Champions League Final - Who do the Juve faithful support?? (6 Viewers)

Who will you shout for in the final?

  • Maldini's grandad select

  • Liverpool tinkers

  • Fuck both


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Kosta

The Eccentric
Jul 16, 2006
5,775
I don't think that is the case , maybe as we mentioned earlier , much of the players from Inter and Milan who play along with Juve players in the NT , will wish the best to Juve and congratulate for returning to seria A, but because they are colleagues and friends in private life , not because they support Juve.
 

X Æ A-12

Senior Member
Contributor
Sep 4, 2006
87,954
Just imagine some Athletico Madrid fan to support Real Madrid in CL final or in some other competition.. or Real Madrid fan to support Barcelona etc...

And most important, do you really think that Milan fans support Juventus to win Serie A, CL, Coppa Italia or even Serie B only because they are Italians..
were not rooting milan only because theyre italians, remember the amount of spots you have in the CL depends upon the performances. i want milan to win so italy can retain 4 spots thus its easier for juve to qualify for CL. We are supporting them because when they win the whole league wins
 

Kosta

The Eccentric
Jul 16, 2006
5,775
were not rooting milan only because theyre italians, remember the amount of spots you have in the CL depends upon the performances. i want milan to win so italy can retain 4 spots thus its easier for juve to qualify for CL. We are supporting them because when they win the whole league wins
Very good excuse , yeah right

Seria A will be the Champions of Europe :disagree:
 

Kosta

The Eccentric
Jul 16, 2006
5,775
im not saying serie A will be the champions of europe im saying with winners serie A will have more champions league places!!!!!!! so easier for juve to qualify!!!!!!!
CL places for a county are not given by a one year performance only , it's not like if Milan doesn't win , no one will be allowed to play CL football next year.

Read how the ranking and points work, from Alen's post here:
I'll explain that

You can see UEFA country standings here http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2007.html


UEFA counts the results of last five years.
Every win in UEFA cup qualifications rounds brings 1 point. Every draw at the same stage brings 0.5 points.
Every win in UEFA cup groups stages and knock out rounds brings 2 points while every draw brings 1 point.
Qulifying for quarter finals brings bonus 1 point, semifinals bring bonus 2 points, goint to the finals will get the teams another point and winning Uefa Cup gets one more point.

In Champions league, in qualifications for the group stages every win brings 1 point while every draw 0.5 points.
All the teams that qualify for group stages get bonus 3 points.
In group stages every win brings 2 points and every draw 1 point.
Teams that qualify for last 16 in champions league get 1 bonus point and teams get extra point for every time they procede to the 1/4's , 1/2's , big final and winning the final.
In knockouts teams also get 2 points for a win and 1 point for a draw.

To get the points one country has for the particular year, you collect all points teams from that country got and then divide them with the number of teams who play in Europe from the same country.
 

Vidocq

Senior Member
Sep 9, 2006
1,332
were not rooting milan only because theyre italians, remember the amount of spots you have in the CL depends upon the performances. i want milan to win so italy can retain 4 spots thus its easier for juve to qualify for CL. We are supporting them because when they win the whole league wins

So, we should support Inter next year to achieve good result in CL. That's your point..
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
thers no point in arguing about this bcos u know were u stand and i know were i stand so its best if we agree to disagree :pint:
There is no point from your side, you are just keep on saying " Forza Milan, For the good of Juve, and Because I am Italian". I asked reasons, you didn't give any. But you repeated that same line again, and claimed all Italian Juve fans think like that.. What an argument!!

Just imagine some Athletico Madrid fan to support Real Madrid in CL final or in some other competition.. or Real Madrid fan to support Barcelona etc...

And most important, do you really think that Milan fans support Juventus to win Serie A, CL, Coppa Italia or even Serie B only because they are Italians..
and that too :agree:
 

Tobias

Guerriero
Sep 20, 2006
3,777
And yes i support milan to win serie a cos the odds of a foreign team winning the scudetto are so high. Unlike some people i love juve more than hating other teams. Both liverpool and milan and the list goes on have more CL titles than juve so what now im suppose to hate all of them, no im a juve fan not a milan hater. The players shouldnt win the CL for themselves, club and the fans but to catch milan on number of cl titles right. Again why is it okay for you to support liverpool?
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
And yes i support milan to win serie a cos the odds of a foreign team winning the scudetto are so high. Unlike some people i love juve more than hating other teams. Both liverpool and milan and the list goes on have more CL titles than juve so what now im suppose to hate all of them, no im a juve fan not a milan hater. The players shouldnt win the CL for themselves, club and the fans but to catch milan on number of cl titles right. Again why is it okay for you to support liverpool?
I am not supporting Liverpool because they are Liverpool.. I am supporting them because they are playing against my biggest rival, the rival that will give me hard times next season because they reached the final and about to win the CL.. you know why? Because it will give them the ease to get more stronger, how? By

1- receiving extra cash from UEFA for winning it or playing it in the final
2- Because other big players would love to leave their current club and wouldn't hesitate for joining the champion of Europe
3- Buffon or the likes might find it better in terms of career to play in Milan (the new champion of Europe) than to play for Juve (the New team from Serie B who's future is not certain)
4- do you know what would have become if Milan didn't make the final, and even didn't make the CL spot in serie a? I will answer you, we could compete better next season with them, because they would probably sack Ancelotti, and players would leave one after other.

If you still support Milan, what can I tell? that's it from me..
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,975
Some people got manipulated by the "fact" that if Milan win champions league it will do wonders for Italian rating and Italians will keep 4 CL spots.

Let me explain it for the last time :
Italy is now 3rd place in UEFA ratings with 65.802 points. France is at 4 place with 53.656 points. Italians are leading by 12.146 points.

If Milan lose the final the difference between Italy and France will stay the same because there arent any french teams left in champions league or uefa cup.

If Milan win the final, the win will bring 0.429 more points to Italy and the difference between Italy and France won't be 12.146 points but it will be 12.575 points.
Do you think this will change something ? And if Milan wins on penalties then that win won't bring 0.429 more points but only 0.286 more points.

You have to understand the system of getting points. I think its not a fair system but thats what we have for now. If Milan beat Liverpool on penalties then Milan will bring exactly the same number of points ( +0.286) as Palermo brought to Italy earlier this season when they've beaten some team in uefa cup.
 

Red

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Moderator
Nov 26, 2006
47,024
Interesting i have to say....sure not everyone will cheer for his homeland team, too many rivals in football world, but wouldn't you want Celtic or Rangers reaching the finals to give better imagine of the Scottish football league?
I can't fucking stand them or the bigoted tossers that support them and I couldn't stand listening to the gloating if they won and that overrides improving Scotlands image. I danced around my living room when Porto scored the winner against Celtic in the UEFA Cup Final and I hate Rangers more than Celtic.

so you support Aberdeen and juve ??? how can you do that ?? some guys here cant accept this:D
Aberdeen are my first team and I have supported them all my live, I went to my first game when I was 4 and it can ruin my whole week if they lose. Aberdeen have a massive game on Sunday and I will hardly sleep the night before it.

Juve are a clear second to Aberdeen. I started supporting them when they kept losing CL finals and because I enjoyed watching them. Juve losing annoys me but I get over quite quickly
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,975
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4- do you know what would have become if Milan didn't make the final, and even didn't make the CL spot in serie a? I will answer you, we could compete better next season with them, because they would probably sack Ancelotti, and players would leave one after other.

If you still support Milan, what can I tell? that's it from me..
This was a helluva argument, but its too late to use it now. People should have been aware of this when Milan played Celtic,Bayern and Manchester United.
If Bayern eliminated Milan this would have been Ancelottis greatest failure. Lost all chances in serie a, lost the cup, eliminated early in cl. He would have been fired for sure. And Carlo Ancelotti is the creator of this Milan we know today. He brought the winning mentality back afyer 8 years, he brought Nesta, Pirlo, Seedorf, Kaka, Oddo, Jankulovski, Gilardino, Ronaldo. Like its always happening, many of them would have followed the coach and some of them would have left Milan because the new coach would have brought new players or because these champs don't like losing on every front for 3 straight years.
Milan would have been in the same or even worse position than us. Its always hard to do something when changing many players.

Now its probably too late but there are still chances for changes to happen in Milan if they lose the final. After all , it will still be 3 years without winning shit and Berlusconi isnt the man who wants to lose 3 years in a row. He may easily say goodbye to Ancelotti and some star players. Maybe he'll get Ronaldinho, but without the current champs they have and without Ancelotti, Ronaldinho cant do shit in Milan.
And if Milan wins the final not only Milan will keep the stars and the coach but they can easily add Zambrotta to replace Jankulovski, Buffon to replace Dida and Ronaldinho to replace Gilardino.

Whats best for Juve, what do u think ? ;)
 

Vidocq

Senior Member
Sep 9, 2006
1,332
I am not supporting Liverpool because they are Liverpool.. I am supporting them because they are playing against my biggest rival, the rival that will give me hard times next season because they reached the final and about to win the CL.. you know why? Because it will give them the ease to get more stronger, how? By

1- receiving extra cash from UEFA for winning it or playing it in the final
2- Because other big players would love to leave their current club and wouldn't hesitate for joining the champion of Europe
3- Buffon or the likes might find it better in terms of career to play in Milan (the new champion of Europe) than to play for Juve (the New team from Serie B who's future is not certain)
4- do you know what would have become if Milan didn't make the final, and even didn't make the CL spot in serie a? I will answer you, we could compete better next season with them, because they would probably sack Ancelotti, and players would leave one after other.

If you still support Milan, what can I tell? that's it from me..

Some people got manipulated by the "fact" that if Milan win champions league it will do wonders for Italian rating and Italians will keep 4 CL spots.

Let me explain it for the last time :
Italy is now 3rd place in UEFA ratings with 65.802 points. France is at 4 place with 53.656 points. Italians are leading by 12.146 points.

If Milan lose the final the difference between Italy and France will stay the same because there arent any french teams left in champions league or uefa cup.

If Milan win the final, the win will bring 0.429 more points to Italy and the difference between Italy and France won't be 12.146 points but it will be 12.575 points.
Do you think this will change something ? And if Milan wins on penalties then that win won't bring 0.429 more points but only 0.286 more points.

You have to understand the system of getting points. I think its not a fair system but thats what we have for now. If Milan beat Liverpool on penalties then Milan will bring exactly the same number of points ( +0.286) as Palermo brought to Italy earlier this season when they've beaten some team in uefa cup.

This was a helluva argument, but its too late to use it now. People should have been aware of this when Milan played Celtic,Bayern and Manchester United.
If Bayern eliminated Milan this would have been Ancelottis greatest failure. Lost all chances in serie a, lost the cup, eliminated early in cl. He would have been fired for sure. And Carlo Ancelotti is the creator of this Milan we know today. He brought the winning mentality back afyer 8 years, he brought Nesta, Pirlo, Seedorf, Kaka, Oddo, Jankulovski, Gilardino, Ronaldo. Like its always happening, many of them would have followed the coach and some of them would have left Milan because the new coach would have brought new players or because these champs don't like losing on every front for 3 straight years.
Milan would have been in the same or even worse position than us. Its always hard to do something when changing many players.

Now its probably too late but there are still chances for changes to happen in Milan if they lose the final. After all , it will still be 3 years without winning shit and Berlusconi isnt the man who wants to lose 3 years in a row. He may easily say goodbye to Ancelotti and some star players. Maybe he'll get Ronaldinho, but without the current champs they have and without Ancelotti, Ronaldinho cant do shit in Milan.
And if Milan wins the final not only Milan will keep the stars and the coach but they can easily add Zambrotta to replace Jankulovski, Buffon to replace Dida and Ronaldinho to replace Gilardino.

Whats best for Juve, what do u think ? ;)

+rep
 
Sep 14, 2003
5,800
And if Milan wins the final not only Milan will keep the stars and the coach but they can easily add Zambrotta to replace Jankulovski, Buffon to replace Dida and Ronaldinho to replace Gilardino.
Do you say this because of the money they would receive from a victory? You may or may not remember, that although we lost the final in 2003 to Milan, we in fact earned more money.

I don't see there being any difference in their ability to sign/attract players should Milan win or lose.
 

Kosta

The Eccentric
Jul 16, 2006
5,775
No one will want to go into a loser team , thats the difference and by not winning nothing in the past 3 years, some heads is gonna roll
 

soulslider

Rregula sound
May 16, 2006
3,776
I don't think that is the case , maybe as we mentioned earlier , much of the players from Inter and Milan who play along with Juve players in the NT , will wish the best to Juve and congratulate for returning to seria A, but because they are colleagues and friends in private life , not because they support Juve.
:tup:
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,119
How come some of you can´t comprehend that we will never catch Milan in number of Champions League trophies? Some of us care more about CL than a fucking Scudetto which we already have won 29 times. I don´t care about domestic league so much anymore, on the contrary I want Juve to become the most succesful club by numbers of European trophies and this will never happen as long as Milan keeps winning it. That is the biggest reason I couldn´t stand a Milan triumph.
So I suppose with this information we can label you a gloryhunter who only cares about winning trophies?

Perfect.

Are you sure about that..
Considering she stated, "the Juve fans I personally know who happen to be Italian," yeah, I'm pretty sure she's "sure about that."

How can´t you understand that? Milan win will help Juve. Simple economics. :rofl2:
Apparently it's not so simple to people such as yourself..
 

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