He was given a chance before his injury and performed well, its only a matter of time before he is given a spot in the starting 11
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I can't think of any either to be honest.
Basically what Ahmed says below. How are we to know how they would play in our team if they are at another club?
Agreed.
What bothers me the most is how much we spend on an already young player like Melo/Diego when we can just as easily find our own if we were to put more effort into scouting. Teams that have the jovetic's, aguero's, fabregas's and de rossis have the luxury of having years and years of top quality world class football OR an obscene amount of money injected into their bank accounts. And what did these kind of players cost these clubs? Hardly anything compared to what they are worth now. Our players, however are deemed not good enough yet somehow still labeled "prospects" but are sent away to develope? It also seems shady to me that we send our players to another club to do our dirty work for us in training them as we "keep a watchful eye" on their progress.
Exactly. How can we continue to dominate competitions but still our players can't cut it at the senior level. We simply can't afford to continue to buy someone elses "project". It just isn't right when we have our own sitting in our own backyard. It's just bad business.
All excellent products and all will be on loan somewhere for the next 2 years or more.
Look Os, try to think outside the box. (not intended as in insult
) but take Marchisio for example. Do you think for a second that he would be where he was now if it wasn't for all the injuries the last two seasons to our midfield?? The only reason Ranieri played him was because he didn't have a choice. Same for Giovinco. When neddy was tired or hurt he played and even then it was because Sali or DC were forced to play other positions due to injury or tactical changes. Marchisio and Gio have only been used when ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. But now, given the CHANCE to play (because of injuries mind you) he has blossomed into a great player. It is shitty to do that to a hot young talent like those two. To only play as a last resort? That is one of my problems and Ciro seems to be doing the same thing as well. The last 3 games were perfect of Gio to play, and he got 1 game out of tactical necessity and injuries.
Here is food for thought. Let's say we have all injuries gone. Everyone is healthy and we play our top 11 and most experience which means no Gio or possibly Marchisio. Lets say we continue all season close to if not completely injury free while marchisio/gio ride the bench and play once a month or so like they have or might (especially Gio). And the time comes when DP retires, Trez leaves and we sell Tiago/Poulsen. Now we throw the two into the first team and expect wonders. We expect them to fill the shows of Alessandro Del Piero or to play like Melo/Sissoko and run the midfield and solve all our problems. Is it fair to never play them and allow them to integrate, grow, and mature into their own so they are ready to fill that void? I don;t think that is going to happen when they can't get the playing time with their current team members and build that experience and chemistry. They aren't kids anymore. I have been hearing Cesc Fabregas for years now...literally, years and how old is he? Gio is what 22 or 23 and we have been "hearing" about him for some time and has he been given anywhere CLOSE to the amount of time Cesc, Jovetic, Pato, Aguero, Balotelli, Dzeko, etc have been given? Come on man, can you imagine our youth and what they would have brought this club had we had showed that same faith that other clubs have given their youth? The pay off is priceless in terms of wages, sold tickets to watch the next best thing, shirts sales, marketing gigs, whatever the case is that these world class talents bring. Never mind the 45million dollar fees THAT WE WONT BE PAYING BECAUSE WE WONT HAVE TOO would be non existent. Imagine a fully integrated Gio/Marchiso/Rossi/Iago, etc and how much transfer money wouldn't be spend on those positions that we would have if we didn't use them. It is crazy! I can't believe we are falling into this pit that almost feels like what Inter is in. Import import import!! I don't mind a foreigner here and there...not at all. But when you waste a talent like gio, lost someone like criscito and loan players out to benefit other clubs temporarily while losing grip on your own youth is ridiculous to me. Now you may take it as me bashing ciro for wasting youth, primarily youth he helped create. I look at it more like looking for the "quick fix" though mostly always much more expensive than the long term and more stable solution which is spending the money wisely on youth, developing them but also just as important having the scouting network that allows JUVENTUS FC to find the next jovetic, pato, aguero, or develope the next Messi, Cesc, Santon or balotelli. Why is it we are always the ones having to spend the mega millions when it is so simple for some other clubs?
Look at the core of our youth yes, but with 50+ million being shelled out to another club that paid pennies for these players is also economically unstable of that is always our answer for success. BLAH...i don't want to be the next Inter or Real Madrid. Look at Manure, yes they pay a lot for big players but they are HUGE on youth and look what they win.
Marchisio and Giovinco are no longer youngsters. Fabregas , santon and balotelli are youngsters....
Just remember how he got that. The players in front of him were injured and he got that way IMO with a little luck. As Martin says....I might be wrong, deal with it.
Basically what Ahmed says below. How are we to know how they would play in our team if they are at another club?
Agreed.
What bothers me the most is how much we spend on an already young player like Melo/Diego when we can just as easily find our own if we were to put more effort into scouting. Teams that have the jovetic's, aguero's, fabregas's and de rossis have the luxury of having years and years of top quality world class football OR an obscene amount of money injected into their bank accounts. And what did these kind of players cost these clubs? Hardly anything compared to what they are worth now. Our players, however are deemed not good enough yet somehow still labeled "prospects" but are sent away to develope? It also seems shady to me that we send our players to another club to do our dirty work for us in training them as we "keep a watchful eye" on their progress.
Exactly. How can we continue to dominate competitions but still our players can't cut it at the senior level. We simply can't afford to continue to buy someone elses "project". It just isn't right when we have our own sitting in our own backyard. It's just bad business.
All excellent products and all will be on loan somewhere for the next 2 years or more.
Look Os, try to think outside the box. (not intended as in insult
) but take Marchisio for example. Do you think for a second that he would be where he was now if it wasn't for all the injuries the last two seasons to our midfield?? The only reason Ranieri played him was because he didn't have a choice. Same for Giovinco. When neddy was tired or hurt he played and even then it was because Sali or DC were forced to play other positions due to injury or tactical changes. Marchisio and Gio have only been used when ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. But now, given the CHANCE to play (because of injuries mind you) he has blossomed into a great player. It is shitty to do that to a hot young talent like those two. To only play as a last resort? That is one of my problems and Ciro seems to be doing the same thing as well. The last 3 games were perfect of Gio to play, and he got 1 game out of tactical necessity and injuries.Here is food for thought. Let's say we have all injuries gone. Everyone is healthy and we play our top 11 and most experience which means no Gio or possibly Marchisio. Lets say we continue all season close to if not completely injury free while marchisio/gio ride the bench and play once a month or so like they have or might (especially Gio). And the time comes when DP retires, Trez leaves and we sell Tiago/Poulsen. Now we throw the two into the first team and expect wonders. We expect them to fill the shows of Alessandro Del Piero or to play like Melo/Sissoko and run the midfield and solve all our problems. Is it fair to never play them and allow them to integrate, grow, and mature into their own so they are ready to fill that void? I don;t think that is going to happen when they can't get the playing time with their current team members and build that experience and chemistry. They aren't kids anymore. I have been hearing Cesc Fabregas for years now...literally, years and how old is he? Gio is what 22 or 23 and we have been "hearing" about him for some time and has he been given anywhere CLOSE to the amount of time Cesc, Jovetic, Pato, Aguero, Balotelli, Dzeko, etc have been given? Come on man, can you imagine our youth and what they would have brought this club had we had showed that same faith that other clubs have given their youth? The pay off is priceless in terms of wages, sold tickets to watch the next best thing, shirts sales, marketing gigs, whatever the case is that these world class talents bring. Never mind the 45million dollar fees THAT WE WONT BE PAYING BECAUSE WE WONT HAVE TOO would be non existent. Imagine a fully integrated Gio/Marchiso/Rossi/Iago, etc and how much transfer money wouldn't be spend on those positions that we would have if we didn't use them. It is crazy! I can't believe we are falling into this pit that almost feels like what Inter is in. Import import import!! I don't mind a foreigner here and there...not at all. But when you waste a talent like gio, lost someone like criscito and loan players out to benefit other clubs temporarily while losing grip on your own youth is ridiculous to me. Now you may take it as me bashing ciro for wasting youth, primarily youth he helped create. I look at it more like looking for the "quick fix" though mostly always much more expensive than the long term and more stable solution which is spending the money wisely on youth, developing them but also just as important having the scouting network that allows JUVENTUS FC to find the next jovetic, pato, aguero, or develope the next Messi, Cesc, Santon or balotelli. Why is it we are always the ones having to spend the mega millions when it is so simple for some other clubs?
Look at the core of our youth yes, but with 50+ million being shelled out to another club that paid pennies for these players is also economically unstable of that is always our answer for success. BLAH...i don't want to be the next Inter or Real Madrid. Look at Manure, yes they pay a lot for big players but they are HUGE on youth and look what they win.
Marchisio and Giovinco are no longer youngsters. Fabregas , santon and balotelli are youngsters....
Just remember how he got that. The players in front of him were injured and he got that way IMO with a little luck. As Martin says....I might be wrong, deal with it.
And let me just add one more thing: well actually its a few but all ties into one point. Just look at the rumors surrounding our future mercatos. I can't believe this hasn't been addressed yet....
Kjaer, Bocchetti, Dzeko, Jovetic, Cassano, Mascherano, Motta, and Rafinha. All these players I mentioned will be expensive, and the most incredible thing is all of these players are part of another teams youth project or close to it. All the respective clubs took a gamble on these players and in turn will make millions more off of them. Sadly, we are the club they will profit from because we will shell out another 20-25m for almost all of them just like we did with Diego/Melo. And how much did these players cost their current clubs?
Another fun one is Grosso. Why when we could (should) have had Criscito? No BS about he wanted Genoa. He wanted them because they WANTED to give him a chance. It's called faith guys, human emotion is attracted to it. A soul yearns for a source of faith and when you are following your dream and a club that shows faith in your ability its the sign of an open door. Criscito's door at Juve was closed and who was it closed for? Molinaro??? fuck that, you are telling me that a weak Criscito at the beginning of the 07/08 season showed less promise than that of thee Cristian Molinaro??
Our future mercato's are all pegged that that of smarter teams. I feel like we are the guinea pigs just running and running not making any ground. We base our transfers after other teams "find" the talents. That is the way it has begun. How many millions are we going to have to spend and how many frustrating seasons are we going to have to endure before we taste success again? That is what I love about Sergio's posts. I love the last few pages of his wisdom because it sheds light on our more illustrious past and achievements. Ladies and gentleman we aren't heading in a pleasant direction when we are months ahead of the next mercato praying we sign a new RB or striker or LB when we literally have the answers right in our fucking laps. Like he said....fuck the Emersons and Viera's....we have Marrone, Ariaudo, Iago, Daud G.Giovinco, and Immobile...fucking use them.
Man I sound like Andy tonight
Kjaer, Bocchetti, Dzeko, Jovetic, Cassano, Mascherano, Motta, and Rafinha. All these players I mentioned will be expensive, and the most incredible thing is all of these players are part of another teams youth project or close to it. All the respective clubs took a gamble on these players and in turn will make millions more off of them. Sadly, we are the club they will profit from because we will shell out another 20-25m for almost all of them just like we did with Diego/Melo. And how much did these players cost their current clubs?
Another fun one is Grosso. Why when we could (should) have had Criscito? No BS about he wanted Genoa. He wanted them because they WANTED to give him a chance. It's called faith guys, human emotion is attracted to it. A soul yearns for a source of faith and when you are following your dream and a club that shows faith in your ability its the sign of an open door. Criscito's door at Juve was closed and who was it closed for? Molinaro??? fuck that, you are telling me that a weak Criscito at the beginning of the 07/08 season showed less promise than that of thee Cristian Molinaro??
Our future mercato's are all pegged that that of smarter teams. I feel like we are the guinea pigs just running and running not making any ground. We base our transfers after other teams "find" the talents. That is the way it has begun. How many millions are we going to have to spend and how many frustrating seasons are we going to have to endure before we taste success again? That is what I love about Sergio's posts. I love the last few pages of his wisdom because it sheds light on our more illustrious past and achievements. Ladies and gentleman we aren't heading in a pleasant direction when we are months ahead of the next mercato praying we sign a new RB or striker or LB when we literally have the answers right in our fucking laps. Like he said....fuck the Emersons and Viera's....we have Marrone, Ariaudo, Iago, Daud G.Giovinco, and Immobile...fucking use them.
Man I sound like Andy tonight
FFS take a chill pill, we are hardly at the appocalypse yet. Jeez, It's really like you're manifesting before the shit hits the fan.
