Champions League 2017/2018 (64 Viewers)

RoiLezard

LizardKing in black&white
Apr 7, 2018
1,963
I don’t like the way VAR is influencing our winning attitude and mentality. Yes it could have helped in the CL ko stage but also we must remember that VAR went in our favour many times in the league. I really want us to become that side who wouldn’t care about ref decisions because we would smash any opposition we face in the CL. When we’re too strong and perfect they will fear us with or without VAR we will win finals. It only takes that mamba mentality Kobe had lol
 

Cerval

Senior Member
Feb 20, 2016
26,829
I don’t like the way VAR is influencing our winning attitude and mentality. Yes it could have helped in the CL ko stage but also we must remember that VAR went in our favour many times in the league. I really want us to become that side who wouldn’t care about ref decisions because we would smash any opposition we face in the CL. When we’re too strong and perfect they will fear us with or without VAR we will win finals. It only takes that mamba mentality Kobe had lol
:tup:
 

juventus4life

Senior Member
Apr 21, 2012
4,413
I don’t like the way VAR is influencing our winning attitude and mentality. Yes it could have helped in the CL ko stage but also we must remember that VAR went in our favour many times in the league. I really want us to become that side who wouldn’t care about ref decisions because we would smash any opposition we face in the CL. When we’re too strong and perfect they will fear us with or without VAR we will win finals. It only takes that mamba mentality Kobe had lol
But we don't have that mentality for years now. Did you see we immediately switched the mode right after scoring the third goal in Bernabeu? Also we can't and won't spend big compared to the two Spanish teams, PSG and the EPL top teams.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
I don’t like the way VAR is influencing our winning attitude and mentality. Yes it could have helped in the CL ko stage but also we must remember that VAR went in our favour many times in the league. I really want us to become that side who wouldn’t care about ref decisions because we would smash any opposition we face in the CL. When we’re too strong and perfect they will fear us with or without VAR we will win finals. It only takes that mamba mentality Kobe had lol
While I agree to an extent, I really don't think there is a big deal with pointing out referee mistakes in the moments after defeat. The most successful clubs in CL of the last half dozen years, Madrid, Barcelona, and Bayern, cry foul every time a ref decision goes against them (and they lose because of it), and have been doing so for years.

It's when those complaints lead to years of talk about conspiracies and fixed matches and UEFA-ordered favouritism that it becomes a severe mentality problem like you see with clubs like Inter, Roma, Napoli.

When bad referee performances affect the club, I want the management to say so, and to say it's unacceptable in the immediacy. And then I want them to move on from it. Which is what happened against Bayern Munich in 2016 with the Morata disallowed goal when he was a whole metre onside. The management spoke about it the day after and then didn't bring it up again. And aside from Gigi (for obvious reasons), that's what happened with Allegri and the management after Madrid. Within a day or two no one was talking about it.
 

RoiLezard

LizardKing in black&white
Apr 7, 2018
1,963
While I agree to an extent, I really don't think there is a big deal with pointing out referee mistakes in the moments after defeat. The most successful clubs in CL of the last half dozen years, Madrid, Barcelona, and Bayern, cry foul every time a ref decision goes against them (and they lose because of it), and have been doing so for years.

It's when those complaints lead to years of talk about conspiracies and fixed matches and UEFA-ordered favouritism that it becomes a severe mentality problem like you see with clubs like Inter, Roma, Napoli.

When bad referee performances affect the club, I want the management to say so, and to say it's unacceptable in the immediacy. And then I want them to move on from it. Which is what happened against Bayern Munich in 2016 with the Morata disallowed goal when he was a whole metre onside. The management spoke about it the day after and then didn't bring it up again. And aside from Gigi (for obvious reasons), that's what happened with Allegri and the management after Madrid. Within a day or two no one was talking about it.
I agree with you, referee mistakes have to be pointed out and justice needs to be served. Therefore, our management is expected to defend the club's interests but also like you said go from there to improve and find ways to get around corruption and non-sporting barriers. Which leads me back to my previous point, that is to build a well feared and unbeatable side with a great winning mentality (2011 Barça side) that won't bound to any non-sporting bullying. For example, they can start by not selling our best players and weaken the team every year.
 

Cerval

Senior Member
Feb 20, 2016
26,829
While I agree to an extent, I really don't think there is a big deal with pointing out referee mistakes in the moments after defeat. The most successful clubs in CL of the last half dozen years, Madrid, Barcelona, and Bayern, cry foul every time a ref decision goes against them (and they lose because of it), and have been doing so for years.

It's when those complaints lead to years of talk about conspiracies and fixed matches and UEFA-ordered favouritism that it becomes a severe mentality problem like you see with clubs like Inter, Roma, Napoli.

When bad referee performances affect the club, I want the management to say so, and to say it's unacceptable in the immediacy. And then I want them to move on from it. Which is what happened against Bayern Munich in 2016 with the Morata disallowed goal when he was a whole metre onside. The management spoke about it the day after and then didn't bring it up again. And aside from Gigi (for obvious reasons), that's what happened with Allegri and the management after Madrid. Within a day or two no one was talking about it.
Blatant ref mistakes need to be pointed out but with a cool head. I liked how EDF didn't dwell on those though and he focused on what his team should have done better
 

RoiLezard

LizardKing in black&white
Apr 7, 2018
1,963
But we don't have that mentality for years now. Did you see we immediately switched the mode right after scoring the third goal in Bernabeu? Also we can't and won't spend big compared to the two Spanish teams, PSG and the EPL top teams.
Yeah I'm afraid we need time and patience, but also willingness so that kind of mentality can be implemented.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Blatant ref mistakes need to be pointed out but with a cool head. I liked how EDF didn't dwell on those though and he focused on what his team should have done better
:tup:

Allegri did the same. His comments after Madrid were really mild. Same with past errors. He has never really gone overboard here as far as ref decisions go (unlike gol di muntari :lol2: ). It was really only Chiellini, Buffon, and Agnelli who went crazy.

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I agree with you, referee mistakes have to be pointed out and justice needs to be served. Therefore, our management is expected to defend the club's interests but also like you said go from there to improve and find ways to get around corruption and non-sporting barriers. Which leads me back to my previous point, that is to build a well feared and unbeatable side with a great winning mentality (2011 Barça side) that won't bound to any non-sporting bullying. For example, they can start by not selling our best players and weaken the team every year.
:agree:
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
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English TV - Looking for a football pundit

Qualifications: limited vocabulary, former alcoholic, only watch Premier League teams, head stuck up in your own ass
 

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