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Facchetti at 41 with the article 6 reference regarding him on 61.
- Facchetti with Mazzei where Facchetti suggests two specific linesmen for a game.
- Facchetti with Bergamo where Facchetti potential referees are discussed regarding the upcoming Juventus-Inter match
- Facchetti complains to Bergamo about Bertini (referee) where Bergamo promises to speak with Bertini.
- Facchetti and Bergamo discussing Collina (where there was confusion as to who names him). The matter was nonetheless considered illicit because the two came to an agreement on how to appoint him referee of the match by the process of elimination. Remember that a referee cannot officiate a game for a team twice in a row or a game where one of the teams is from his birth region. Facchetti suggested adding Rosetti (from the Turin area) and another referee that had officiated Juve the prior week (I believe Racalbuto but it isn’t clear and I don’t remember) into the grid with Collina so that the only one left for Inter-Juve would have been Collina. It was a plot regardless of who named “Collina”.
- Facchetti telling Bergamo to swing by Moratti’s to pick up a gift.
- Facchetti and Bergamo where Bergamo states that he would like to speak with Moratti because he would like to give them (Inter) a hand because Inter shouldn’t be that far down the standings. In that call Facchetti provides Bergamo with Moratti’s cell (good thing he never spoke to them)
- Facchetti invites Bergamo to a private dinner in Livorno where Facchetti was instructed to bring a person he trusted. Further calls confirmed the dinner occurred.
- Facchetti and Bergamo again discuss Bertini where it is requested that he be prepared well for a good game.
- Facchetti and Bergamo discuss what referee/linesmen will officiate an upcoming Coppa Italia match where no grids were used
- Facchetti instructs Bergamo to pick up a bag at the concierge of the Hotel Michelangelo (Bergamo couldn’t remember what was inside)
- Bergamo discusses Inter’s 1-1 draw with Chievo where he insists that Paparesta was prepared by him to do a good job, they then discuss the officials (Palanca being one) for another upcoming Coppa Italia match (it’s important to note that Inter won that tournament and that it was plenty sketchy)
- Facchetti tries to get Trefoloni out of officiating an upcoming Palermo match because he and Mancini (then coach) had personal issues and Bergamo reassures him that he will be prepared to do a good job. In another call Facchetti complains about him and the good job he did.
- Racalbuto is discussed before and upcoming match with Atalanta again stating that Racalbuto had fought with Inter and that he didn’t feel comfortable with him…Bergamo again reassures him that he is being prepared to do a good job.
- Facchetti ad Bergamo discuss the grid regarding an upcoming match with Milan where Collina is mentioned again
- Bergamo and Facchetti discuss the De Santis officiated match against Juve where Inter won 1-0 and Bergamo says that he had prepared De Santis well and that he was very pleased with the match
- Another Coppa match with Cagliari is discussed referring to Bertini. In that same call Facchetti complained that inter were 4-4-4 and that it would be embarrassing if they didn’t go 5-4-4 in their next game against Cagliari. Facchetti asks that in the next game the referee be informed that it was crucial that Inter win and Bergamo confirms that the Bertini is intelligent and understands
- Facchetti and Bergamo regarding an upcoming Coppa match where Facchetti says “send me Gabriele”, he was sent and they won.
- Facchetti and Bergamo where Bergamo asks if it is ok with Facchetti to send Brighi to do their upcoming match with Chievo
- Bergamo asks Facchetti for 4 free tickets to a game
- Pairetto and Facchetti where Pairetto promises to prepare the referees well
- Pairetto and Facchetti where Facchetti asks if he had straightened out Trefoloni after he had officiated an Inter-Roma game adding that these are private matters between the two of them only (Facchetti and Pairetto)
- Pairetto asks Facchetti for free CL tickets
- Pairetto and Facchetti discuss grids again for an upcoming match with Bologna where Collina is again the major discussion point
- Mazzei (linesmen designator) and Facchetti discuss upcoming designations where Facchetti asks for the best 2 and Mazzei promises his #1 and #2 Ivaldi ad Pisacreta where he also states that they need to find a way to bypass the grid in order to get the #1 referee as well (Collina), this discussion occurred again later between Facchetti and Bergamo
- Mazzei gets two free tickets
- Mazzei discusses a private meeting with Facchetti away from journalists
- Mazzei gets gifts in a hotel
- Facchetti-De Santis where Facchettio says he’d like to greet him after a match with Milan (ARTICLE 6 talking to a referee on the phone)
- Facchetti-De Santis exchanged text messages and spoke again about the latest derby
- Lanese – Facchetti where Lanese gets free tickets to Inter-Roma and reassures Facchetti that he’s working on the designators (he was the head of the Italian Referee Association)
- Lanese and Facchetti discuss the designators and problems that Facchetti has with them and that soon Carraro (FIGC president) will replace them
- Referee Nucini and Facchetti, no calls but the confessions in court (other trials) were referred to and it was confirmed that the two met and spoke frequently while Nucini was officiating (4 matches with Inter) and that the rapport was an illicit violation. Several occasions were listed
In the evaluation section of the publication Palazzi says that some of those calls impeded the impartiality of the refereeing sector and were therefore Article 6 violations while others were unsportsmanlike and only served as Article 1 violations. He doesn’t really break them down but it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that speaking to a ref, meeting with a ref, fixing the grid and requesting a specific ref etc are the Article 6s
- Facchetti with Mazzei where Facchetti suggests two specific linesmen for a game.
- Facchetti with Bergamo where Facchetti potential referees are discussed regarding the upcoming Juventus-Inter match
- Facchetti complains to Bergamo about Bertini (referee) where Bergamo promises to speak with Bertini.
- Facchetti and Bergamo discussing Collina (where there was confusion as to who names him). The matter was nonetheless considered illicit because the two came to an agreement on how to appoint him referee of the match by the process of elimination. Remember that a referee cannot officiate a game for a team twice in a row or a game where one of the teams is from his birth region. Facchetti suggested adding Rosetti (from the Turin area) and another referee that had officiated Juve the prior week (I believe Racalbuto but it isn’t clear and I don’t remember) into the grid with Collina so that the only one left for Inter-Juve would have been Collina. It was a plot regardless of who named “Collina”.
- Facchetti telling Bergamo to swing by Moratti’s to pick up a gift.
- Facchetti and Bergamo where Bergamo states that he would like to speak with Moratti because he would like to give them (Inter) a hand because Inter shouldn’t be that far down the standings. In that call Facchetti provides Bergamo with Moratti’s cell (good thing he never spoke to them)
- Facchetti invites Bergamo to a private dinner in Livorno where Facchetti was instructed to bring a person he trusted. Further calls confirmed the dinner occurred.
- Facchetti and Bergamo again discuss Bertini where it is requested that he be prepared well for a good game.
- Facchetti and Bergamo discuss what referee/linesmen will officiate an upcoming Coppa Italia match where no grids were used
- Facchetti instructs Bergamo to pick up a bag at the concierge of the Hotel Michelangelo (Bergamo couldn’t remember what was inside)
- Bergamo discusses Inter’s 1-1 draw with Chievo where he insists that Paparesta was prepared by him to do a good job, they then discuss the officials (Palanca being one) for another upcoming Coppa Italia match (it’s important to note that Inter won that tournament and that it was plenty sketchy)
- Facchetti tries to get Trefoloni out of officiating an upcoming Palermo match because he and Mancini (then coach) had personal issues and Bergamo reassures him that he will be prepared to do a good job. In another call Facchetti complains about him and the good job he did.
- Racalbuto is discussed before and upcoming match with Atalanta again stating that Racalbuto had fought with Inter and that he didn’t feel comfortable with him…Bergamo again reassures him that he is being prepared to do a good job.
- Facchetti ad Bergamo discuss the grid regarding an upcoming match with Milan where Collina is mentioned again
- Bergamo and Facchetti discuss the De Santis officiated match against Juve where Inter won 1-0 and Bergamo says that he had prepared De Santis well and that he was very pleased with the match
- Another Coppa match with Cagliari is discussed referring to Bertini. In that same call Facchetti complained that inter were 4-4-4 and that it would be embarrassing if they didn’t go 5-4-4 in their next game against Cagliari. Facchetti asks that in the next game the referee be informed that it was crucial that Inter win and Bergamo confirms that the Bertini is intelligent and understands
- Facchetti and Bergamo regarding an upcoming Coppa match where Facchetti says “send me Gabriele”, he was sent and they won.
- Facchetti and Bergamo where Bergamo asks if it is ok with Facchetti to send Brighi to do their upcoming match with Chievo
- Bergamo asks Facchetti for 4 free tickets to a game
- Pairetto and Facchetti where Pairetto promises to prepare the referees well
- Pairetto and Facchetti where Facchetti asks if he had straightened out Trefoloni after he had officiated an Inter-Roma game adding that these are private matters between the two of them only (Facchetti and Pairetto)
- Pairetto asks Facchetti for free CL tickets
- Pairetto and Facchetti discuss grids again for an upcoming match with Bologna where Collina is again the major discussion point
- Mazzei (linesmen designator) and Facchetti discuss upcoming designations where Facchetti asks for the best 2 and Mazzei promises his #1 and #2 Ivaldi ad Pisacreta where he also states that they need to find a way to bypass the grid in order to get the #1 referee as well (Collina), this discussion occurred again later between Facchetti and Bergamo
- Mazzei gets two free tickets
- Mazzei discusses a private meeting with Facchetti away from journalists
- Mazzei gets gifts in a hotel
- Facchetti-De Santis where Facchettio says he’d like to greet him after a match with Milan (ARTICLE 6 talking to a referee on the phone)
- Facchetti-De Santis exchanged text messages and spoke again about the latest derby
- Lanese – Facchetti where Lanese gets free tickets to Inter-Roma and reassures Facchetti that he’s working on the designators (he was the head of the Italian Referee Association)
- Lanese and Facchetti discuss the designators and problems that Facchetti has with them and that soon Carraro (FIGC president) will replace them
- Referee Nucini and Facchetti, no calls but the confessions in court (other trials) were referred to and it was confirmed that the two met and spoke frequently while Nucini was officiating (4 matches with Inter) and that the rapport was an illicit violation. Several occasions were listed
In the evaluation section of the publication Palazzi says that some of those calls impeded the impartiality of the refereeing sector and were therefore Article 6 violations while others were unsportsmanlike and only served as Article 1 violations. He doesn’t really break them down but it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that speaking to a ref, meeting with a ref, fixing the grid and requesting a specific ref etc are the Article 6s
FFS!!! Does anyone know this beside us on Juventuz?? I mean, come on. Not only that there should be another trial with all this new evidence, but Facchettis grave should be dug up and his skeleton placed in the courtroom to face the trial!!! Damn, Italian football is so corrupted....Maybe that suggestion (made by FIFA i think) for foreign refferees to be brought should be seriously looked at.....
And KABLAM.. Or something.
Thank you! It's appreciated. It will surley come in handy in the future.
One question though:
"- Facchetti and Bergamo discussing Collina (where there was confusion as to who names him). The matter was nonetheless considered illicit because the two came to an agreement on how to appoint him referee of the match by the process of elimination. Remember that a referee cannot officiate a game for a team twice in a row or a game where one of the teams is from his birth region. Facchetti suggested adding Rosetti (from the Turin area) and another referee that had officiated Juve the prior week (I believe Racalbuto but it isn’t clear and I don’t remember) into the grid with Collina so that the only one left for Inter-Juve would have been Collina. It was a plot regardless of who named “Collina”."
It was De Santis, not Racabulto. I remember this call because I've written about it. But that part was between Facchetti and Mazzei. However the Bergamo-Facchetti call is ofcourse connected to it. But what I want to point out is that the two didnt come to an agreement. I think it was Rodomonti who officiated the game. But that doesnt take much away from the fact that Facchetti DID IN FACT try to appoint Collina.
Now my question is if trying to get what you want even if it doesnt succeed still is regarded as article 6?
GRIGLIA FACCHETTI-MAZZEI
(25 novembre 2004)
Mazzei: «Sono in macchina che vado a Coverciano».
Facchetti: «Sceglili bene per domenica sera eh?».
M: «Il numero 1 e il numero 2, da quello che penso, Ivaldi e Pisacreta».
F: «Ivaldi e Pisacreta?».
M: «Eh sono il numero 1 e il numero 2».
F: «Sì certo, e il numero 1 degli arbitri? (Collina? Ndr)».
M: «Eh sì, speriamo che ci caschi con questo sorteggio del cavolo, che ci caschi il numero 1».
F: «No lì non devono fare i sorteggi, ci de*vono ».
M: «Come si fa Giacinto, purtroppo ci vuole fortuna».
F: «Ma dai?».
M: «Ti dico la verità, qui un sorteggio lo fa un giornalista, devono studiare una griglia e le possibilità sono più alte».
M: «L’unica cosa è che devono studiare una griglia dove le possibilità sono più al*te per LUI..»
F: «Ma se mettono De Santis che ha già fatto la Juve domenica e non può, metto*no Rosetti che è di Torino...»
Beh, facendo così il numero 1 (Collina, ndr) esce per forza
Here is a very good clip which goes through everything in great detail:
Regards,
Thank you! It's appreciated. It will surley come in handy in the future.
One question though:
"- Facchetti and Bergamo discussing Collina (where there was confusion as to who names him). The matter was nonetheless considered illicit because the two came to an agreement on how to appoint him referee of the match by the process of elimination. Remember that a referee cannot officiate a game for a team twice in a row or a game where one of the teams is from his birth region. Facchetti suggested adding Rosetti (from the Turin area) and another referee that had officiated Juve the prior week (I believe Racalbuto but it isn’t clear and I don’t remember) into the grid with Collina so that the only one left for Inter-Juve would have been Collina. It was a plot regardless of who named “Collina”."
It was De Santis, not Racabulto. I remember this call because I've written about it. But that part was between Facchetti and Mazzei. However the Bergamo-Facchetti call is ofcourse connected to it. But what I want to point out is that the two didnt come to an agreement. I think it was Rodomonti who officiated the game. But that doesnt take much away from the fact that Facchetti DID IN FACT try to appoint Collina.
Now my question is if trying to get what you want even if it doesnt succeed still is regarded as article 6?
GRIGLIA FACCHETTI-MAZZEI
(25 novembre 2004)
Mazzei: «Sono in macchina che vado a Coverciano».
Facchetti: «Sceglili bene per domenica sera eh?».
M: «Il numero 1 e il numero 2, da quello che penso, Ivaldi e Pisacreta».
F: «Ivaldi e Pisacreta?».
M: «Eh sono il numero 1 e il numero 2».
F: «Sì certo, e il numero 1 degli arbitri? (Collina? Ndr)».
M: «Eh sì, speriamo che ci caschi con questo sorteggio del cavolo, che ci caschi il numero 1».
F: «No lì non devono fare i sorteggi, ci de*vono ».
M: «Come si fa Giacinto, purtroppo ci vuole fortuna».
F: «Ma dai?».
M: «Ti dico la verità, qui un sorteggio lo fa un giornalista, devono studiare una griglia e le possibilità sono più alte».
M: «L’unica cosa è che devono studiare una griglia dove le possibilità sono più al*te per LUI..»
F: «Ma se mettono De Santis che ha già fatto la Juve domenica e non può, metto*no Rosetti che è di Torino...»
Beh, facendo così il numero 1 (Collina, ndr) esce per forza
Here is a very good clip which goes through everything in great detail:
Regards,
Attempting to gain an advantage is still article 6. The fact that it didn't happen may be simply because the other party was ethical...doesn't mean the initiator is too.
I wrote about the Facchetti Mazzei in the post call but there is a very similar one with Bergamo where much of the same was discussed. That is the one where the question "who said Collina" came from. It was actually more than one call because there were interruptions.
I wrote about the Facchetti Mazzei in the post call but there is a very similar one with Bergamo where much of the same was discussed. That is the one where the question "who said Collina" came from. It was actually more than one call because there were interruptions.
gsol...any answers to the following will be greatly appreciated...:
We have a team of lawyers working on our case apparently. Which should not prove difficult at all, given the resources available to Andrea (and John if he were to get involved. Exorr is huge, they must have an army of legal professionals always on standby) and also the very clear inequality of treatment and punishments, let alone the many links between Moratti and the FIGC. So...these lawyers...they aim first to go to CONI??? What can CONI do??? Are they owned or controlled or biased towards Moratti??? Can CONI compensate us, and punish those guilty of article 6 offences???
If CONI cannot help our cause, do we then head to strasbourg, and what can they do??????
What stage is Moggi at in his trial in Naples????
What role did john Elkann definitely play in the original nightmare??? Does he have any interest in the case now???
We have a team of lawyers working on our case apparently. Which should not prove difficult at all, given the resources available to Andrea (and John if he were to get involved. Exorr is huge, they must have an army of legal professionals always on standby) and also the very clear inequality of treatment and punishments, let alone the many links between Moratti and the FIGC. So...these lawyers...they aim first to go to CONI??? What can CONI do??? Are they owned or controlled or biased towards Moratti??? Can CONI compensate us, and punish those guilty of article 6 offences???
If CONI cannot help our cause, do we then head to strasbourg, and what can they do??????
What stage is Moggi at in his trial in Naples????
What role did john Elkann definitely play in the original nightmare??? Does he have any interest in the case now???
I don't trust CONI, leave it at that. I don't really believe financial compensation could come from one of their rulings anyway. It is just a step. They can force a retrial but the matters would remain in the sporting realm and financial shit will likely wind up having to pass through civil courts.
No one can go to Europe until all Italian courts have been attempted. It will take years to go to Europe.
Moggi's trial should be done in the fall but deadlines men nothing over there.
Only John knows the full extent of his involvement or lack of it.
No one can go to Europe until all Italian courts have been attempted. It will take years to go to Europe.
Moggi's trial should be done in the fall but deadlines men nothing over there.
Only John knows the full extent of his involvement or lack of it.
