Cappelo till 2009 (2 Viewers)

[Eaglesnake_1]

Baggio, this time i disagree with you.

Its not as easy as you see it to find the right coach who suits a team with the caliber and needs Juve has. And i dont see any of the coachs you mentioned able to fill capello`s shoes.

Prandelli and Deschamps are not well proven at high levels. They are interesting but highly risky. Mazzone, despit being a great coach, is too old, too used and too politized to come. Mourinho is now own by abrahmovic, and i doubt he wants to leave Chelsea. Zdenek Zeman to Juve....please, dont even mention it.

Carlitos Bianchi is probably the most interesting, because is a superb coach with lots of international experience and is just fresh in Europe, at his first season with Atletico Madrid. Not for right now, but he can become an atractive choice in the future.

What remains is the fact that Capello offers what it takes to keep us at the same level we was 8-10 years ago (in the Lippi era), ranking between top three teams in the world.
And concerning his supposed lack of motivation, what could be more motivating to a coach than designing and running a superteam to rule in Italy and Europe for the next five years??

 

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[swag]

I don't see Capello as the type who is motivated more by contracts than by what he can personally accomplish with a team. When you achieve the level of things that he has, you're often driven more from within than by external influences.

(Setting aside for a moment what has been said elswhere here -- coaches often really don't mean that much in the big scheme of things.)

 

[Holygr4le]

Jeno Karoly 1923-26
Joszef Viola 1926-27
George Aitken 1927-30
Carlo Carcano 1930-34
Carlo Carcano then Bigatto-Gola 1934-35
Virginio Rosetta 1935-38
Umberto Caligaris 1938-40
Federico Munerati 1940-42
Felice Borel 1942-46
Renato Cesarini 1946-48
William Chalmers 1948-49
Jesse Carver 1949-50
Jesse Carver then L. Bertolini 1950-51
Gyorgy Sarosi 1951-53
Aldo Olivieri 1953-55
Sandro Puppo 1955-57
Ljubisa Brocic 1957-58
Ljubisa Brocic then B. Depetrini 1958-59
Renato Cesarini-Carlo Parola 1959-60
Renato Cesarini then Gunnar Gren 1960-61
Gunnar Gren then C. Parola 1961-62
Paulo Amaral 1962-63
Paulo Amaral then E. Monzeglio 1963-64
Heriberto Herrera 1964-69
Luis Carniglia then E. Rabitti 1969-70
Armando Picchi then C. Vycpalek 1970-71
Cestmir Vycpalek 1971-74
Carlo Parola 1974-76
Giovanni Trapattoni 1976-86
Rino Marchesi 1986-88
Dino Zoff 1988-90
Luigi Maifredi 1990-91
Giovanni Trapattoni 1991-94
Marcello Lippi 1994-98
Marcello Lippi then C. Ancelotti 1998-99
Carlo Ancelotti 1999-01
Marcello Lippi 2001-04
Fabio Capello 2004-present

With this history you´ve got some pressure.

 

[baggio]

++ [ originally posted by Eaglesnake_1 ] ++
Baggio, this time i disagree with you.

Its not as easy as you see it to find the right coach who suits a team with the caliber and needs Juve has. And i dont see any of the coachs you mentioned able to fill capello`s shoes.

If you look at Capello's past record, you'll see that he's 'suited' almost every team that he's been at. However, dont let that fool you because if you look carefully enough, you'll realise how he's made all those teams 'suit' his needs. They are in effect, customised for him and his style. There's nothing unique about that quite frankly.

++ [ originally posted by Eaglesnake_1 ] ++
Prandelli and Deschamps are not well proven at high levels. They are interesting but highly risky. Mazzone, despit being a great coach, is too old, too used and too politized to come. Mourinho is now own by abrahmovic, and i doubt he wants to leave Chelsea. Zdenek Zeman to Juve....please, dont even mention it.

I, myself would be apprehensive about the likes of Deschamps and Zeman at the helm of a team like ours. Having said that though, with a line up like ours, you've got to ask yourself, is it possible to go wrong? The likes of Prandelli, Mazzone and Mourinho and yes, lest I forget, Luca Vialli are in my opinion all capable of taking this team forward.

++ [ originally posted by Eaglesnake_1 ] ++
Carlitos Bianchi is probably the most interesting, because is a superb coach with lots of international experience and is just fresh in Europe, at his first season with Atletico Madrid. Not for right now, but he can become an atractive choice in the future.

Yes, Carlos Bianchi is an unproven quantity but that doesnt discount the fact that his experience and ability has him well equipped for a job in the upper echelons of European club football. Not a point of debate though, as I think we both agree on that count.

++ [ originally posted by Eaglesnake_1 ] ++
What remains is the fact that Capello offers what it takes to keep us at the same level we was 8-10 years ago (in the Lippi era), ranking between top three teams in the world. And concerning his supposed lack of motivation, what could be more motivating to a coach than designing and running a superteam to rule in Italy and Europe for the next five years??

What does Capello offer? Look at any of the teams Capello coached in the past because he lacks the basic skill of building on what he has. He's talented within a very specific realm, which is brought to life through transfer policies. Please elucidate what you feel he offers, because I havent seen anything distinctly different apart from the fact that we've maintained a winning cycle similar to that of Lippi's teams pre and post Zidane. Only less flambouyant if anything. And with a lot more talent. And just for the record, its not Capello who will keep us at the same level as we were in the mid 90's. It's Ibrahimovic, Vieira, Emerson and Cannavaro. As for motivation or the lack thereof, I would say it is directly proportional to your level of achievement. Fernando Alonso isnt better than Micheal Schumacher just because he's the champion. He's only more motivated.

So the point is, at least from the way I see it: Capello was more motivated to win because of his limited time stint at Juventus. He wanted to win everything he could. Now if that were to happen, sooner rather than later, I'm afraid we could be undone by stagnation in the long run.

 

[baggio]

++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++
I don't see Capello as the type who is motivated more by contracts than by what he can personally accomplish with a team. When you achieve the level of things that he has, you're often driven more from within than by external influences.

(Setting aside for a moment what has been said elswhere here -- coaches often really don't mean that much in the big scheme of things.)

Re-read my post Swagster. We've got a team on paper, that is capable of winning the Champions League sooner rather than later. The team assembled by Capello was done so because he drew a sense of urgency from a three year contract. When that time is doubled, you've got to wonder, if he wins the CL, what next? It happened to Lippi, Fergusson and Capello himself at Milan.

So my point remains, this contract extension should've come later than it has.

 

[delpierofan82]

its great that Capello will stay till 2009 I think he will win 7-8 titles in that years with team and then it will be great if R.baggio became Juve coach

 

[Maher]

so Giovanni Trapattoni was the coach who was for the longest period

 

[Holygr4le]

10 straight years is impressive.

 

[djleli]

yeah trap was the best coach we ever had i think then lippi and now capello.

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Tifoso Lou ] ++


Based on what? Not being a smart a**....serious question.

The age of our players to begin with. Capello only attracted pretty old players who aren't going to cut it anymore next year or the year after.

 

[Tifoso]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++


The age of our players to begin with. Capello only attracted pretty old players who aren't going to cut it anymore next year or the year after.

But they might be able to go another season, I think we can agree.

 

[Seven]

But if not next season, then surely the one after that we need young players. Capello simply isn't a manager who builds teams that last long. Look at what happened to Roma. Giving him such a long term contract is pure stupidity, when looked at Capello's record.

 

[Bjerknes]

Well, at least our aspirations for the Scudetto will not take a hit, however the verdict is still out on our quest for the Champions League. We can continue to challenge for the Scudetto year after year, however with the squad we have we should be reaching the Finals of the Champions League again, and if Capello's record has any bearing and our world class starting XI we probably should win it once in the upcoming seasons.

But I must say I am not going to keep my hopes up in the Champions League because if what we learned last year during the competition doesn't register in our coach's head, we will simply not win it. We have one of the best coaches in the world, however the system Capello uses is starting to become antiquated and if Capello keeps holding onto this same complacent mentality as we go into matches we will not win the competition...simple as that. The Champions League becomes the defining moment for the better coaches of this world, and at least we know Capello will not be lacking any motivation..

 

[lestat_1987]

I don´t think it was a smart move to extend hios contract so long...I would not like to pay what valencia paid Ranieri when they fired him. I was actually hoping Lippi would come back after the WC 2006

 

[sateeh]

i dont think that lippi would come back here after the WC. Lestat ur just assuming hes going to do a bad job and get fired.

As baggio said , i dont think renewing for don fabio would be a good idea.Lets see what happens this season first.

Motivation was something that everyone talked about.. will our coach not have the motivation after we win the CL ? mybe..but with such a great squad i think capello would have more hopes for more success. More success would be incentive enough for any coach.

But the question is, will juve win this year's CL? i think if we play the way we are, we have a good chance.
So untill tthis season's over then we could see what the situation is

 

[joe5]

Good Capello stays.

 

[lestat_1987]

I actually hope Italy wins the WC and with DP on the team...is it that wrong to want Lippi back?

 

[paulo]

Go Fabio.

 

[Eaglesnake_1]

++ [ originally posted by baggio ] ++



Re-read my post Swagster. We've got a team on paper, that is capable of winning the Champions League sooner rather than later. The team assembled by Capello was done so because he drew a sense of urgency from a three year contract. When that time is doubled, you've got to wonder, if he wins the CL, what next? It happened to Lippi, Fergusson and Capello himself at Milan.

So my point remains, this contract extension should've come later than it has.

Im shure the Triade has analized to exhaustion the pros and cons of offering Capello an extension contract. Seems they had conclude that "the time is right" to do so, and im shure they know what they doing. Behind this desicion could be many reasons, some of them probably just known by Juve directors like Moggi and Giraudo, but some others can be guessed, just because they are typical of the Triade "philosy of management" :

- He is, arguably, the most succesful italian coach of the last years, having just Lippi as a real contender of this title. And how long has been since we had a non-italian coach??

-Capello is a "hard-liner", with managerial and directive skills that in a short future can take the tasks now worked by Bettega, becoming a sort of Coach-sport director...

- At first, the triade offers a three year contract to capello and they give him a first class but aged team, good enough to navigate at high stakes for two or three years, no more. Now, they had worked with him and it seems he has gained her confidence to the point of chosing him the right players for the inevitable transition( Thuram, Canna,Dp, Nedved) we will have in one or two years.

- Giving him the extension contract is just the way to let him make planns for the future and not only "win now, tomorrow we will see"....

- Check the modern history of the team. Is not coincidence that the most succesful coaches(Trapp and Lippi) are also the ones with more years spended with the team. They are trying to emulate this with Capello.

Im still thinks that the Triade know very well their work. If they decided to do this, there is probably the best thing to do.....

 

[tassard]

great post eaglesnake