Capello is going for sure (6 Viewers)

May 4, 2004
11,622
#41
++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++


I'm not even going to bother with you because the whole point of a forum is for people to discuss matters with opinionated arguments. I state my opinion, you disagree with it and I'm therefore a drunkard or I'm high. Care to state why Capello is in your view so great or are you just going to make inane, useless comments like the one above? I used to respect your opinion regardless of if I agreed or disagreed with it but I don't see why I should respect it any longer if you're going to make comments like that.
WOW??? dude, take it easy...! i was just beaing funny(i thinK) it was a joke!! thats why i made a smily at the end :)
 

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Stu

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Jul 14, 2002
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#44
++ [ originally posted by Juve_Kosova ] ++


## Yes

## Exacely

and **** the way we play as long as we WIN!!!!

anyway, i respect your point of view on Cap..

Forza Juve !
Well I disagree that Capello was the key man. Milan and Inter underperformed and we didn't make a lot of errors, that's why we won the league. Of course Capello played a part but I think we could have done it without him. Just my opinion though.

TBH I don't really care how we play as long as we win but I don't think we can win the Champions' League playing the way we did this season. We're just not good enough in attack and it's not because of the players we have, it's because of Capello's tactics. He's too defensive for my liking.

Sorry about the other post, I didn't realise you were joking.
 
May 4, 2004
11,622
#45
++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++


Well I disagree that Capello was the key man. Milan and Inter underperformed and we didn't make a lot of errors, that's why we won the league. Of course Capello played a part but I think we could have done it without him. Just my opinion though.

TBH I don't really care how we play as long as we win but I don't think we can win the Champions' League playing the way we did this season. We're just not good enough in attack and it's not because of the players we have, it's because of Capello's tactics. He's too defensive for my liking.

Sorry about the other post, I didn't realise you were joking.
IMO, we truly deserved the serie a title this year, as we where no 1 all the way ! and we wont find out if we could have done the same without Cap or not..

anyway, i Agree with you that we have to find another tac if we wanna win the CL, and if we sign the right players this season, i really think we could do it all the way in CL! at least i HOPE :)
about Cap beaing to defensive, i really cant agree about that if we look at the serie a, as we have the highest score.. but, i agree that he did play TO defensive in CL.. and next season he has to try something els...

Forza Juventus ! :)
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,023
#46
++ [ originally posted by Fliakis ] ++


well, then he failed miserably while trying to achieve it. its no surprise, but i blame the exit from the cl almost solely on him.
Yes, because Capello is out on the pitch playing. It's "almost" entirely his fault. :rolleyes:

Don't kid yourself and take those DP glasses off for a change because we know that's all you really care about in this regard.
 

Dan

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Mar 9, 2004
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#47
++ [ originally posted by Fliakis ] ++


well, then he failed miserably while trying to achieve it. its no surprise, but i blame the exit from the cl almost solely on him.
Del Piero scored a legit goal in the first leg and Ibrahimovic was inches away, on the famous bouncing ball occassion and the one where thuram lobbed the ball to him. We just didnt use our chances.
 

Dan

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Mar 9, 2004
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#48
++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++


Well I disagree that Capello was the key man. Milan and Inter underperformed and we didn't make a lot of errors, that's why we won the league. Of course Capello played a part but I think we could have done it without him. Just my opinion though.

TBH I don't really care how we play as long as we win but I don't think we can win the Champions' League playing the way we did this season. We're just not good enough in attack and it's not because of the players we have, it's because of Capello's tactics. He's too defensive for my liking.

Sorry about the other post, I didn't realise you were joking.
.. This is coming from the team that scored the most serie a goals, and conceded the least... much like Capello did with Roma last season, but you would argue they were an offensive team wouldnt you?

If you cant credit a coach who managed to close up such a shakey defence (which just for the record not even Lippi could do), got the best out of biggest underperformers such as Camorenesi (whom was called numerous times to be chucked out before this season), and in the end managed to get a good game out of Del Piero, then hell, what more do you want? We even got further in the CL then we did last year, and were unlucky to go out. What more could you want? We cant win the double consistently every year.
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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#49
++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++


If you cant credit a coach who managed to close up such a shakey defence (which just for the record not even Lippi could do)

Honestly, im quite and sick and tired of Lippi getting the blame for a shaky defense last season. Without people failing to see, that the resources on his hand were limited when compared to the lineup that stands this season. I wouldnt really give Capello the credit for tying up the defense, as much as i would give Cannavaro. Fact is, Lippi had come off a winning cycle, and that can happen to any team.
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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#50
Well Said Baggio, I'am sick as-well of People blaming Lippi for the 2003 Season when infact we had a terrible defence (Legro-Montero) When right now we have Cannavaro and Thuram playing alongside each others.
 

Dan

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Mar 9, 2004
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#51
++ [ originally posted by baggio ] ++



Honestly, im quite and sick and tired of Lippi getting the blame for a shaky defense last season. Without people failing to see, that the resources on his hand were limited when compared to the lineup that stands this season. I wouldnt really give Capello the credit for tying up the defense, as much as i would give Cannavaro. Fact is, Lippi had come off a winning cycle, and that can happen to any team.
So he didnt have the chance to sign someone in the winter..?

To be honest, it was a bit of everyones fault.

I would give Capello alot of credit- coaches decide where the players stand and where they move in what situations, and which formations they take in which areas of the pitch, so overall, Capello has done alot.
 
May 4, 2004
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#52
++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++


.. This is coming from the team that scored the most serie a goals, and conceded the least... much like Capello did with Roma last season, but you would argue they were an offensive team wouldnt you?

If you cant credit a coach who managed to close up such a shakey defence (which just for the record not even Lippi could do), got the best out of biggest underperformers such as Camorenesi (whom was called numerous times to be chucked out before this season), and in the end managed to get a good game out of Del Piero, then hell, what more do you want? We even got further in the CL then we did last year, and were unlucky to go out. What more could you want? We cant win the double consistently every year.
totaly agree !
 
May 4, 2004
11,622
#53
++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Yes, because Capello is out on the pitch playing. It's "almost" entirely his fault. :rolleyes:

Don't kid yourself and take those DP glasses off for a change because we know that's all you really care about in this regard.
again.. very true !
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,331
#54
++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++


Del Piero scored a legit goal in the first leg and Ibrahimovic was inches away, on the famous bouncing ball occassion and the one where thuram lobbed the ball to him. We just didnt use our chances.
Exactly. You nailed it. We were soo damn sure we would use those two chances we would definitely get, we didn't even try to create more. We could have totally outplayed Liverpool as they are, in all reality, not a very good team. But what did we do? We waited and expected to go through with a lucky goal. That's not how we should have played. The tactics were miserable.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,331
#55
++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++


So he didnt have the chance to sign someone in the winter..?

To be honest, it was a bit of everyones fault.

I would give Capello alot of credit- coaches decide where the players stand and where they move in what situations, and which formations they take in which areas of the pitch, so overall, Capello has done alot.
Capello could have signed better players than he did. That said, it's a total disgrace how everyone acts like Capello was able to win the scudetto with a mediocre Juve. If anything, Capello was responsible for our mediocricy. He chose to attract Zlatan, Emerson and Zebina and he chose to play with Blasi rather than making some other top transfers as well. Sure Emerson, and Zlatan proved valuable, but saying Capello HAD TO DO with a mediocre Juve is twisted.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
#56
Moggi gave us much more than Capello,
he gave us 3world class players and Capello!
Cap, even if he really is better than Lippi(though i doubt that),
he isnt that better to make that obvius difference.
this year improovement, than last year's doesnt represents the difference between the two coaches,
we wouldnt make it with just a coach upgrade,
our team was tired, old and had hardware limitations,
we upgraded every line,
Roma colapsed, Milan got tired and old as we were(not that much but enough) and Inter was once again the Inter we know,
Cap and Lippi both demonstrated that can do great job with the right material,
Juventus never spent big money unless its absolutely necesary,
last season crisis made those investments necesary,

We hadnt any software(coach) problem but only hardware(players),

the colapse we had was because of Nedved underperformed,
the managers failure to resolve problems with davids,
(the Maresca solution wasnt a serius move,just a cheap one),
the repeated Trezequet,DP accidentations and varius other problems,
u cant blame Lippi for all,
it was Lippi's worst season because our team had serius problems Cap never faced,
we upgraded half of our defence(Canna+Zebina)
half of our midfield(Emerson+Blasi)
and half of our attack(Zlatan)=>half of our team,
its unfair to compare this new team with the old
as its unfair if lets say as ex. Deshamps were coming this year
and we change:
the half defence (Gallas+Chivu),
the half midfield (Vieira+Ze roberto)
and half attack (Gilardino)
if we do better with those guys that means Deshamps is better than Cap?

Zambro underperformed this year, Buffon wasnt at his best either,
we know Neddy might add more than he did this year,
if those guys get back to there Lippi form that would mean that Deshamps worked miracles on them and take 100%of them and Cap didnt?

Be obiective, coaches arent Gods,
if DP's goal was valid,or late Canna's header was goal,
who would crititise Cap defensive play with Liverpool?

if dida would touch the treze goal in the decisive derby harder
and divert the ball out,
thing that would later lead to the loss of scudetto,
that would mean Cap is a looser and a failure?

there are hundreds of factors that may affect the final result,
coach is just another element, not the only one,
football isnt chess, its a team sport
and coaches arent athlets.

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Jan 7, 2004
29,704
#59
if anybody blame's capello for tactics then everybody forgot the 4-3-3

who seriously thought that without nedved we had a chance against real ? and then you see the team with 3 forwards who just ripped real appart.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
#60
we ve seen from the begining of the year that Cap didnt choose to play the 4-3-3 system,
he was forced to do this, (i remember many forum members here, were asking the change of the system earlier than Cap finaly made it!)
if it prooved to be better than the system he choosed earlier,
that means he was initialy mistaken.

Ah, the real madrid game!
Our players gave their heart for this match,
we had the tactical superiority, but it wouldnt be enough
without our athlets super performance and effort

and we ve done it twice!
now we can say we own them, as a club,
our superdefensive way of play is the best weapon against them.
 

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