Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (52 Viewers)

enzodileto

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I have a small hope that Andrea either was not part of the internal plot and has something up his sleeve (he does have Agnelli blood in him after all) or he was not complicit in their dealings and one day will be offered hard evidence and will take on his fuckhead of a cousin and that slippery fox Montezomolo.

Wouldn't that be the best solution ever that he has his own financial partners waiting (including Moggi & Giraudo) to perform a hostile takeover and then go for it to clear the club's name!

I know I am only dreaming that he is the man to take us forward but just imagine if he was playing the 'puppet' on purpose waiting for the right time to make his move and he is Giovanni / Umberto re-born to take Juve back to the summit of World Football!!!

That would make a great Hollywood Film script?! If only it was our reality!!!!!!!!!
 

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king Ale

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If Moggi's officially found the victim of all this eventually, all those who doubted him need to stop supporting Juve and go cheering for Inter in Serie B :agree:

It was a great article Melo. Many here have to read it all in order to finally have a clue about the whole thing instead of making fun of gsol, Elisa or anyone else who never believed this mockery of justice and been trying to inform us about how the process was going on in the past five years.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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"Moggi has claimed that he is taking his appeal to the Italian Olympic Committee (Coni) whose board members have already expressed interest in revisiting the entire Calciopoli case."

How true is this part and if the outcome positive what would that mean?

Can they overrule the FIGC?
 
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gsol

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    I have a small hope that Andrea either was not part of the internal plot and has something up his sleeve (he does have Agnelli blood in him after all) or he was not complicit in their dealings and one day will be offered hard evidence and will take on his fuckhead of a cousin and that slippery fox Montezomolo.

    Wouldn't that be the best solution ever that he has his own financial partners waiting (including Moggi & Giraudo) to perform a hostile takeover and then go for it to clear the club's name!

    I know I am only dreaming that he is the man to take us forward but just imagine if he was playing the 'puppet' on purpose waiting for the right time to make his move and he is Giovanni / Umberto re-born to take Juve back to the summit of World Football!!!

    That would make a great Hollywood Film script?! If only it was our reality!!!!!!!!!
    He wasn't part of it. Moggi and Giraudo were like uncles to him. He is likely well aware of everything but he is also 100% powerless. The team is financially dependent on EXOR now. Case closed. I know it sucks but that's it.
     
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    gsol

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    "Moggi has claimed that he is taking his appeal to the Italian Olympic Committee (Coni) whose board members have already expressed interest in revisiting the entire Calciopoli case."

    How true is this part and if the outcome positive what would that mean?

    Can they overrule the FIGC?
    It is true and they could overrule the FIGC. I don't completely trust CONI for the record. Keep expectations low when referring to sporting justice bodies in Italy.
     

    Hust

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    He wasn't part of it. Moggi and Giraudo were like uncles to him. He is likely well aware of everything but he is also 100% powerless. The team is financially dependent on EXOR now. Case closed. I know it sucks but that's it.
    Yeah it sucks, but the optimism in me thinks that this insanely blatantly obvious farce and injustice will not go on for much longer. I believe that sooner or later the media in Italy will start running with it, especially after the Naples trial and if Moggi keeps the fight on. I am well aware of the media control there and the idea is abysmal. However, hope will remain alive...regardless of Elkann and Monty.

    All I feel is that once pressure is applied to the FIGC from a higher source, they will have no choice but to give in. They would have too.
     

    PiN7uRiCCHi0

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    Aug 18, 2010
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    I can't see this happening, Hustini.

    Such intervention from a higher source would only complicate what is already enough complicated case and both FIFA and UEFA know this. This is why Juve never appealed on the first place against their demotion to Serie B. Because if Moggi and Giraudo are proven innocent that would mean the whole Calciopoli was a farce and this would damage the image of Serie A even a greater deal.

    So, as far as I am concerned, for the italian football to save its reputation Juve must never be proved innocent this is why I feel Moggi would never clear his name because no one would allow him to do it.
     
    Aug 2, 2005
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    I can't see this happening, Hustini.

    Such intervention from a higher source would only complicate what is already enough complicated case and both FIFA and UEFA know this. This is why Juve never appealed on the first place against their demotion to Serie B. Because if Moggi and Giraudo are proven innocent that would mean the whole Calciopoli was a farce and this would damage the image of Serie A even a greater deal.
    my hopes isn't high, I think eventually we may have our titles back. Moggi would be found guilty but not of what is originally accused of. especially the exclusive relation with the ref. designator and AIA.
    But also, guys, u should be aware that Moggi will never be back at the club.
    He is already 74, and till all this ends, he will face the objection of Elkan who is more controlling and powerful than Andrea.

    So, as far as I am concerned, for the italian football to save its reputation Juve must never be proved innocent this is why I feel Moggi would never clear his name because no one would allow him to do it.
    well, as far as I am concerned, fuck the Italian football, the most important thing is that the justice will be served. Juventus name must be cleared or at least those who did the same as Moggi did or even worse get the punishment as severe as we got.

    we can't go back in time, we can't get the great players we had back. (We can build for the future for sure) Those who did this to us must get there punishment as harsh as us.
     

    PiN7uRiCCHi0

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    Now don't get me wrong what I meant is that I feel Juve won't be given the chance to prove its innocence through Moggi's trial. I don't care about what people think of the italian football, for me the most important thing is Juve's name to be cleared.
     

    HAZEM

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    Apr 22, 2008
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    this shit needs to stop!! and the fans should involve on the situation.. it's so obvious that we are innocent and it was a dirty conspiracy to take the hilt from the old lady.
     

    enzodileto

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    www.juvemania.it/organizziamoci-noi-al-fianco-di-moggi/

    Organizziamoci: noi al fianco di Moggi

    Con la decisione di radiare Moggi e Giraudo, Organizziamoci prende atto che:

    La FIGC, rappresentata dal “fantoccio” dei poteri che dal 2006 controllano il calcio italiano, precipitato da Berlino a Johannesburg, ha perso una buona occasione per tentare di andare oltre farsopoli. Anche perchè il Presidente Federale cui era affidato il compito di decidere sulle radiazioni di Moggi e compagnia è riuscito, con una serie di artifizi giuridici, a scaricare l’incombenza sullo stesso Procuratore Federale che cinque anni fa formulò le accuse: Palazzi, appunto, che mai avrebbe ammesso di essersi sbagliato.

    Lo stesso Palazzi che in passato ha “salvato” dirigenti condannati dalla giustizia ordinaria per aver contraffatto documenti, al fine di aggirare le norme sportive. Lo stesso Palazzi che non ha richiesto di processare la società colpevole di reati come pedinamenti e intercettazioni abusive, facendo cadere il tutto nell’oblio della prescrizione. Lo stesso Palazzi che di concerto con i vertici federali ha evitato di radiare un presidente sorpreso in flagranza di reato con una valigetta piena di soldi. Lo stesso Palazzi che però, nell’occasione delle radiazioni, è stato inflessibile, ignorando le evidenze di un processo ordinario che ha completamente stravolto i presupposti su cui era basata farsopoli.

    Le istituzioni del calcio hanno quindi mandato un segnale preciso. Per loro, “calciopoli” si è chiusa inequivocabilmente nel 2006 e a niente servono nuovi processi. La loro convinzione non sarà scalfita da nessun fatto nuovo, per quanto clamoroso. E per rafforzare questo principio, i giudici della Commissione disciplinare hanno addirittura rincarato la dose aggiungendo nelle motivazioni, alle farneticazioni di Palazzi, concetti come “allarme sociale”o “comportamenti altamente inquinanti”.

    Alla luce di quanto avvenuto per le radiazioni, pare oggi scontato anche l’esito sull’esposto presentato dalla Juve da oltre un anno. Con gaudio dei media che dopo un lungo silenzio hanno ripreso fiato. Perché a decidere, sarà sempre lo stesso Palazzi: anche in questo caso, infatti, Abete si è “pilatescamente” tirato fuori.

    Possiamo quindi affermare che la FIGC ha un presidente che non decide, ma è abilissimo a demandare ad altri scelte che richiedono un minimo di attributi.

    MA NOI DI ORGANIZZIAMOCI NON CI STIAMO E RISPONDIAMO:

    anche per noi tutto è fermo al 2006. Esattamente al 14 di maggio, quando la Juventus ha conquistato sul campo il suo VENTINOVESIMO scudetto. Tutto quanto è avvenuto dopo, non lo riconosciamo. Perché i risultati degli ultimi anni sono falsi e frutto di una mistificazione organizzata tavolino. Chiunque abbia beneficiato di questa situazione è solo oggetto del nostro disprezzo e mai sarà accettato come avversario.

    Noi saremo al fianco del nostro Direttore e della Juve, indipendentemente da quello che deciderà la società. Accompagneremo Moggi con la nostra azione in tutte le sedi, a partire da quella dell’appello sulla radiazione. Se sarà necessario, promuoveremo iniziative anche forti come pubbliche manifestazioni o boicottaggi di massa in grado di provocare, quelli si, “allarme sociale”.

    La revoca dello scudetto di cartone non c’interessa, perché noi rivogliamo nella nostra bacheca e nelle nostre casse quanto ci è stato tolto con un’ignobile azione, tesa a colpire solo ed esclusivamente la Juve.

    Oggi più di ieri siamo determinati a perseguire l’obiettivo con la nostra azione, che ha anche l’obiettivo di cacciare personaggi come Palazzi e Abete, responsabili del fallimento del calcio italiano in ambito nazionale e internazionale.

    Se qualcuno, media compresi, pensa di zittirci con il messaggio delle radiazioni, sappia che ha ottenuto l’effetto opposto. Perché ha rigirato il coltello in una ferita mai rimarginata.

    Noi non siamo indignati né sorpresi per quanto capitato, ma semplicemente disgustati perché la farsa continua.

    I personaggi che decidono sono sempre gli stessi. E, conseguentemente, le loro scelte fanno diventare la nostra battaglia per la riconquista della dignità, ancora più aspra.

    Noi non molliamo!

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    This is exactly what I was saying and if our fellow Juventini actually physically turn up to the appeal hearings en masse imagine the media coverage it will get!

    A huge vocal support for Moggi & Juventus with banners against the FIGC and lots of heckling of Abete & Palazzi would be great!

    Rise up our Black & White brothers & sisters and let the world see your passion for justice...
     
    Apr 29, 2006
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    I think the powers in play here underestimated fans and inter-media competition. Most of it - they've underestimated the power of internet. It has been typical, especially for the likes of buddies Elkann is hanging with, to make a single, but critical error - they don't value the distribution of information. They are fighting against it, but can not stop it. Sure you can change the Italian PM if you wanted to and put the case to rest... But would you really? With so many entities involved it is bound to come back... and even in a country with laws as shitty as Italy - i hope they won't be able to stop it. That, by itself, speaks volumes about the power of truth.
    I hope they get busted, because operas like these are the things that stop progress in society. Whenever a shortcut or a 'smart play' is being applied to a situation - the result is a disaster. Seria A is just another proof.
     
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    gsol

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    I admire the optimism. I just don’t think you guys fully appreciate just how small these elitist kings of industry like Elkanns and Montezemolo think we are. Our opinions matter less to them then the pair of socks they wear by a lot. They know that ticket sales and sponsorship money keeps pouring in and eventually people will forget. You don’t think they are aware that we know what happened? They just don’t care.

    Manifestations and petitions? They’ve been ignoring those for years. When they were in the process of relegating the team and appealing through the various sports justice bodies fans clogged the streets of Turin. No one gave a shit.

    These people don’t get it. Peaceful protests and public manifestations don’t mean shit to the rich. They need to pick one if them and surround him on his way to his car. When he is found hours later with a few hundred stab wounds and a slit throat maybe the next guy will take it a little more seriously. Until someone is willing to make that kind of statement no one will fear the fans.
     

    Alen

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    Apr 2, 2007
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    Luciano Moggi: "Milan and Inter knew (about) the referees. All the teams found out by telephone about the designated referees (linesmen), it wasn't considered a crime. However, more attention should be paid and we should understand the meaning of an sms that Meani received in which it was written: 'referee Trefo here (Trefoloni), do not give up, we are all with you'.
    With you who? With you from Milan against Juve?
    That same day I found out about the designations half an hour after Meani and I didn't receive any sms like the one quoted above......."
     
    Apr 29, 2006
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    I admire the optimism. I just don’t think you guys fully appreciate just how small these elitist kings of industry like Elkanns and Montezemolo think we are. Our opinions matter less to them then the pair of socks they wear by a lot. They know that ticket sales and sponsorship money keeps pouring in and eventually people will forget. You don’t think they are aware that we know what happened? They just don’t care.

    Manifestations and petitions? They’ve been ignoring those for years. When they were in the process of relegating the team and appealing through the various sports justice bodies fans clogged the streets of Turin. No one gave a shit.

    These people don’t get it. Peaceful protests and public manifestations don’t mean shit to the rich. They need to pick one if them and surround him on his way to his car. When he is found hours later with a few hundred stab wounds and a slit throat maybe the next guy will take it a little more seriously. Until someone is willing to make that kind of statement no one will fear the fans.
    Though you are one of my favorite sources of information on this site, gsol i think you are a bit pessimistic. (which is fun to say, considering most here call you an optimist... right?)
    1. Montezemolo is mr. nobody. He is not from the family and he is as noble as honest. He might hang around Ferrari, FIAT, Exor - but babe - he is not part of the family. Just a mercenary liked by the old man.
    2. Statements aren't that hard to make. Consider that if Eklann is found dead, there will be a lot of people interested and frankly Juventus supporters are last on the list. If anything there will be time when he counts on them to save his ass - politically, physically and even financially. Cause they pay the taxes he wants to take from the gov. as subsidies for italian manufacturers.
    3.Elkann is running shit, cause people think he is running it. Less so than Berlusconi, but he is dependent on those people for so many things - it is plain wrong to think else. There might be a fire in his house, factory... And they are ensured in his insurance company. Then there are the thousand other problems that have already happened to the family in the past.

    All in all - balance is the key. There is not a single master or masters to this world. But balance can be disturbed when one side is just not giving a fuck about the situation and does not respond to the provocation of the other side. It might take a completely different event, but balance will eventually be restored. The real question is where is the boiling point? How much can he crank the heat up before things get out of control...
    Apart from that you are 99.9% right - and you've got my respect man.
    Cheers.
     

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