One should never be surprised at Milan being willing to give a 'champion' forward a big wage, whether they need him or not and whether it appears to be in line with their current policy or not.
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Aguero and RvP being the two prime examples. It's one thing to inquire, and completely another to have spent the summer chasing that player. RvP's case in particular. An inquiry gives you the required information of the kind of costs involved. But what we do post that inquiry is chase a personal agreement with the player and then hope to get a bargain in the transfer fee. That will almost never happen. Bendtner was never part of the plan at the start of the mercato last season, but it came to that because we had ended up chasing a player we couldn't afford. People have every right to be pissed when you go from RvP to Bendtner in a matter of two months.
It doesn't, simply because you and I are not the ones asking for him, it's the name Marrotta is sharing with the press, as a player we are interested in. When you make your interest public, you had better realize that the variables in the deal extend from a personal agreement to a transfer fee, something we tend to shy away from dealing with once there is a personal agreement. Also, when you talk about wanting an Aguero, Higuain, RvP, you had better be aware that there will a) Always be competition for those players. B) they are already earning a certain level of salary, which we'll have to come close to matching. This is information that is a prerequisite before even considering talking to a player of that level. Being aware of these factors, if you're going to spend your summer pursuing them on your terms, then be ready to end up empty handed. Since we don't have the money according to some. When the reality of the situation is, we wouldn't identify such targets if we didn't have the money to begin with. That's my opinion anyway.
Youre talking about a player on 8m a season. If you intend to offer him a little more than half of that salary when you know that he will generate interest elsewhere, then dont come out and say that he's a player we can reach an agreement with. The minute you say that, you better be willing to bet your bottom dollar that in the case of an auction, you're not going to walk away because your terms are not met. Its one thing to agree those terms with the player, but you have to be aware that his club has certain needs too. You can't think that those don't need to be addressed in a cut throat European market. And how is Llorente a player we got on our terms? Because we got him free? I'm sorry, but he was a player that we needed last season, but we got him after a season on the sidelines when his contract expired. It's a bit inaccurate to say that we got him entirely on our terms because we lost time and he has lost form in the process. Not to mention, he's here as the highest earner on the team.
It doesn't, simply because you and I are not the ones asking for him, it's the name Marrotta is sharing with the press, as a player we are interested in. When you make your interest public, you had better realize that the variables in the deal extend from a personal agreement to a transfer fee, something we tend to shy away from dealing with once there is a personal agreement. Also, when you talk about wanting an Aguero, Higuain, RvP, you had better be aware that there will a) Always be competition for those players. B) they are already earning a certain level of salary, which we'll have to come close to matching. This is information that is a prerequisite before even considering talking to a player of that level. Being aware of these factors, if you're going to spend your summer pursuing them on your terms, then be ready to end up empty handed. Since we don't have the money according to some. When the reality of the situation is, we wouldn't identify such targets if we didn't have the money to begin with. That's my opinion anyway.
Youre talking about a player on 8m a season. If you intend to offer him a little more than half of that salary when you know that he will generate interest elsewhere, then dont come out and say that he's a player we can reach an agreement with. The minute you say that, you better be willing to bet your bottom dollar that in the case of an auction, you're not going to walk away because your terms are not met. Its one thing to agree those terms with the player, but you have to be aware that his club has certain needs too. You can't think that those don't need to be addressed in a cut throat European market. And how is Llorente a player we got on our terms? Because we got him free? I'm sorry, but he was a player that we needed last season, but we got him after a season on the sidelines when his contract expired. It's a bit inaccurate to say that we got him entirely on our terms because we lost time and he has lost form in the process. Not to mention, he's here as the highest earner on the team.
we've all read this book before, this is playing out exactly as expected, very predictable.
We chase, we chase, then we play down the rumors of the chase, then we can't afford and finally we stop our peruit.
-Tevez is out of the question, his wages are too high now... so why persue him? you knew his wages
-Higuaim, Real will wait and sell him to an oil club as soon as they start throwing money at them, Juve was just leverage to get the ball rolling.
-JoJo? Fiore will play hard ball with Juve, they're not happy with them, they will move him to England if they could, if not he'll be back with them, unless he says I want Juve no matter what, thats our only chance there.
Get ready for our new target rumors soon, Osvaldo, Diamante will resurface and maybe even a sprinkle of Gilardino if he does descent in Brazil.
Bottomline, if Juve want to be considered a TOP team, a contender for the CL year in and year out then they have to spend, they have to find a way to do it. The excuses were plenty before, then they said oh the stadium will bring in revenue to buy big, we're going into yaer 3 at the new stadium and still no sponsor, that to me is a travesty in and on its self. If we keep settling for lesser talent our CL drought will continue, (we're approacing 20 years without raising that cup) and we will have to stay satisfied with winning Serie A as our realistic ceiling.
We chase, we chase, then we play down the rumors of the chase, then we can't afford and finally we stop our peruit.
-Tevez is out of the question, his wages are too high now... so why persue him? you knew his wages
-Higuaim, Real will wait and sell him to an oil club as soon as they start throwing money at them, Juve was just leverage to get the ball rolling.
-JoJo? Fiore will play hard ball with Juve, they're not happy with them, they will move him to England if they could, if not he'll be back with them, unless he says I want Juve no matter what, thats our only chance there.
Get ready for our new target rumors soon, Osvaldo, Diamante will resurface and maybe even a sprinkle of Gilardino if he does descent in Brazil.
Bottomline, if Juve want to be considered a TOP team, a contender for the CL year in and year out then they have to spend, they have to find a way to do it. The excuses were plenty before, then they said oh the stadium will bring in revenue to buy big, we're going into yaer 3 at the new stadium and still no sponsor, that to me is a travesty in and on its self. If we keep settling for lesser talent our CL drought will continue, (we're approacing 20 years without raising that cup) and we will have to stay satisfied with winning Serie A as our realistic ceiling.
If we can't afford to pay more than 4.5m in salary, then we can't be chasing the likes of Tevez and Higuain (what is he on at Madrid? 5m?). These guys want to play at the highest levels, and while Juve provides that, other teams do as well, in stronger leagues and most importantly, with higher salaries. There is nothing that would make you want to join the project/club if you're chasing the bigwigs with salary offering that's less than what they're earning. Would you join a company that pays you less than your current salary for the same position? In Tevez's case, almost half? You cannot realistically be considering that quality of player IF this is your wage cap. You might as well be more realistic with your targets and to the fans if that's the case. It's really that simple.
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Yea, and that apart this talk of not having money and playing the poor little team needs to stop. If the club has identified these targets, then it is their duty to chase the deal keeping every variable in mind, and not walking away (within reason) if their terms are not met.
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Yea, and that apart this talk of not having money and playing the poor little team needs to stop. If the club has identified these targets, then it is their duty to chase the deal keeping every variable in mind, and not walking away (within reason) if their terms are not met.
Yeah I know, I was just being sarcastic after the drama last night. I see nothing in the meeting between the agent and Galliani.
Most of the papers today are suggesting that there is another meeting planned with RM for Higuain with a new improved offer. I really hope Marotta does not fuck up the deal.
Most of the papers today are suggesting that there is another meeting planned with RM for Higuain with a new improved offer. I really hope Marotta does not fuck up the deal.
but why shouldn't his agent try to get a bidding war going? its in the best interest of himself and his client. This is the game, Juve need to understand they are not the gold standard around Europe that ppl will bow down to them. Serie A isn't what it used to be, not even close, the days that Serie A and Juve get top players is over, you need to overpay or be stuck in mediocary. Milan may not even sign him, Tevez has a relationship with Milan, this may just be to drive JUve's price up. Eventually he'll end up in Monaco when Juve back out because I doubt Milan would sign him for those wages either.
Juve will have to accept that theres no way we will be able to sign someone without getting some deficits.
All of ths drama with all the strikers is because they want to break even ASAP in our economy.
If we fail to break even in the proposed timeline..what could happen? It will affect the UEFA fai play thing?
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All of ths drama with all the strikers is because they want to break even ASAP in our economy.
If we fail to break even in the proposed timeline..what could happen? It will affect the UEFA fai play thing?
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Putting all kind of nice "break even" idea's to your shareholders, who saved you from bankruptcy by a capital injection, and then go like
"oh lol, lets just do something else"
Is a great way, to have no one ever invest in you again.
People also dont realise, the continessa project, wich is FANTASTIC for the future, but keeps our budgeds tighter for now.
Also, you might want to ask a bank, if your dept is nearly as big as your turnover, wether they want to give a loan
"oh lol, lets just do something else"
Is a great way, to have no one ever invest in you again.
People also dont realise, the continessa project, wich is FANTASTIC for the future, but keeps our budgeds tighter for now.
Also, you might want to ask a bank, if your dept is nearly as big as your turnover, wether they want to give a loan
This is all true but at the same time, spending more for top players is an investment which should yeild a solid gain with the performance on the field. If you get 2 top players and you end up winning 2 CLs and 4 more scudetti in the next 5 years wouldn't that turn in a nice solid gain, increase the value of your team on all fronts from sponsorship, ticket sales, net revenue from winning trophies, shirt sales and of course exposure? They wouldn't be spending this money into the wind, it would be an investment to set up a solid foundation for future big signings as well.
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