coach tactics were spot on. Players form gifting blundergoals was the issue. As visual in serie a, we improved alot the past weeks, sadly we couldnt play a normal game, wich we'd never lose
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[Champions League] Frozen Kebab 1-0 JUVENTUS (Dec. 11th 2013) (12 Viewers)
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Away to FCK and home to Galata even if the goals we let in came from individual mistakes, our game was pathetic. Very wrong approach and sloppy performance, we only picked up after the defeat to Fiorentina.
New players taking time to hit their stride? Who do you mean specifically? Tevez has been rocking the league as if he were with the team for five years. I can't remember other new players.
Luck? Teams create their own luck, if they want to be lucky they get lucky. It's all in the attitude you show on the pitch.
The away match to Madrid for me is the epitome of such an attitude. Typical Italian coach who goes by the book that says when down to 10 men sacrifice a forward (without even looking at the situation). He took off Llorente where he should have taken Pirlo off. The irony in it all is that he realized 5 minutes afterwards that Pirlo had nothing to do on the pitch. Now you will tell me all about the balance and playing a team like Madrid at their home turf and the such....losing 2-1 or 5-1 is basically the same, 0 points. Tevez was defending like a madman in that game and could have helped the midfield and when down to 10 men you automatically rely on long balls where Llorente is the best candidate to receive.
Which brings us back to this match, yes we put ourselves in this situation for this match in particular, the previous five matches did and it is the players and the coach who did that.
New players taking time to hit their stride? Who do you mean specifically? Tevez has been rocking the league as if he were with the team for five years. I can't remember other new players.
Luck? Teams create their own luck, if they want to be lucky they get lucky. It's all in the attitude you show on the pitch.
The away match to Madrid for me is the epitome of such an attitude. Typical Italian coach who goes by the book that says when down to 10 men sacrifice a forward (without even looking at the situation). He took off Llorente where he should have taken Pirlo off. The irony in it all is that he realized 5 minutes afterwards that Pirlo had nothing to do on the pitch. Now you will tell me all about the balance and playing a team like Madrid at their home turf and the such....losing 2-1 or 5-1 is basically the same, 0 points. Tevez was defending like a madman in that game and could have helped the midfield and when down to 10 men you automatically rely on long balls where Llorente is the best candidate to receive.
Which brings us back to this match, yes we put ourselves in this situation for this match in particular, the previous five matches did and it is the players and the coach who did that.
I'll ignore your peasant attempt at smartassing for now.
Our team's best thing, is the T-L duo up front, and the CM. Obviously, with pirlo, its best to go 3-5-2.
Against madrid, we played 4-3-2-1 a few times. It was very good but requires 4 fit cm's.
Thing is, our 3-5-2 has done very well. we were extremely solid. A non peasant could see how good our organisation was, but how individual blunders caused by bad form, gave it the opposite view.
WHen form improved, suddenly we pull a winning and clear sheet streek. Not a coincidence. We only gifted blunders before.
Now, we should notice how we are vastly on top in italy allready.
Therefore, we should attempt a minor trebble, of league, cup and europaleague. its just knockouts left, and no big team apart from us fell from the CL
Our team's best thing, is the T-L duo up front, and the CM. Obviously, with pirlo, its best to go 3-5-2.
Against madrid, we played 4-3-2-1 a few times. It was very good but requires 4 fit cm's.
Thing is, our 3-5-2 has done very well. we were extremely solid. A non peasant could see how good our organisation was, but how individual blunders caused by bad form, gave it the opposite view.
WHen form improved, suddenly we pull a winning and clear sheet streek. Not a coincidence. We only gifted blunders before.
Now, we should notice how we are vastly on top in italy allready.
Therefore, we should attempt a minor trebble, of league, cup and europaleague. its just knockouts left, and no big team apart from us fell from the CL
In fact, I could say Gala salvaged the competition by ensuring that a club wouldn't go through with just one win.
If it helps. Fergies Man Utd team couldn't get past teams like those in our group in his early years despite successive Premier league titles until he grew tactically more aware.
Give Conte time dominate Serie A and build a stronger squad as hes still on a learning curve.
As I said if it helps...
Give Conte time dominate Serie A and build a stronger squad as hes still on a learning curve.
As I said if it helps...
Not that it was a cakewalk, but we supremely fucked it up.Thinking back to the last time we were eliminated at the group stage under Ferrara with that embarrassing loss to Bayern, I think I'm more irritated this time because the club clearly played well below its potential.
Its very bad that we started the season with such horrible form indeed. But it was not the formation that caused this. Unlike some people are disperatly trying to state
New players Jack ? How about llorente ? How long before he got himself going ? Not untill the madrid games.
Madrid game jack ? Our midfield was the reason real didnt walk over us. Taking off pirlo would have been instant suicide
New players Jack ? How about llorente ? How long before he got himself going ? Not untill the madrid games.
Madrid game jack ? Our midfield was the reason real didnt walk over us. Taking off pirlo would have been instant suicide
It is fucking simple.. Use EL to change formation.. No more 3-5-2 in Europe..
Buy Nainggolan in Jan, and play 4-3-3..
Nainggolan should replace Pirlo and be used as a defensive DM, so Pogba and Vidal can roam forward when in position..
Yes, we have no wingers, but we can use Gio/Vuci as left attacker/inside forward and Tevez on the right..
Yes, that is not their natural position, but overall much better than 3-5-2.. Especially in Europe..
Yes, we have no prober LB, but Asamoah or Chielini can be used, and again, this will overall be better than 3-5-2..
To all the haters, I repeat, this is the best we can do in Europa...
Buy Nainggolan in Jan, and play 4-3-3..
Nainggolan should replace Pirlo and be used as a defensive DM, so Pogba and Vidal can roam forward when in position..
Yes, we have no wingers, but we can use Gio/Vuci as left attacker/inside forward and Tevez on the right..
Yes, that is not their natural position, but overall much better than 3-5-2.. Especially in Europe..
Yes, we have no prober LB, but Asamoah or Chielini can be used, and again, this will overall be better than 3-5-2..
To all the haters, I repeat, this is the best we can do in Europa...
It is incredibly important for our team and the coach development that we meet the world off two legged knockout games.
We MUST put all efford in europaleague. Especially when we keep ahead in serie a without making an efford
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The golem isnt neccecarely better at that then marchisio, just diffrent, but dont mistake, Pirlo still is our most creative player.
But we need the golem. When we have one of MVPP suspended, we cant play 4-3-2-1. So we need an extra.
TEVEZ IS NOT A WINGER
GIOVINCO IS NOT A STARTER
4-3-3 with giovinco/vucinic would get raped by 3-5-2 who is solid as fuck
we can do better in europe, as showed against madrid. So fuck off
We MUST put all efford in europaleague. Especially when we keep ahead in serie a without making an efford
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The golem isnt neccecarely better at that then marchisio, just diffrent, but dont mistake, Pirlo still is our most creative player.
But we need the golem. When we have one of MVPP suspended, we cant play 4-3-2-1. So we need an extra.
TEVEZ IS NOT A WINGER
GIOVINCO IS NOT A STARTER
4-3-3 with giovinco/vucinic would get raped by 3-5-2 who is solid as fuck
we can do better in europe, as showed against madrid. So fuck off
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