capello - the best coach in the world? (6 Viewers)

ZAF3000

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Feb 14, 2005
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++ [ originally posted by Azzurri7 ] ++
good points Zaf....

Though I disagree little bit here for praising Cap....:D
Well you cannot deny the number of trophies with different clubs he managed.
Whether its with Milan, Real or Roma .etc.
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by ZAF3000 ] ++


Well you cannot deny the number of trophies with different clubs he managed.
Whether its with Milan, Real or Roma .etc.
Still...I don't consider him a WorldClass Coach...he's great nobody can deny that but not a WorldClass.

Not to forget that the Trohpies he won with Milan, they could have done it by themselves (no need to mention their Players).....same goes with Real.
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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Capello is asking too much from certain players and asking too little from others, this is the biggest reason why our players are off-form. Another problem is his stubbornness on leaving certain players on the bench, this also deteriorates a player's form.

Zambrotta, Mutu, Camoranesi and Nedved half of what they can do is being used and the other half is wasted. because Capello is forcing them into his roles.

By moving any of Mutu, Camoranesi or Nedved to a more free role, that player will give more. Moreover, Zambrotta will be able to run more forward and do his good crosses and penetrations.

Zlatan is being asked to do miracles. I bet before each game Capello asks him to go and do a Van Basten. This is a kid FFS, encourage him but don't ask him for things above his current capabilities. He might get there one day, but not tonight nor tomorrow. No wonder why is he always so frustrated.
 

ZAF3000

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Feb 14, 2005
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++ [ originally posted by Jeeks ] ++

Zlatan is being asked to do miracles. I bet before each game Capello asks him to go and do a Van Basten. This is a kid FFS, encourage him but don't ask him for things above his current capabilities. He might get there one day, but not tonight nor tomorrow. No wonder why is he always so frustrated.
This could be very true.
 

ZAF3000

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Feb 14, 2005
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++ [ originally posted by Jeeks ] ++


What about the other things I said? :down:
Well I can't disagree with ya Jeeks, now can I?

What you said is very similar to what I said. Limiting Nedved, Maoro and Zambrotta's roles are due to tactical reasons, which are totally not creative.
His tactics have limited their abilities and reduced their form.

Some say the Capello brought back Del Piero. In my opinion Alex was never gone. The time where he was underpar was due to injury after he recovers he has always shown his worth...
 

ZAF3000

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Feb 14, 2005
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++ [ originally posted by lestat_1987 ] ++
how would you agree with the statement that Capello discovered Blasi as an RB?
I wouldn't . For one reason, Blasi is yet to prove himself as a RB. If he does then I would say Capello discovered the RB in Blasi.
 

ZhiXin

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Oct 1, 2004
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Totti turns on Don Fabio Monday 14 November, 2005

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Francesco Totti has launched a scathing attack on Juventus Coach Fabio Capello. "He’s not a true person," he blasted.

Totti, who worked under Capello when Roma won the Scudetto, unleashed his extraordinary outburst in Italian daily ‘Il Messagero’ - ahead of Saturday’s match between the Giallorossi and Juve at the Stadio Olimpico.

"I would never play for Capello again," said the Roma captain. "There’s no doubt about that – and I never said that I would. He’s not a true person.

"For me, the type of man you are is far more important than the Coach you are," he added.

"Luciano Spalletti, compared to Capello, is a real man. He doesn’t treat Totti, Vincenzo Montella and others differently. He treats everybody in the same way."

The discord between Totti and his former Coach dates back to last season when Don Fabio slighted him publicly by telling his players not to take their inspiration from players like Totti – but rather to knuckle down and work hard.

Totti is also uneasy about rumours linking Juve’s director general Luciano Moggi with a return to Roma.

"If he leaves Juve I would rather he joins the national side’s set-up," the No 10 added.

It seems that Totti, who left Italy’s training headquarters due to injury last week, is planning to retire from international football after the next World Cup.

"After the World Cup I’m 99 per cent sure I’ll retire from the national side to dedicate myself to Roma," he surprisingly concluded.

source: channel4.com
 

ZAF3000

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Feb 14, 2005
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Journalists always try to provoke players before matches. This is very expected. Totti's behaviour is not like for an example Del Piero, after a year of an incidence he will not talk about it. Totti on the other hand will always do. I bet you if Juve played Roma 10 years from now, Totti was playing for Roma and Capello was at Juventus similar statements will be out for us to read.
 

denco

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Jul 12, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by Paid-off-Ref ] ++
I can't believe what I'm reading here. How can you forget our strength after just one game??!!!
We set records under Capello, but obviously after just 90 minutes of play it's a distant memory.

WWWWWWWWWL

I rest my case
I would have been very impressed if that "record" was against teams like Milan , away or at home, Inter away, Fiorentina away. Not the calibre of opponents we faced.
No argument is aided by stats or stuff like records becos they do not accurately depict the whole situation.
Fixture list can quite easily throw up 15 easy matches in a row and then next 9 could be hell, now if you win your first 15, set a new so called record, and lose your next 9, does that mean you are the best and crap in a matter of weeks?
As for Crapelloo, he is very successful, like Trapatoni but you just cannot get to like them if they are coaching your team cos of the negative attitude they got.

I am not a manager, nor coach, never have been, and might be easier from the outside, but if i was Juve's manager, with the squad available to me, injuries and all, i would either play 3 at the back with Kovac, Thuram and Cannavaro and ignore the right back position for now, or if we are playing a team with a strong left winger, then i will play Thuram there, as he is the best alternative we got, its stupid playing Blasi or Zambrotta there.

I like teams with lots of movement off the ball and one touch football with it so in mf, i will mostly have, Vieria, Emerson, Camoranesi, Dp and Mutu, with Trez as the lone striker.

This does not mean , no room for Zlatan or Nedved as they will play

I have never liked the dynamic between Nedved and Dp, simply because there isnt any, so i will try as much as possible to not play them at the same time
Nedved and Zlatan work much better

So at times I will play, Trez, Vieria,Camo, Nedved and Zlatan

Now if we play a team like Milan, then thats where players like Giannicheda and Blasi will come into play, to nullify the Kaka and Pirlo effect, its just foolhardy to me to expect players like Vieria and Emerson to try and control Kaka and Pirlo when we have players like Giannichedda or Blasi who could do that job, as they are not gonna hurt the opposition so why not just put them in there to nullify dangermen and either drop, Nedved in the first group or Mutu or Dp in the second group.

I definitely will not be so rigid to the point of ridicule and certainly will not based my football based on height for my strikers

Its amazing how a manager can love talll strikers but not concerned that we do not have a commanding presence at the back, so we always struggle when balls are crossed into out penalty area. Just a very curious man, our crapelloo.

Is it my imagination or does he or his men read from this forum, as some of our arguments , have been tried by him
I remember complaining about Thuram being captain and the next game, i see , Pessotto as captain and Nedved was dropped against Bayern, much to my relief
 

Paolo Sosa

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Nov 11, 2005
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i think if we can see this and we aren't experts, the manager who is working with the players everyday would have seen think. even if he was as stubborn as capello
 

denco

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Jul 12, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by Paolo Sosa ] ++
i think if we can see this and we aren't experts, the manager who is working with the players everyday would have seen think. even if he was as stubborn as capello
Now thats very obtuse, what has how you perform in training got to do with how managers pick their teams?
Capello is not stubborn, he does not know any better, he has no idea how to change formations when things are going badly. Or are you telling me that Nedved has been flying in training or that Zlatan's tricks only work in training or the likes of Dp and Mutu are poor in training?
I do not care if he sees them everyday or even sleeps with them, the fact is that some players do not enjoy training but are still class whilst some like Nedved, Gatusso and players like that will give 100% no matter the situation, it does not alter the fact that Nedved has been terrible overall for 2 years now but he still plays week in week out , if anywhere near fit
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by denco ] ++
Now thats very obtuse, what has how you perform in training got to do with how managers pick their teams?
Capello is not stubborn, he does not know any better, he has no idea how to change formations when things are going badly. Or are you telling me that Nedved has been flying in training or that Zlatan's tricks only work in training or the likes of Dp and Mutu are poor in training?
I do not care if he sees them everyday or even sleeps with them, the fact is that some players do not enjoy training but are still class whilst some like Nedved, Gatusso and players like that will give 100% no matter the situation, it does not alter the fact that Nedved has been terrible overall for 2 years now but he still plays week in week out , if anywhere near fit
I tend to agree denco. You have to look at the performances of the players during the actual matches, not just some training session...and what sort of manager would not field the players who perform during the matches anyway? That doesn't really make any sense.

As for Capello being stubborn...in a way I think he is. He has fielded the 4-4-2 throughout the majority of his career, however he also played around with the 3-4-1-2 and the 4-2-3-1 and changed things up when the system was not working very well. So I believe it's a combination of both...Capello only cares for a couple systems and doesn't exactly know how to change a team around when we hit a bad spell.
 

delpierofan82

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Apr 24, 2005
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++ [ originally posted by ZAF3000 ] ++
Capello is a world class coach. His trophies speak for him.
In the same time, Juve is even a greater team.
My concern is his current tachtics. He was good 5 years ago when he won the scudetto with Roma. He was good last season (not terrific). The real question "IS HE FINISHED? " ... are his tachtics and formations outdated?
In past 4 years smaller teams have caused big teams problems. This shows that football now is a more serious sport than it was 20 eyars ago.
Capello might be able to with the Serie A, but can his tachtics win the CL? Morinho on the other hand might be able to win the CL but can he win a title as the serie A?
Capello prefers solid than creative. Wait for oponents mistakes and chances rather than creating them.

When Ancelotti was a coached we played 3-4-1-2 for some time with 1 being Zidane. The formation was good but it was too Zidane dependant.

Lippi on the other hand played us with 4-3-1-2 with 1 being Nedved. The tachtic was Nedved dependant but not as much as Ancelotti's was Zidane's dependant.

Capello made us seriously Nedved dependant last season then Vieira dependant this season.
Now I can understand being Nedved dependant since he is the Offensive midfielder, but Vieira is a Deffensive midfielder. How can we be dependant on him in offensive manners? This is crazy.
Capello has a squad that can only be compared to the one Lippi had in 95-96 and it may be even better.

A formation like 4-3-1-2 is a very balanced formation. And with the turn-over we won't be player dependant.
With it we have 2 centre backs that stay there. Two side back who go offensively from time to time. Two deffiensive midfielders. One of them who drift to the side when a SB go offensively. We have a Wing whether its right or left depending on the match. A creative offensive midfielder that move sideways AND TWO STRIKERS.
Centre back we have : Thuram, Cannvaro, Kovac, Gladstone
Side back: Chielini, Zambrotta, Zebina, Pessotto, Birindelli
Deffensive midfielder: Vieira, Emerson, Blasi, Giannicheda
Side midfilder: Camoranesi, Olivera, Mutu, nedved
Offensive midfielder: Nedved, Mutu and even Camoranesi
Strikers: Del Piero, Ibra, Trezeguet and Zalayata.

Capello on the other hand is playing a classic 4-4-2. Now this could be good if you are playing 4 midfielders in diamond shape with 1 DM. Unfortunately thats not the case.
Limiting Nedved on the left has two disadvatages:
1- Nedveds shot on goal will be limited. His movements will be limited, hence his creatitvity is limited.
2- By keeping Nedved on the left side you are limiting Zambrotta's free runs. Runs which won us many games in the past.
Same applies to Camoranesi on the right. If you remember Juve V Real last season. Camoranesi played the best game of his life. Why? He was playing as an offensive mdifielder behind three strikers. He was as creative as anyone maybe. He reminded me with the Zidane days.

With this formation you are also asking Vieira and Emerson who are Deffesinve mdifielders to be creative and start attacks. While they are world class players, they are in no mean creative/offensive midfielders. They will never be.

This is why whenever we are down by a goal and the other team go back to deffend their lead you find us impotent. You see the best stars in the world lacking the ability to matsh forward. You a team which is down by one goal rather than going forward they start passing the ball to each other at the back seriously clueless.
In all our matches this season in the serie A with th except of Parma we always were the ones who start scoring which is good. In the Serie A it is good to go grab a goal and deffend your lead. In the CL if you are not capable of coming back from a goal or two down you can never win.
Capello has created a team that can deffend its lead, but he sure (atleast I haven't seen that yet) did not create a team capable of standing up after a fall during a match.
If you remember during the Parma match, why did we come back into the game? Is because Camoranesi decided to take matters into his own hands and went to the centre of the field and played as a Offfensive midfielder. He was rewarded by a wonderful goal.

Capello is a world class coach, but his tachtics need to change if he is really targeting the CL.

Sorry for the long post, but I needed to stress out my opinion.
I think that capello did much more than totti for football
 

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