[Champions League] Juventus 4-4 Borussia Dortmund [16th September, 2025 21:00 CEST] (8 Viewers)

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Alin

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Jul 27, 2015
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Well, if you expect him to save every shot where he has at least 1% chance of saving it then good luck. Obviously he's not the best goalie in the world but he's not as bad as some people make him to be.
This are two games in a row where he is largely at fault for at least one goal… but now about the BVB game, he was caught completely flat footed on the Nmecha goal which looked like he would have stood a solid chance of saving if he’s focus was actually there instead of jumping superficially, and then on the Couto goal that was simply embarassing, had time to see it, was already close to the near post and somehow the ball went through him in amateur fashion…

Yes he is not all that bad but lately he sure isn’t all that great either, goes from making amazing saves one game to having no reaction in others, his consistency is suspect, which brings into question his reliability.
 

Boksic

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May 11, 2005
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This are two games in a row where he is largely at fault for at least one goal… but now about the BVB game, he was caught completely flat footed on the Nmecha goal which looked like he would have stood a solid chance of saving if he’s focus was actually there, and then on the Couto goal that was simply embarassing, had time to see it, was already close to the near post and somehow the ball went through him in amateur fashion…

Yes he is not all that bad but lately he sure isn’t all that great either, goes from making amazing saves one game to having no reaction on others, his consistency is suspect, which brings into question his reliability.
There was also the one where the Dortmund attacker hit the post when he misjudged the ball and it ended up rolling past him.
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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Man what i love about kelly here is that he was the only one who stopped giving too much fucks about defense and one of the first edge of the box ready to make run forward, and all the time at the right position. Whereas most of our players run to the flanks, he had the audacity and courage to continue, like nothing to lose here, so why not?.

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Lol now who's the fool
Didnt he learn anything on Saturday? Its not over until the old lady sings ;)
 

Alin

FINO ALLA FINE!
Jul 27, 2015
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There was also the one where the Dortmund attacker hit the post when he misjudged the ball and it ended up rolling past him.
I focused more on the goals conceded, but you are right, that one could have just as easily resulted in another goal of his making if it hadn’t hit the post… his whole game was odd when you think about, before all this i was noticing that he was actually coming out at crosses and doing better in that regard but then went on to be bang average in everything else.
 

juve123

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Aug 10, 2017
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This are two games in a row where he is largely at fault for at least one goal… but now about the BVB game, he was caught completely flat footed on the Nmecha goal which looked like he would have stood a solid chance of saving if he’s focus was actually there instead of jumping superficially, and then on the Couto goal that was simply embarassing, had time to see it, was already close to the near post and somehow the ball went through him in amateur fashion…

Yes he is not all that bad but lately he sure isn’t all that great either, goes from making amazing saves one game to having no reaction in others, his consistency is suspect, which brings into question his reliability.
This is story of most of the current generation italian goalkeepers.We were really spoilt by the standards set by buffon and to some extent Szczesny.
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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Banger goals and crazy no quit result again


But, its rare a put a result on a single player.


But this was on Di Gregorio. He caught whatever Onana flu Sommer had in the weekend. Inexcusable goalkeeping in nearly all open play goals. He needs to do better.


Kobel in comparison was good for Dortmund. Despite conceded same amount.
I blame D.G for one goal but the other one is pretty tough to take even if a great GK might save it.
The other 2 were not on him.

Its good to have a great GK but the defense let too many shots without blocking them (and the Kelly handball I still dont see it)
 

The Quazis

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Dec 21, 2012
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This are two games in a row where he is largely at fault for at least one goal… but now about the BVB game, he was caught completely flat footed on the Nmecha goal which looked like he would have stood a solid chance of saving if he’s focus was actually there instead of jumping superficially, and then on the Couto goal that was simply embarassing, had time to see it, was already close to the near post and somehow the ball went through him in amateur fashion…

Yes he is not all that bad but lately he sure isn’t all that great either, goes from making amazing saves one game to having no reaction in others, his consistency is suspect, which brings into question his reliability.
Let's agree to disagree. Nmecha hit really well right next to the post from a close range. There was also plenty of bodies in between DiGre and the ball, referee included I think.
Couto goal I agree, he could have done better but still it was an ideally placed strong shot.

He's no Donnarumma, that's for sure. But he doesn't earn 12mln net either.
 

magician

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Oct 22, 2022
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Well, if you expect him to save every shot where he has at least 1% chance of saving it then good luck. Obviously he's not the best goalie in the world but he's not as bad as some people make him to be.
As I mentioned previously, yildiz's shot that hit the sidebar was a harder situation/shot/save than their 2nd goal against us, their keeper saved it while this handanovich bitch only made a casual jump and half assed reach not fully commiting, I also believe that one of merda's long shot goal was also savable.
 

The Quazis

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Dec 21, 2012
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As I mentioned previously, yildiz's shot that hit the sidebar was a harder situation/shot/save than their 2nd goal against us, their keeper saved it while this handanovich bitch only made a casual jump and half assed reach not fully commiting, I also believe that one of merda's long shot goal was also savable.
Their keeper also conceded Vlahovic' first goal while he was on his weaker foot and under the pressure from the defender so shooting towards the further post was his only chance. Still, he didn't save it. Di Gregorio however saved Guirassy's shot from just a few yards when he perfectly closed the distance protecting Juventus from conceding.

Such comparison make no sense.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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Banger goals and crazy no quit result again


But, its rare a put a result on a single player.


But this was on Di Gregorio. He caught whatever Onana flu Sommer had in the weekend. Inexcusable goalkeeping in nearly all open play goals. He needs to do better.


Kobel in comparison was good for Dortmund. Despite conceded same amount.
Hard to stop first 2 goals.
 

magician

Junior Member
Oct 22, 2022
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Their keeper also conceded Vlahovic' first goal while he was on his weaker foot and under the pressure from the defender so shooting towards the further post was his only chance. Still, he didn't save it. Di Gregorio however saved Guirassy's shot from just a few yards when he perfectly closed the distance protecting Juventus from conceding.

Such comparison make no sense.
you're comparing apple vs orange situation, I didn't and still isn't, I'm comparing edge/outside of the box shot situations from the last 2 games...

1. even in the against Merda game, Sommer (their GK) in the very least touched the ball in both Yildiz and Adzic long range shots despite not being enough, and then in this game Dortmund's GK stopped Yildiz 2nd attempt from outside the box.

2. Compare that to DiGre : he completely stunned in his position 3 times, 2 from Calhanoglu shots, and one from Adeyemi, all 3 shots from outside the box, and then in the Dortmund's 2nd goal, he only made half assed attempt to jump/reach (another shot from the edge of the box btw)... so that's 4 shots from the edge/outside of the box where DiGre didn't react as he should, finally in 3rd Dortmund goal as many have said it was even worse considering the angle and the one situation where nobody disagree that it's completely his fault. Those 5 goals conceded mostly on him, I would give it like 55:45 ratio between his responsibility/ability and our defenders to block those shots.

That it happened back to back in span of 3 days, means he has to be benched to protect everyone's morale IMO.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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I blame D.G for one goal but the other one is pretty tough to take even if a great GK might save it.
The other 2 were not on him.

Its good to have a great GK but the defense let too many shots without blocking them (and the Kelly handball I still dont see it)
I think he should obviously have saved the 3rd goal. Getting beaten there is almost absurd for CL level.

2nd goal I'm not convinced about the more I watch it, but he's too flat-footed. Personally I think he should save it because his starting position should be better, that is an easier one to read. It looks very accurate inside the post but questions about reach again.

1st goal, personally, I think it's almost ridiculous to think he should save it, but because he doesn't dive he gets criticised as people generally don't understand goalkeeping or different styles. The problems are simply because Adeyemi has a screen with the central defender, and his shot was hard and accurate right into the corner. A left footer there would typically curl to the other side, and that is what MDG anticipates in his starting position. Once the shot is made all he can really do is a token dive.

Maybe don't just let opposition attackers shoot from around our box several times per game.
 

mjromeo81

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2022
1,182
Ok I just saw the full 90 (busy day at work today).

What the fuck did i just watch?

I love that we showed character again, but let's be honest here. Dortmund completely threw away the game. Why were they committing 6-7 people forward in attack when they were up a goal with 30 seconds left? Only a team like Dortmund could be up 4-2 at 90+2 and still manage to completely piss away the game.

It is now urgent and essential that we sort out the defensive issues.
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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I think he should obviously have saved the 3rd goal. Getting beaten there is almost absurd for CL level.

2nd goal I'm not convinced about the more I watch it, but he's too flat-footed. Personally I think he should save it because his starting position should be better, that is an easier one to read. It looks very accurate inside the post but questions about reach again.

1st goal, personally, I think it's almost ridiculous to think he should save it, but because he doesn't dive he gets criticised as people generally don't understand goalkeeping or different styles. The problems are simply because Adeyemi has a screen with the central defender, and his shot was hard and accurate right into the corner. A left footer there would typically curl to the other side, and that is what MDG anticipates in his starting position. Once the shot is made all he can really do is a token dive.

Maybe don't just let opposition attackers shoot from around our box several times per game.
Your last point is the biggest issue. The midfield is just allowing way too much space. I'd really like to see a midfield 3 at some point. I dont think the 2 is offering enough cover.

I'm also concerned that we will react too extremely to conceding this many and go the opposite way and become that team that can't score. We need to find balance.
 

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