Cartoon anger is a misrepresentation (8 Viewers)

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,382
#43
hambon said:
Bill of Rights
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
This has to do with the USA, we live on earth!
 

Sadomin

Senior Member
Apr 5, 2005
7,327
#44
ReBeL said:
It's the queen, not a man in the street...
The queen is politically counted as anyone walking around on the street. This is not Jordan or Syria, this is Denmark. If you'd bothered to read my earlier post you'd understand.
 

Dhaliwich

Junior Member
Aug 24, 2003
82
#47
ReBeL said:
It's not because of the drawings themselves...

It's because Denmark has an army in Iraq...

It's because the Danish queen insulted Islam many times...

-------------------------------------------------------

We must show our opposition to Islam, says Danish queen
By Hannah Cleaver in Berlin
(Filed: 15/04/2005)

Queen Margrethe II of Denmark has called on the country "to show our opposition to Islam", regardless of the opprobium such a stance provokes abroad.

Her comments further undermined the image of Denmark as a liberal haven for those seeking a new life in northern Europe.


Queen Margrethe II
The Danish government has already been accused of fuelling xenophobia by introducing measures which effectively closed the country to asylum seekers.

But in overtly political passages from an official biography published yesterday Queen Margrethe makes comments certain to complicate her nation's relationship with Muslims.

She said: "We are being challenged by Islam these years - globally as well as locally. It is a challenge we have to take seriously. We have let this issue float about for too long because we are tolerant and lazy.

"We have to show our opposition to Islam and we have to, at times, run the risk of having unflattering labels placed on us because there are some things for which we should display no tolerance."

"And when we are tolerant, we must know whether it is because of convenience or conviction."

The Queen, who turns 65 tomorrow and has reigned since 1972, wields no political power but does occasionally comment on political issues.

Denmark has seriously limited immigration in the past three years and the anti-immigrant Danish People's Party, an ally of the centre-Right government, has pushed through laws making it harder to bring in foreign spouses or qualify for asylum.

The queen told her biographer, Annelise Bistrup, apparently referring to Muslim fundamentalists: "There is something impressive about people for whom religion imbues their existence, from dusk to dawn, from cradle to grave."

She said she understood how disaffected young Muslims might find refuge in religion. This tendency should be fought by encouraging Muslims to learn Danish so they could integrate better, she said.

"We should not be content with living next to each other. We should rather live together."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/15/wqueen15.xml

------------------------------------

Well, this small country wants to stand in front of Islam...

This is really rediculous...

Dude, that's just not true... Check your sources before you post something!


What our queen said, was that we should find a way to oppose the NEGATIVE sides of islam, not that crap you just posted. And please don't insult the queen, she is a representation of the people of Denmark, not the govornment.
 

Maresca

Senior Member
Aug 23, 2004
8,235
#48
Enron said:
You do understand that the newspaper is from Denmark? And they make fun of a lot of people, ideas, and religion. Have you seen the cartoons? All of them? Even the ones that don't make fun of Islam? And 400 years ago we were in the Dark Ages and the "modern" world was quite uncivilized. And really how much older is Christianity that Islam? You cannot say because Islam is such a young religion that its followers should be allowed to be fanatical and upset all the time. Thats like saying the United States is young, so we can take over who we want.

* Maybe I can find the cartoons and post them for examination.
just for making my view clear. I do not think that the reaction of moslems is OK. actionly I hate this behaiviour, and it is a shame. But I know at the same time in which culture and under which conditions these people are living, most of these people have nothing else in their mind exept "americans and the west hate us" "they try to destroy Islam" "Americans help Israel" "Americans are in Irak". because of this I am not surprised how a part of "moslems" are reacting.
 
OP
Zé Tahir

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
Moderator
Dec 10, 2004
29,281
  • Thread Starter
  • Thread Starter #49
    Sadomin said:
    To those who have yet to see them, here are some of the 12 caricatures:
    Kindly remove these please.



    It's seems that a lot of you have failed to see the point of the article. It is stating that the whole racas surrounding this isn't as blown as it seems. Most muslims don't support this, infact there is mention of gov'ts being involved in instigating matters.

    Another point I'd like to make is that unfortunately this whole freedom of press has gotten way out of hand. If you accept cartoons of Jesus then that's fine; you want to draw up naughty pictures of your mothers and sisters, that's fine, but leave ours out. You advertize peace in the world? You want the whole world to sing democracy? Is this your way of inviting people into your "home"? Just think about it for a second. Yes it is allowed b/c of freedom of speech/press, but seriously, you're only causing people to move away from you.
     

    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
    22,871
    #50
    Dhaliwich said:
    Dude, that's just not true... Check your sources before you post something!


    What our queen said, was that we should find a way to oppose the NEGATIVE sides of islam, not that crap you just posted. And please don't insult the queen, she is a representation of the people of Denmark, not the govornment.

    I posted the link of Daily Telegraph which is a respected English newspaper...

    Or don't you think also that England's newspapers are much better than your silly newspapers...

    Your queen doesn't deserve respect after what she said...
     

    JCK

    Biased
    JCK
    May 11, 2004
    125,382
    #51
    Zé Tahir said:
    Kindly remove these please.



    It's seems that a lot of you have failed to see the point of the article. It is stating that the whole racas surrounding this isn't as blown as it seems. Most muslims don't support this, infact there is mention of gov'ts being involved in instigating matters.

    Another point I'd like to make is that unfortunately this whole freedom of press has gotten way out of hand. If you accept cartoons of Jesus then that's fine; you want to draw up naughty pictures of your mothers and sisters, that's fine, but leave ours out. You advertize peace in the world? You want the whole world to sing democracy? Is this your way of inviting people into your "home"? Just think about it for a second. Yes it is allowed b/c of freedom of speech/press, but seriously, you're only causing people to move away from you.
    It is not that we accept cartoons of Jesus or any oter form, but we do not react in a barbaric manner that reminds us of the dark ages for something as silly as a newspaper caricature.
     

    Enron

    Tickle Me
    Moderator
    Oct 11, 2005
    75,661
    #52
    Maresca said:
    just for making my view clear. I do not think that the reaction of moslems is OK. actionly I hate this behaiviour, and it is a shame. But I know at the same time in which culture and under which conditions these people are living, most of these people have nothing else in their mind exept "americans and the west hate us" "they try to destroy Islam" "Americans help Israel" "Americans are in Irak". because of this I am not surprised how a part of "moslems" are reacting.
    My friend. I know not all muslims are reacting like this. And comments were only towards those who arent sensible enough to realize it was a joke. I think we can all agree that these actions must stop as Jeeks said above.
     

    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
    22,871
    #53
    Jeeks said:
    It is not that we accept cartoons of Jesus or any oter form, but we do not react in a barbaric manner that reminds us of the dark ages for something as silly as a newspaper caricature.
    But how do you describe Barbaric humilation for the symbol of more than billion people??
     

    JCK

    Biased
    JCK
    May 11, 2004
    125,382
    #54
    Maresca said:
    just for making my view clear. I do not think that the reaction of moslems is OK. actionly I hate this behaiviour, and it is a shame. But I know at the same time in which culture and under which conditions these people are living, most of these people have nothing else in their mind exept "americans and the west hate us" "they try to destroy Islam" "Americans help Israel" "Americans are in Irak". because of this I am not surprised how a part of "moslems" are reacting.
    What does a church have to do with them then? What do civilians cars in a rich Christian area have to do with their reaction then, how do you give an excuse to that?
     

    Hambon

    Lion of the Desert
    Apr 22, 2005
    8,073
    #56
    Sadomin said:
    I'd like to know where you live since if it's in a Western nation you live up to the sad stereotype of the never-adjusting immigrant, and if you live in the Middle East you obviously need to learn about the customs and laws in Europe.

    Sadomin....that avatar is not funny at all....what is funny is your stereotyping of others and thier right to thier speech and views. I am an Arab-american & i have lived 20 years in america and the rest here in the middle east. I can say for my self that i have seen the good & bad from both places. One thing is that Politics is allways getting mixed up with religion these days. Okay America is only here for the oil but we all know that there are far greater concerns than just oil.

    I read arab newspapers daily and i have yet to see any religious images of any of the prophets. The only images are that of political figures. When people are given the freedom of speech they should take in to consideration how thier actions will react. If the Danish people dont want to appologies thats all them. Also for the burning and destruction of embassies caused by angry muslims. That i also condone. But one thing i dont is the lack of respect they have towards Islam. Never in my life have i seen such an act. It is beyond disrespectfull...it is out right dirty. This act shows the immaturity of Newspapers and there image. I have never seen any images of jesus or anyother prophet used as an idol of bad imagery....only in western media.

    To make my point very clear. The right of Freedom of speech lies on a very thin line& should not be takin for granted.
     
    OP
    Zé Tahir

    Zé Tahir

    JhoolayLaaaal!
    Moderator
    Dec 10, 2004
    29,281
  • Thread Starter
  • Thread Starter #57
    Jeeks said:
    It is not that we accept cartoons of Jesus or any oter form, but we do not react in a barbaric manner that reminds us of the dark ages for something as silly as a newspaper caricature.
    No, you do accept them, that's why they are everywhere. By now you are all used to it, it's an accepted aberration now. Point is, these people who are reacting are just looking for reasons to react and we all know that. I bet 99% of them couldn't sit down and write a whole page over why they're upset. Second, what this article shows is that most people are not on the streets and burning embassies, and everyone should know that.
     

    Maresca

    Senior Member
    Aug 23, 2004
    8,235
    #58
    Jeeks said:
    What does a church have to do with them then? What do civilians cars in a rich Christian area have to do with their reaction then, how do you give an excuse to that?
    actionly there is no excuse, these people who do this things have nothing else on their mind exept relligion, they consider themselves in war with other relligions, contries and people who think differently. they do not see things like I and you do.
     

    Enron

    Tickle Me
    Moderator
    Oct 11, 2005
    75,661
    #59
    Zé Tahir said:
    Kindly remove these please.



    It's seems that a lot of you have failed to see the point of the article. It is stating that the whole racas surrounding this isn't as blown as it seems. Most muslims don't support this, infact there is mention of gov'ts being involved in instigating matters.

    Another point I'd like to make is that unfortunately this whole freedom of press has gotten way out of hand. If you accept cartoons of Jesus then that's fine; you want to draw up naughty pictures of your mothers and sisters, that's fine, but leave ours out. You advertize peace in the world? You want the whole world to sing democracy? Is this your way of inviting people into your "home"? Just think about it for a second. Yes it is allowed b/c of freedom of speech/press, but seriously, you're only causing people to move away from you.
    I dont think Ive heard Denmark preach Democracy. But anyways different countries have different rules concerning freedom of speech. And while it does sometimes suck when what people have to say offends you. You do have the right to disagree and protest in a civilized manner. And with these rights you can be assured that youre voice will be heard. But people do not have the right to this:
     

    JCK

    Biased
    JCK
    May 11, 2004
    125,382
    #60
    Maresca said:
    actionly there is no excuse, these people who do this things have nothing else on their mind exept relligion, they consider themselves in war with other relligions, contries and people who think differently. they do not see things like I and you do.
    Why should they be in war? I know how they are and I know how they wait for the silliest thing just to show their aggression.

    Why be in war?
     

    Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 6)