Champions League 2016/2017 (37 Viewers)
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is true. Maybe theres a reason why we have won so few CLs
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Imissthat
he ran like a crazy train ..... the napoli defenders didnt know what hit them,
is true. Maybe theres a reason why we have won so few CLs
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Imissthat
he ran like a crazy train ..... the napoli defenders didnt know what hit them,
While we have underperformed, considering we were favourites in 6 of our 8 CL finals, a lot of that is just down the nature of football, where the strongest team doesn't necessarily win a one-off final. The fact we get to the final as often as we have, beating teams over two legs where superior sides generally have a much bigger advantage in that they rarely play two poor games in a row, shows we have been very successful and very good.
We must be the unluckiest team in the world then.
But being serious, i think this only applies to that juve team who lost those finals in the 90s. Our beloved 2003 team was not a machine like that prime del piero team of the 90s....we had great players no doubt.. but relied on nedved way too much. Our recent final lost against barca.. i have no regrets..we tried.
But still, i maintain my point that we need to be more ruthless..we need to have more skillfull and direct players. We are not barcelona or madrid, i get that... but those players re needed for certain situations.
But being serious, i think this only applies to that juve team who lost those finals in the 90s. Our beloved 2003 team was not a machine like that prime del piero team of the 90s....we had great players no doubt.. but relied on nedved way too much. Our recent final lost against barca.. i have no regrets..we tried.
But still, i maintain my point that we need to be more ruthless..we need to have more skillfull and direct players. We are not barcelona or madrid, i get that... but those players re needed for certain situations.
The best team doesn't always win in a one-off... the more matches two teams play, the more likely it is that the better team will come out on top in the head-to-head.
I mean, one of the arguments against Juve cheating and buying refs in Italy is that we suck in europe, because of nonsense like what you just posted about us not winning there. We're one of the most successful teams of all time in Europe. We have lost finals, but all the same we've been to 8 of them.
In the modern era, the last 20 years... We've played in 5 CL finals (the most of any club tied with Real Madrid and Bayern Munich). Unfortunately we have only won 1 of those 5 finals. But it doesn't negate the fact that we won right through the knockouts in Europe as many times as anyone. And that's with basically 5-7 years thrown away due to Calciopoli.
Real Madrid has gone 5 for 5 in their finals... 1 of them they beat Atletico Madrid in extra time after scoring to tie the match deep into injury time. Another they beat us with an offside goal.
It's nonsense to suggest we haven't been incredibly good in Europe, or that our footballing philosophy doesn't work in Europe. It clearly does.
I mean, one of the arguments against Juve cheating and buying refs in Italy is that we suck in europe, because of nonsense like what you just posted about us not winning there. We're one of the most successful teams of all time in Europe. We have lost finals, but all the same we've been to 8 of them.
In the modern era, the last 20 years... We've played in 5 CL finals (the most of any club tied with Real Madrid and Bayern Munich). Unfortunately we have only won 1 of those 5 finals. But it doesn't negate the fact that we won right through the knockouts in Europe as many times as anyone. And that's with basically 5-7 years thrown away due to Calciopoli.
Real Madrid has gone 5 for 5 in their finals... 1 of them they beat Atletico Madrid in extra time after scoring to tie the match deep into injury time. Another they beat us with an offside goal.
It's nonsense to suggest we haven't been incredibly good in Europe, or that our footballing philosophy doesn't work in Europe. It clearly does.
Why? Between us and Atletico Madrid, there is very good evidence that defensive-first is a mindset that still works in Europe. Just because Atletico lost two finals to Madrid by the tiniest of margins (especially the first where they were seconds away from winning), and we lost to Barca although again by the tiniest of margins considering it is 1-1 60+ minutes in when the Pogba incident occurred....
I'd say that's good evidence that our mindset is just fine in Europe.
I'd say that's good evidence that our mindset is just fine in Europe.
Sarri and ADL both said Napoli dominated "the best team in the world" for most of the match, and it shows they are basically on the same level now. 
You simply can't play the way Napoli do and expect to ever beat Real Madrid.
We beat CL holders Madrid and were a 50/50 penalty incident from going up 2-1 against Barca with 20 minutes left.
We could have won playing that exact way. Unfortunately we didn't, but it doesn't invalidate the football we play.
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Not unless you have the firepower to match which Napoli clearly doesn't.
Inferior teams don't win leagues or in Europe playing all-out attacking football. That's what Napoli and Roma never figure out in their deluded quests to play beautiful football and go toe-to-toe with the best teams around. You don't outdo those teams guns blazing.
We could have won playing that exact way. Unfortunately we didn't, but it doesn't invalidate the football we play.
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Not unless you have the firepower to match which Napoli clearly doesn't.
Inferior teams don't win leagues or in Europe playing all-out attacking football. That's what Napoli and Roma never figure out in their deluded quests to play beautiful football and go toe-to-toe with the best teams around. You don't outdo those teams guns blazing.
Yeah but I can list some facts that put defensive minded football at disadvantage
1. Fact, you win in football by outscoring your opponent, you can build literal concrete wall on your goal but if you are not able to outscore your opponent, you won't win that game. My gut say that if an extensive research and experiment being run that pit defensive players against offensive players all over the world, the offensive ones would outperform the defensive ones. Well imagine yourself, a team full of chiellini vs a team full of higuain, a team full of maldini vs a team full of ronaldo, a team full of gattuso vs a team full of kaka, etc.
2. Fact, offensive football sell more and worth more $$$, like it or not, the zach of football fans are in utter tiny minority of the market, that is just how the world works.
3. Fact, cl winners and annual contenders are dominated by offensive minded teams, the defensive minded ones tend to just won once in a while and often turned into mediocrity afterward.
4. Fact, even in this forum, we are more scared to play against offensive minded teams.
The facts are in favor toward offensive football.
1. Fact, you win in football by outscoring your opponent, you can build literal concrete wall on your goal but if you are not able to outscore your opponent, you won't win that game. My gut say that if an extensive research and experiment being run that pit defensive players against offensive players all over the world, the offensive ones would outperform the defensive ones. Well imagine yourself, a team full of chiellini vs a team full of higuain, a team full of maldini vs a team full of ronaldo, a team full of gattuso vs a team full of kaka, etc.
2. Fact, offensive football sell more and worth more $$$, like it or not, the zach of football fans are in utter tiny minority of the market, that is just how the world works.
3. Fact, cl winners and annual contenders are dominated by offensive minded teams, the defensive minded ones tend to just won once in a while and often turned into mediocrity afterward.
4. Fact, even in this forum, we are more scared to play against offensive minded teams.
The facts are in favor toward offensive football.
The years they won Bundesliga were the years they were best defensively. In 2011 they allowed 22 goals against (best in league) and in 2012 they allowed 26 goals against (2nd best in league).
The next two years they allowed 42 and 38 goals and finished a mile behind Bayern. 25 points and 19 points back. Even though they scored more goals in these seasons.
Ultra-defensive play isn't required, but defensive solidity at the back is. Borussia is a perfect example of it by seeing how far they fell off as soon as they started leaking goals at the back.
The next two years they allowed 42 and 38 goals and finished a mile behind Bayern. 25 points and 19 points back. Even though they scored more goals in these seasons.
Ultra-defensive play isn't required, but defensive solidity at the back is. Borussia is a perfect example of it by seeing how far they fell off as soon as they started leaking goals at the back.
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