wouldnt say he was a coward, but he wasn't a champion either...left us when we needed him most. He's over the hill anyway, hasn't been doing anything really at Madrid.
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I'm not surprised that he wants to finish his career in Italy, certainly not least because of the torrid time he's having in Madrid. In any case, he deserves better than the mediocrity that could only come of his time under Capello; I am, however, more than a little sceptical of the Maradona bit, though.
I would love the see Maradona coach Napoli.
A sesssion of coke in the pre-match talk to start off the game on a high.
But it is understandable why Canna has so much for Diego. Despite his faults, I find Diego totally humane, and talent that nobody could possibly ever match. Forget overrated Pele, he played in an era where it is more like semi-pro status in modern perspectives. Maradona played at a time players really began to build up physically, tactically and technically and yet he was class apart from the rest. And to single handely win insanely tough Serie A twice - a good analogy would be amalgamation of all the best teams in Europe since 7-8 Italian teams would have finished top 10 in an European super league - is a feat beyond miracle.
I do think Canna will hang up his boot in Serie A though - I am confident about this. And I personally have no grudge for the hard-performances he put in whilst he spent his 2 years here. You just cant doubt the 110% he put in on the pitch, which cannot be said of Ibra. Beside, I feel we got a decent value of almost retiring defender. He has always been alongside Thuram my favorite defender eversince Parma days and I wish him best of luck.
A sesssion of coke in the pre-match talk to start off the game on a high.
But it is understandable why Canna has so much for Diego. Despite his faults, I find Diego totally humane, and talent that nobody could possibly ever match. Forget overrated Pele, he played in an era where it is more like semi-pro status in modern perspectives. Maradona played at a time players really began to build up physically, tactically and technically and yet he was class apart from the rest. And to single handely win insanely tough Serie A twice - a good analogy would be amalgamation of all the best teams in Europe since 7-8 Italian teams would have finished top 10 in an European super league - is a feat beyond miracle.
I do think Canna will hang up his boot in Serie A though - I am confident about this. And I personally have no grudge for the hard-performances he put in whilst he spent his 2 years here. You just cant doubt the 110% he put in on the pitch, which cannot be said of Ibra. Beside, I feel we got a decent value of almost retiring defender. He has always been alongside Thuram my favorite defender eversince Parma days and I wish him best of luck.
Well this prooves that this heretic is nothing but a cheap lier,
he said that he wont dump us, when everybody thought he would and everybody could respect/understand that,
the he chooses to go, bringing in a small amount for his value just because he regret that and felt it was a time for a big chalenge
and now he doesnt look all that determined for this great "chalenge" and has thoughts on returning in Italy...
would he return to a serie b club? i dont think so, it would be just another "air talk" by the legendary defender...
he said that he wont dump us, when everybody thought he would and everybody could respect/understand that,
the he chooses to go, bringing in a small amount for his value just because he regret that and felt it was a time for a big chalenge
and now he doesnt look all that determined for this great "chalenge" and has thoughts on returning in Italy...
would he return to a serie b club? i dont think so, it would be just another "air talk" by the legendary defender...
Jun-hide said:
I would love the see Maradona coach Napoli.
A sesssion of coke in the pre-match talk to start off the game on a high.
But it is understandable why Canna has so much for Diego. Despite his faults, I find Diego totally humane, and talent that nobody could possibly ever match. Forget overrated Pele, he played in an era where it is more like semi-pro status in modern perspectives. Maradona played at a time players really began to build up physically, tactically and technically and yet he was class apart from the rest. And to single handely win insanely tough Serie A twice - a good analogy would be amalgamation of all the best teams in Europe since 7-8 Italian teams would have finished top 10 in an European super league - is a feat beyond miracle.
A sesssion of coke in the pre-match talk to start off the game on a high.
But it is understandable why Canna has so much for Diego. Despite his faults, I find Diego totally humane, and talent that nobody could possibly ever match. Forget overrated Pele, he played in an era where it is more like semi-pro status in modern perspectives. Maradona played at a time players really began to build up physically, tactically and technically and yet he was class apart from the rest. And to single handely win insanely tough Serie A twice - a good analogy would be amalgamation of all the best teams in Europe since 7-8 Italian teams would have finished top 10 in an European super league - is a feat beyond miracle.
do you think that this man can teach anyone , (esp an italian FC) of discipline, do you think that he can cope against the best tactics Europe has? do you think that he will share his talents with the rest of the team? did he as a player? with his great coaching exp??
i bet even DD can own him as a coach...
If anyone was ever OVERrated that was Maradona, not Pele,
Pele was a true, pure talent, he had un-real skills and made the difference between other legendary players in his NT,
he also was a real noble sportsman who loved this damn sport with the black and white ball, he played football because it was the love of his life,
just like Dinho today but on a better striker wise edition.
Maradona was a junkie with brilliant tehnique too
BUT he was a freakin junkie, any drugged player could have come up with than run/speed and stamina, we surely know that Napoli had the power to protect him from the unexisted tests back then,
Maradona came in the era when doping was obligatory in football,
todays footballers are superhuman because of the higher tech, not only because of the higher talent, you cannot blame Pele and his entire generation because less enhanced drugs were existed back then,
we cant say what Pele would have been in modern times with the current "help",
neither what Maradona whould have been in the Pele's times without the help his was using
FIFA and UEFA didnt forget Maradona because he was a junkie pseudo-rebel communist, they left him out of the equation because he wasnt the right prototype for the young ppl to follow and they know better
Our generation has seen more of Maradona than Pele,
we have seen the modern super paced football to outpace the older one,
but we should respect the REAL athlets of the past and dont blindly trust the modern crop that would use any means necessary (like "the hand of God") to get a strop of fame and money for themselves,
there were different times back then, less... corrupted...
there are diferent standards every time,
we cant judge someone who excelled in the past with modern day standards, its very unfair, the excellent players can adapt very easily at any conditions...
Maradona as a coach ment as joke. Of course, I don't consider him as a coach material when his sanity is in jepody.
Pele's 1000 goal is probably an achievement that shall never be broken. But he played in an era where players were less physically prepared, tactically inept, and technicall inferior. Of course this has nothing with the later generation being dope - although I suspect there might be some element of truth in this for certain players. Today's generation has the benefit of better nutritients, training methods, far more exposure to superior plays, and most importantly more competitive talent pool from which these players emerge. Today's professional is one of million instead of 20-30 thousand back in the old days. Naturally, they have to be better in order to make a living out of playing at a professional level. My suspicion is that the increase in the ability of Pele would largely less and dimishing than the general increase in the standard of play in general due to conditions made possible by advance in science and living standards.
As a case in point, without any disrespect, I find it hard to phantom today's players being exhausted to a physical level that was evident in the 4-3 match between W.Germany and Italia in 1970. There were some great players on the pitch but the matter of fact is modern day guys are simply better. IMO, the rise in the standards began rapidly in the late 1970s to truly went to different level from mid 80s onwards. And this was followed by general convergence between the quality of teams throughout the world. Even Maradona can not acclaim to dominate the world in the same manner as Pele did - that is because the competition became far stronger with likes of G.Gentile kicking his legs instead of Vogts. Yet, Maradona was still far ahead of his contemporaries and elevated a brand of football to the state of art - which cannot be said of Pele however many time you watch his footages. As a fan I know, I will pay to watch Maradona anyday of the week and twice on sundays. I don't know much about Pele, but the Maradona I remember is, despite his faults, full of human qualities and personability though flawed but immensely adorable. If anything one must wonder what he could have achieved had he not drugged himself out the game - as we should not forget his problem was largely cocaine not performance enhancing steriods of modern day players.
Pele's 1000 goal is probably an achievement that shall never be broken. But he played in an era where players were less physically prepared, tactically inept, and technicall inferior. Of course this has nothing with the later generation being dope - although I suspect there might be some element of truth in this for certain players. Today's generation has the benefit of better nutritients, training methods, far more exposure to superior plays, and most importantly more competitive talent pool from which these players emerge. Today's professional is one of million instead of 20-30 thousand back in the old days. Naturally, they have to be better in order to make a living out of playing at a professional level. My suspicion is that the increase in the ability of Pele would largely less and dimishing than the general increase in the standard of play in general due to conditions made possible by advance in science and living standards.
As a case in point, without any disrespect, I find it hard to phantom today's players being exhausted to a physical level that was evident in the 4-3 match between W.Germany and Italia in 1970. There were some great players on the pitch but the matter of fact is modern day guys are simply better. IMO, the rise in the standards began rapidly in the late 1970s to truly went to different level from mid 80s onwards. And this was followed by general convergence between the quality of teams throughout the world. Even Maradona can not acclaim to dominate the world in the same manner as Pele did - that is because the competition became far stronger with likes of G.Gentile kicking his legs instead of Vogts. Yet, Maradona was still far ahead of his contemporaries and elevated a brand of football to the state of art - which cannot be said of Pele however many time you watch his footages. As a fan I know, I will pay to watch Maradona anyday of the week and twice on sundays. I don't know much about Pele, but the Maradona I remember is, despite his faults, full of human qualities and personability though flawed but immensely adorable. If anything one must wonder what he could have achieved had he not drugged himself out the game - as we should not forget his problem was largely cocaine not performance enhancing steriods of modern day players.
For all those who still respect this thing:
In a new interview, he said that if Buffon wins the Golden Goal, it will be because he had great defenders who protected his goals like himself, Thuram and Materazzi!!!!
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=7&a=23415
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Idiot...
In a new interview, he said that if Buffon wins the Golden Goal, it will be because he had great defenders who protected his goals like himself, Thuram and Materazzi!!!!
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=7&a=23415
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Idiot...
JUN:
I knew it was ment as a joke, i just wanted to use one of the very, very very rare chances you ever gave me to contradict you
i always agree with your opinions and this was getting boring
If you can remember W.Germany times then you can remember what i was talking about,
i agree again with the facts you stated about the footy condition today and yesterday but i disagree on judge-ing the past players with todays standards,
yes i agree that the numbers today make it more competitive, but i dont think that affects the Holy football land called Brazil,
coaches, techiniques , tactics, the spactacol demanding TV and crowds create a much more demanding field of battle today,
that leaves little space for someone to make the diference in modern football, since the optimisation of the footballers as athlets has reached the human limits (for now at least)
someone able to do that diference today is smth impossible,
but this cannot erase the value of the older legends, they helped the modern football to develop were he is today:eyebrows:
we cant really know how well they could adapt in modern times football and how much impact they could haven using todays standards, they could worse or better,
thats why IMO we must judge the impact they had back at their era, against adversaries using the same standards.
As an ex maybe todays serie b roster can easily win a late 70' Juventus roster, but if we grab those 70'Juventini and treat them the same way are treated today then things would chance, got what i mean now?
As for Maradona and his generation, i think he was happy to take part of this specific generation of change, from footballers to super footballers,
Germany,Russia,Holland and Italy had the best "substances" to conquer the world and the football, it was the time some south American traditional super powers vanished and the European football reclaimed supremacy,
i dont think it was random...
i m saying that Maradona have chances to be favoured not only by his unique football skills, but from the para-fotballistic enviroment that allowed some athlets to gain a special advantage over the rest of the world,
his generations cannot be considered as a free from doping generation but also neither todays catholic use of them,
the standards were diferent then and allowed some of the very skillled players to make the diference as easier as ever IMO, thats why half of the legendary players came from that period and stoped coming shortly after it...
I knew it was ment as a joke,
i just wanted to use one of the very, very very rare chances you ever gave me to contradict you i always agree with your opinions and this was getting boring
If you can remember W.Germany times then you can remember what i was talking about,
i agree again with the facts you stated about the footy condition today and yesterday but i disagree on judge-ing the past players with todays standards,
yes i agree that the numbers today make it more competitive, but i dont think that affects the Holy football land called Brazil,
coaches, techiniques , tactics, the spactacol demanding TV and crowds create a much more demanding field of battle today,
that leaves little space for someone to make the diference in modern football, since the optimisation of the footballers as athlets has reached the human limits (for now at least)
someone able to do that diference today is smth impossible,
but this cannot erase the value of the older legends, they helped the modern football to develop were he is today:eyebrows:
we cant really know how well they could adapt in modern times football and how much impact they could haven using todays standards, they could worse or better,
thats why IMO we must judge the impact they had back at their era, against adversaries using the same standards.
As an ex maybe todays serie b roster can easily win a late 70' Juventus roster, but if we grab those 70'Juventini and treat them the same way are treated today then things would chance, got what i mean now?
As for Maradona and his generation, i think he was happy to take part of this specific generation of change, from footballers to super footballers,
Germany,Russia,Holland and Italy had the best "substances" to conquer the world and the football, it was the time some south American traditional super powers vanished and the European football reclaimed supremacy,
i dont think it was random...
i m saying that Maradona have chances to be favoured not only by his unique football skills, but from the para-fotballistic enviroment that allowed some athlets to gain a special advantage over the rest of the world,
his generations cannot be considered as a free from doping generation but also neither todays catholic use of them,
the standards were diferent then and allowed some of the very skillled players to make the diference as easier as ever IMO, thats why half of the legendary players came from that period and stoped coming shortly after it...
Cronios said:
First of all, Maradona will sux as a coach, he is not the kind of players that ever developed to good coaches
do you think that this man can teach anyone , (esp an italian FC) of discipline, do you think that he can cope against the best tactics Europe has? do you think that he will share his talents with the rest of the team? did he as a player? with his great coaching exp??
i bet even DD can own him as a coach...
If anyone was ever OVERrated that was Maradona, not Pele,
Pele was a true, pure talent, he had un-real skills and made the difference between other legendary players in his NT,
he also was a real noble sportsman who loved this damn sport with the black and white ball, he played football because it was the love of his life,just like Dinho today but on a better striker wise edition.
Maradona was a junkie with brilliant tehnique too
BUT he was a freakin junkie, any drugged player could have come up with than run/speed and stamina, we surely know that Napoli had the power to protect him from the unexisted tests back then,
Maradona came in the era when doping was obligatory in football,
todays footballers are superhuman because of the higher tech, not only because of the higher talent, you cannot blame Pele and his entire generation because less enhanced drugs were existed back then,
we cant say what Pele would have been in modern times with the current "help",
neither what Maradona whould have been in the Pele's times without the help his was using
FIFA and UEFA didnt forget Maradona because he was a junkie pseudo-rebel communist, they left him out of the equation because he wasnt the right prototype for the young ppl to follow and they know better
Our generation has seen more of Maradona than Pele,
we have seen the modern super paced football to outpace the older one,
but we should respect the REAL athlets of the past and dont blindly trust the modern crop that would use any means necessary (like "the hand of God") to get a strop of fame and money for themselves,
there were different times back then, less... corrupted...
there are diferent standards every time,
we cant judge someone who excelled in the past with modern day standards, its very unfair, the excellent players can adapt very easily at any conditions...
do you think that this man can teach anyone , (esp an italian FC) of discipline, do you think that he can cope against the best tactics Europe has? do you think that he will share his talents with the rest of the team? did he as a player? with his great coaching exp??
i bet even DD can own him as a coach...
If anyone was ever OVERrated that was Maradona, not Pele,
Pele was a true, pure talent, he had un-real skills and made the difference between other legendary players in his NT,
he also was a real noble sportsman who loved this damn sport with the black and white ball, he played football because it was the love of his life,just like Dinho today but on a better striker wise edition.
Maradona was a junkie with brilliant tehnique too
BUT he was a freakin junkie, any drugged player could have come up with than run/speed and stamina, we surely know that Napoli had the power to protect him from the unexisted tests back then,
Maradona came in the era when doping was obligatory in football,
todays footballers are superhuman because of the higher tech, not only because of the higher talent, you cannot blame Pele and his entire generation because less enhanced drugs were existed back then,
we cant say what Pele would have been in modern times with the current "help",
neither what Maradona whould have been in the Pele's times without the help his was using
FIFA and UEFA didnt forget Maradona because he was a junkie pseudo-rebel communist, they left him out of the equation because he wasnt the right prototype for the young ppl to follow and they know better
Our generation has seen more of Maradona than Pele,
we have seen the modern super paced football to outpace the older one,
but we should respect the REAL athlets of the past and dont blindly trust the modern crop that would use any means necessary (like "the hand of God") to get a strop of fame and money for themselves,
there were different times back then, less... corrupted...
there are diferent standards every time,
we cant judge someone who excelled in the past with modern day standards, its very unfair, the excellent players can adapt very easily at any conditions...
However there is one thing. Some people used to say that Pele was a modest guy, who was popular with his team-mates, just as DP is today.
Chelsea agree terms with Real Madrid's Cannavaro
tribalfooball.com - January 27, 2007
Chelsea have agreed a shock deal for Real Madrid veteran defender Fabio Cannavaro.
The Sunday Times says Chelsea has agreed in principle a salary of £3.4million with the Italy defender and has been told by Real Madrid's current administration that it will not stand in the way of a summer transfer.
The deal has been done without Jose Mourinho's involvement, the Blues boss blocked a summer move for the World Cup winning captain.
Cannavaro will be the first recruit of a "London Galactico" transfer policy that Roman Abramovich has long wanted to enforce at his club, but has seen stymied by Mourinho's reluctance to work with older, more storied players.
tribalfooball.com - January 27, 2007
Chelsea have agreed a shock deal for Real Madrid veteran defender Fabio Cannavaro.
The Sunday Times says Chelsea has agreed in principle a salary of £3.4million with the Italy defender and has been told by Real Madrid's current administration that it will not stand in the way of a summer transfer.
The deal has been done without Jose Mourinho's involvement, the Blues boss blocked a summer move for the World Cup winning captain.
Cannavaro will be the first recruit of a "London Galactico" transfer policy that Roman Abramovich has long wanted to enforce at his club, but has seen stymied by Mourinho's reluctance to work with older, more storied players.
