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Stats are useful but do not provide anywhere near as accurate a picture of a player as actually watching him play and understanding the game, awareness of the players around him, the coaching and managaement staff, etc etc etctetctctct..
Tevez may well be a more clinical goalscorer, but his passing is nowhere near as often beautiful and pinpoint as Wayne can regularly produce, and has done since coming onto the scene as a teenager. I am not suggesting that Tevez cannot pass, for he can pass brilliantly, but his passes are often much more direct and short, whereas the range of rooney's passing is often world class. I put more stock in what I have seen, than in stats, and I have seen a lot of both these players since tevez arrived in England at West Ham. Rooney didn't exactly disappear for 8 months. he had a poor world cup, paqrtly due to injury, partly due to a wretched showing by the squad as a whole. and then...revelations about his private life caused a lethargy of sorts, followed by more injuries, then the possibility of leaving...it wasn't until later in last season when he got his head right and got back on track from a footballing perspective.
for me, rooney is by far the more decent lad. he has made a mistake or two in his time, but only the whore routine seems appalling. his behaviour on the pitch has reminded me often of Cantona, another volatile genius...Rooney simply loves to play football, and for me, is a more entertaining, a better player, than tevez. This view becomes very solid when I take into account the behaviour of Tevez not just recently, but over the course of his career. I can understand people hating rooney for his indiscretions regarding his wife, but other than that episode, i have seen not one incident of arrogance, selfishness and childishness of any similar magnitude to what tevez does often.
Rooney refusing to play a game??? any game at all??? even a kick around in the park...impossible.
Rooney showing consistent lack of respect for his employers??? The nearest we have seen of this was when he questioned United's ambitions matching his own...he had a point, but was perhaps misguided somewhat by his agents/advisors. Whatever the reason, other than the fact that he had a point, ferguson didn't take the comments awfully, they spoke, and the situation was sorted out. better contract for rooney and promise of stronger investment in players. Tevez has shown no respect for his employers on several occasions. he seems to leave every club he plays for in a bad way. has the loyalty and honesty of a cobra. He is the most valuable and talented pure football mercenary the game has ever seen.
So..to me...Rooney has more ability on the ball, is not as great a goalscorer, shows more consistent grit, and without any doubt whatsoever, shows more respect to those around him than tevez ever has done, at least in england.
he is a world class talent, but also an ignorant, easily led cunt with very little regard for contracts and people who employ him.
'Better' is not something anyone can say and expect everyone else to agree and accept their opinion, when it is just an opinion. I personally rate rooney slightly higher as a footballer and much more decent as a man.
Tevez may well be a more clinical goalscorer, but his passing is nowhere near as often beautiful and pinpoint as Wayne can regularly produce, and has done since coming onto the scene as a teenager. I am not suggesting that Tevez cannot pass, for he can pass brilliantly, but his passes are often much more direct and short, whereas the range of rooney's passing is often world class. I put more stock in what I have seen, than in stats, and I have seen a lot of both these players since tevez arrived in England at West Ham. Rooney didn't exactly disappear for 8 months. he had a poor world cup, paqrtly due to injury, partly due to a wretched showing by the squad as a whole. and then...revelations about his private life caused a lethargy of sorts, followed by more injuries, then the possibility of leaving...it wasn't until later in last season when he got his head right and got back on track from a footballing perspective.
for me, rooney is by far the more decent lad. he has made a mistake or two in his time, but only the whore routine seems appalling. his behaviour on the pitch has reminded me often of Cantona, another volatile genius...Rooney simply loves to play football, and for me, is a more entertaining, a better player, than tevez. This view becomes very solid when I take into account the behaviour of Tevez not just recently, but over the course of his career. I can understand people hating rooney for his indiscretions regarding his wife, but other than that episode, i have seen not one incident of arrogance, selfishness and childishness of any similar magnitude to what tevez does often.
Rooney refusing to play a game??? any game at all??? even a kick around in the park...impossible.
Rooney showing consistent lack of respect for his employers??? The nearest we have seen of this was when he questioned United's ambitions matching his own...he had a point, but was perhaps misguided somewhat by his agents/advisors. Whatever the reason, other than the fact that he had a point, ferguson didn't take the comments awfully, they spoke, and the situation was sorted out. better contract for rooney and promise of stronger investment in players. Tevez has shown no respect for his employers on several occasions. he seems to leave every club he plays for in a bad way. has the loyalty and honesty of a cobra. He is the most valuable and talented pure football mercenary the game has ever seen.
So..to me...Rooney has more ability on the ball, is not as great a goalscorer, shows more consistent grit, and without any doubt whatsoever, shows more respect to those around him than tevez ever has done, at least in england.
he is a world class talent, but also an ignorant, easily led cunt with very little regard for contracts and people who employ him.
'Better' is not something anyone can say and expect everyone else to agree and accept their opinion, when it is just an opinion. I personally rate rooney slightly higher as a footballer and much more decent as a man.
dude 
boca fan yes argentina fan: no(unless maradona is coaching them), whats funny is you not showing tevez' goals in boca and corinthians, over their careers as you have realized since you so conveniently omitted that period, tevez has a better average.
boca fan yes argentina fan: no(unless maradona is coaching them), whats funny is you not showing tevez' goals in boca and corinthians, over their careers as you have realized since you so conveniently omitted that period, tevez has a better average.
And I really really REALLY can't stand Rooney
I usually respect your opinions and analysis Rab, but when it comes to the respective players accomplishments for their national teams, they have both done jack shit.
Rooney was abysmal @ the World cup, and hasn't done anything of note for the national team, and while Tevez performed relatively well for Argentina @ the WC, he was quite abysmal @ the Copa. The bottom line is they both have failed to shine (significantly) at international level, and have yet to win any titles for their corresponding countries.
Rooney was abysmal @ the World cup, and hasn't done anything of note for the national team, and while Tevez performed relatively well for Argentina @ the WC, he was quite abysmal @ the Copa. The bottom line is they both have failed to shine (significantly) at international level, and have yet to win any titles for their corresponding countries.
My man, I already stated that I don't rate the Argentinian league that's why I didn't bring his Boca/Cori stats. I gave their EPL stats. However, I don't really take into consideration all these stats and base my opinion on them, it was just part of my argument, I think Rooney has proved himself on the highest level, winning something with England maybe is all what he's missing. Tevez still has to prove and achieve both on a personal level and team.
And I really really REALLY can't stand Rooney
And I really really REALLY can't stand Rooney
except for 4 teams i dont rate it either, lets look at how much talent comes out of argie league and compare that to epl. And you;re really underrating south american teams/tournament. On many occasions they have convincingly beaten or come close to(estudiantes against barca 2 years ago) their european counterpart in club world cups.
Now that is a deal that's worth it. How is it that Tevez agrees 3.5 mils p/y with Milan, and everyone here was discussing that he would ask for at least 6m from us?
I mean if they get him for 3.5 and lets say 3 or 4 year contract - that is fucking amazing. Surely, they will have to sell a forward but I don't see us getting Pato... Maybe Tevez is getting a golden handshake from Manchester City (lets say 1.5 mils till the end of his current contract), but even then I am sure Galliani will drive down his price to 20-25 mils euros. And if he manages to get him on loan with the said option... That is why we miss moggi.
I mean if they get him for 3.5 and lets say 3 or 4 year contract - that is fucking amazing. Surely, they will have to sell a forward but I don't see us getting Pato... Maybe Tevez is getting a golden handshake from Manchester City (lets say 1.5 mils till the end of his current contract), but even then I am sure Galliani will drive down his price to 20-25 mils euros. And if he manages to get him on loan with the said option... That is why we miss moggi.
That is a good question. But if you know you can piss off a guy with a few billions in his bank account - it might not be a bad idea to fuck off. They will find a way (and Tevez isn't making it hard for them) to fine him for some reason and his salary would be considerably lower for the foreseeable future. Not to mention they could make him play with the reserves and by the time he is out of manchester he would have no career whatsoever...
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