 4-3-3 would do for us too. In Europe it makes huge difference.

Changes were made too late as for me.

As for me we don't really deserve to go through this group as for now. We lack clinical striker, we all know that. Now we have to do the maths to qualify which shouldn't really happen for a club like Juventus. It's not like we're in a group of death anyway.

Last season one of our strengths was using different formations and I don't understand why we don't use it anymore.
 

Brujitas

Junior Member
Aug 21, 2010
490
I dont blame the 3-5-2. I dont like it generaly, but it works for us. We can pass the ball quite well, we have some nice players in the flanks to play the whole pitch in the line , and it suits us to a certain level, I'm ok with it and Conte is doing a really good job with that formation.
I just dont see it's use tonight.

Last season one of our strengths was using different formations and I don't understand why we don't use it anymore.
:hellyes:
 

Linebreak

Senior Member
Sep 18, 2009
16,022
First of all I blame Conte for choosing wrong formation. 3-5-2 doesn't work in Europe because we play too slow with it, we don't use whole pitch but just try to go through the middle with wooden Matri and outmuscled Giovinco in the attack. Classy teams use the whole width of the pitch. Another reason is that we don't have good enough wingers who can win 1vs1 which is vital in this system.

I'll say it 3rd time already: 4-3-3 in CL matches is the way to go. This way we're more balanced, we can put pressing higher on opponents and we can make use of wings. Also playing Giovinco in 3-5-2 is a bad idea. He's more of a winger with his strengths and weaknesses. Matri is useless in games that we don't dominate. We dominate Serie A with 3-5-2 but I guess 4-3-3 would do for us too. In Europe it makes huge difference.

Changes were made too late as for me.

As for me we don't really deserve to go through this group as for now. We lack clinical striker, we all know that. Now we have to do the maths to qualify which shouldn't really happen for a club like Juventus. It's not like we're in a group of death anyway.

Last season one of our strengths was using different formations and I don't understand why we don't use it anymore.
He's useless period. Even Trezeguet had more skills in general play than him.

We managed to turn it into a group of death, our death.
 

GarfielD

Senior Member
May 21, 2009
13,423
First of all I blame Conte for choosing wrong formation. 3-5-2 doesn't work in Europe because we play too slow with it, we don't use whole pitch but just try to go through the middle with wooden Matri and outmuscled Giovinco in the attack. Classy teams use the whole width of the pitch. Another reason is that we don't have good enough wingers who can win 1vs1 which is vital in this system.

I'll say it 3rd time already: 4-3-3 in CL matches is the way to go. This way we're more balanced, we can put pressing higher on opponents and we can make use of wings. Also playing Giovinco in 3-5-2 is a bad idea. He's more of a winger with his strengths and weaknesses. Matri is useless in games that we don't dominate. We dominate Serie A with 3-5-2 but I guess 4-3-3 would do for us too. In Europe it makes huge difference.

Changes were made too late as for me.

As for me we don't really deserve to go through this group as for now. We lack clinical striker, we all know that. Now we have to do the maths to qualify which shouldn't really happen for a club like Juventus. It's not like we're in a group of death anyway.

Last season one of our strengths was using different formations and I don't understand why we don't use it anymore.
I think that the form of Asamoah as LWB and Pepe's injury are the main reasons why we are stick wit 3-5-2. Its been a while like this (Asa's form and Pepe's injury) and we had good results with it, so maybe Conte is affraid to change it to 4-3-3. Now when Pepe is back, im really curious to see if he will change it up a little.
 

Linebreak

Senior Member
Sep 18, 2009
16,022
I think that the form of Asamoah as LWB and Pepe's injury are the main reasons why we are stick wit 3-5-2. Its been a while like this (Asa's form and Pepe's injury), so maybe Conte is affraid to change it to 4-3-3. Now when Pepe is back, im really curious to see if he will change it up a little.
Our formation will change just for Pepe? Tha fluf!!?
 

JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
74,994
I was monkey chanting myself for paying good money to watch a bunch of uninspired pseudo footballers play in my jersey.
I'd have asked for my jersey back after the game, you'd have thought they could afford their own.

- - - Updated - - -

Except that this time it will be way to hard, nearly impossible I would say!
I suppose we need 7 points, which would mean a draw in Donetsk and win against Chelsea.
 

Emmet

Senior Member
Apr 5, 2006
3,938
the 3-5-2 isn't that effective when your wing backs don't do what they are there to do, i.e. put in good crosses and give the central midfielders options when the middle of the pitch gets congested. PDC was terrible and Isla is still rusty after being out for so long.

Bendtner deserves a start against Catania.
 

GrandeGigi

Senior Member
Sep 18, 2012
1,891
- The ref was absolutely awful.
- Our forwards never really look likely to score.
- We played 3 centre backs against a relative nobody.
- The score is an embarrassment and we are going back to channel 5 again.
- Pissed.
 

Linebreak

Senior Member
Sep 18, 2009
16,022
One thing I will never understand is why we didn't go all out with our formation when we knew this was a must win if we were to progress in Europe.

Big fail tactics wise.
 

delpiero4life

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2010
690
De ceglie put in some great crosses he was far from bad. Vidal was again terrible, and I don't understand the Giovinco hate honestly he was great. Very lively and came close to scoring on many occasions
 

TheLaz

Senior Member
Oct 6, 2011
5,540
First of all I blame Conte for choosing wrong formation. 3-5-2 doesn't work in Europe because we play too slow with it, we don't use whole pitch but just try to go through the middle with wooden Matri and outmuscled Giovinco in the attack. Classy teams use the whole width of the pitch. Another reason is that we don't have good enough wingers who can win 1vs1 which is vital in this system.

I'll say it 3rd time already: 4-3-3 in CL matches is the way to go. This way we're more balanced, we can put pressing higher on opponents and we can make use of wings. Also playing Giovinco in 3-5-2 is a bad idea. He's more of a winger with his strengths and weaknesses. Matri is useless in games that we don't dominate. We dominate Serie A with 3-5-2 but I guess 4-3-3 would do for us too. In Europe it makes huge difference.

Changes were made too late as for me.

As for me we don't really deserve to go through this group as for now. We lack clinical striker, we all know that. Now we have to do the maths to qualify which shouldn't really happen for a club like Juventus. It's not like we're in a group of death anyway.

Last season one of our strengths was using different formations and I don't understand why we don't use it anymore.
Exactly. It's not because our flanks didn't play good enough tonight, it's simply because they're not the right players to break down a defense of great great class. Both Isla and PDC are excellent crossers and plays with great stamina and determination but in one on ones they're not capable of breaking through. I believe a change in tactics should do the job and then for us to take more chances and play wider.

I attended this game and I was surprised by how many times Isla was completely unmarked - not even Pirlo saw him out there and believe me - if Isla was given the chance and told to do so he could have taken on the keeper several times in this game!
 

Nzoric

Grazie Mirko
Jan 16, 2011
37,877
De ceglie put in some great crosses he was far from bad. Vidal was again terrible, and I don't understand the Giovinco hate honestly he was great. Very lively and came close to scoring on many occasions
great :lol:

Vucinic was great, 20 min cameo. Better link up play, better movement, better finishing. That's a great performance. Bothing every chance you get for 90min is not a great performance, it's the opposite.
 

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