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BayernFan

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Feb 17, 2016
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4-5 years ago I never thought I'd say it, but I miss him big time in Munich.

He was sometimes a pain in the ass. But overall he was a good coach for us, even if he didn't get us to a final he secured stability and made us reach 3 semis.

Not to forget a lot of players wants to play under him, City with their endless funds have been lucky having him as their manager.

Pep is by no means perfect and has his flaws. But I'd take him over Kovac, the Bagelsmann etc any day of the week. I also believe he became much less of a tiki taka style manager, he plays different styles now, from 2014 and on we played much more direct football under him.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Problem was the 3-5-2 he wanted to play yesterday.

Bayern has played a 4-2-3-1 formation for more than a decade, the formation that won us two trebles and made us a force to be reckoned with.

Suddenly Nagelsmann wants to change this to a 3-5-2 because this is the formation he used to play in Leipzig. Thing is our players are not really suited for this style, Coman and Sané will be too inverted as they have to cut in all alone and have no support from a full back.

When Bayern was best you had Lahm and Alaba overlapping Robbery all the time, this made the opponents defenders suffer as their full backs often was caught defending 1 against 2 and be driven out of position.

We demolished Barca and other opponents with this in 2012-13 and did the same in 2019-20. Being aggressive as hell on the wings.

With yesterdays line up it meant Coman and Sané would only play inverted roles as none of them are natural defenders getting to the backline, they take defenders on by cutting inside. Coman can get to the backline, but with no full back coming to support him in an overlap he was left to himself.

This meant Villareal had a quite easy time shutting us down. It also didn't make it easier Davies has been out for nearly 4 months and that Pavard is not the kind of full back we need. I guess thats why we are desperate to get Mazraoui from Ajax.
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They never learn, don't fuck with balkans, otherwise you will end up in balkan's gulag

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It's genius when Pep does it for a whole 90 minutes, with an insanely deep squad and 4-5 attackers that would each be a starter for us.

When Allegri does it with half the squad injured, he's a terrorist.
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They've played against Atletico - Liverpool - Atletico in 7 days, had a 1-0 lead to protect and have to play against Liverpool AGAIN in 3 days so its Atletico - Liverpool - Atletico - Liverpool in just 10 DAYS, and Juventus has played Empoli, Fiorentina, Spezia and Sampdoria in 22 days before 2nd leg against Villarreal and also Juventus had nothing to protect, we had to attack and to win that match. Look at Jurgen who was playing with semi-reserve squad.

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Hist

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It's genius when Pep does it for a whole 90 minutes, with an insanely deep squad and 4-5 attackers that would each be a starter for us.

When Allegri does it with half the squad injured, he's a terrorist.
They got outplayed in the 2nd half and couldn't play their football. That wasn't the plan. Watch Peps post match interview and analysis of the game. He said they were lucky were not punished because Atletico had many scoring chances.

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Reaching semi finals and finals doesn't count I thought.

Also, just keep in mind what kind of money he spent at City to not win the CL so far, and at Bayern before where he took over a triple winning team.

Since leaving Barca, his european record is nothing special.

You'd call him a failure if his name was Allegri.
They do but these semi final runs don't make him a legendary coach on their own and no one calls him EuroPep for it.

Ofc he is legendary for his winning brand of football, the CL titles and the dominant league titles in every country.

Actually winning in Europe aside, you do realize it cuts both ways right? If these runs mean so much for Allegri despite not winning anything they would also be meaningful for Pep on their own.
 
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It does help having only coached literally the best squads in the world. Each season at Barca, Bayern, and now City the guy had either an unlimited budget or simply generational talent at his disposal. Yet, he faced some of the most embarrassing defeats with these teams. He has actually underperformed in Europe ever since 2010/2011 IMO.
 

zizinho

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It does help having only coached literally the best squads in the world. Each season at Barca, Bayern, and now City the guy had either an unlimited budget or simply generational talent at his disposal. Yet, he faced some of the most embarrassing defeats with these teams. He has actually underperformed in Europe ever since 2010/2011 IMO.
Losing to Chelsea in 2012 was embarrassing, they should have been up 5-0 in the first half before the Ramires goal
2014 getting smoked by Real with European champions Bayern. I'm not sure Heynckes wins that either, but they don't get embarrassed
2015 can't really fault him, that Barca was something else. Still, 6-2 is too much
2016 lost to Atletico, a inferior team, at the peak of his Bayern run
2017 Monaco Ro.16 lol. After City just made the SF the year prior
2018 5-1 vs Liverpool
2019 Tottenham
2020 Lyon
2021 he finally got the further than Pellegrini, but lost to inferior team in the final
2022 he might win it finally, after 11 years (minus that one year he was on a break). I think they are the favorites now. But if they miss out again, it's gonna be a failed 6 years and they should think of starting something new
 

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