Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (34 Viewers)
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It is starting to look like the FIGC are going to ignore Juve's request to have the 2006 Scudetto revoked from Inter. The final response was promised by the 30th June and once again the politics will allow them to hide behind the technicalities of the laws stating there is nothing new to make them change the ruling!
Does anyone in Italy actually use an ounce of common sense to make decisions or do they all want to hide behind red tape to pass off all responsibility of their actions & decisions?!!
As far as I am concerned they are hoping it will all just go away if they keep ignoring it... but the problem is 14 million Juventini in Italy alone won't allow it to! Not to mention another 100+ million across the world!!!
I hope all the corrupt Motherfuckers, starting with Moratti, get what's coming to them..... if only I had a gun.....
Does anyone in Italy actually use an ounce of common sense to make decisions or do they all want to hide behind red tape to pass off all responsibility of their actions & decisions?!!
As far as I am concerned they are hoping it will all just go away if they keep ignoring it... but the problem is 14 million Juventini in Italy alone won't allow it to! Not to mention another 100+ million across the world!!!
I hope all the corrupt Motherfuckers, starting with Moratti, get what's coming to them..... if only I had a gun.....
Gsol,
1- I read something about problems inside the family between Andrea and John, and Andrea is trying to get full control of the club by buying the majority of shares that Exor holds and especially when Exor complete the purchasing of Chrysler (now Exor owns 25%) , also that Andrea's mom (I think I read that her name is Margaretta) was talking abt this. How true is this
2- I have been reading alot of shit recently, and some claims that tomorrow's session is very important and and Moggi is going to show more evidences, (I don't know how many times I read that Moggi has evidences that will change everything and will prevail alot of truth)
how close is this to reality
3- Also some claims that Moggi said that Di Monte Zemola was able to stop the conspiracy over Juve, but he and Elkan accepted the relegation to get rid of Moggi.
I read all the inside Job and the sponsorship deals Ferrari got in 2006 or so. but was they really able to stop the relegation in 2006?
4- what is the hate between Moggi and Elkan & Zemola,
5- some says it is Giraudo who has more powers than Moggi through the parliament.
Some claims also that
- the life-time ban for Moggi and Giraudo was also agreed by Elkan so Juve get titles back.
- since FIGC handed Moggi the life-time ban, it will not go easy with Inter.
- Platini is paying alot of attention to Calcio and wants FIGC to clean this mess, i.e all to be happy and no one goes to court.
- Inter mess now is the first step of many other problems they will face regarding Calciopoli.
- the betting scandal was brought up this year intentionally so the FIGC has to give its verdict about calciopoli, as they can't postpone the verdict on calciopoli which juve asked for last year and say their verdict on the betting scandal which appeared this year.
(they have to say the verdict of old cases before the new one)
1- I read something about problems inside the family between Andrea and John, and Andrea is trying to get full control of the club by buying the majority of shares that Exor holds and especially when Exor complete the purchasing of Chrysler (now Exor owns 25%) , also that Andrea's mom (I think I read that her name is Margaretta) was talking abt this. How true is this
2- I have been reading alot of shit recently, and some claims that tomorrow's session is very important and and Moggi is going to show more evidences, (I don't know how many times I read that Moggi has evidences that will change everything and will prevail alot of truth)
how close is this to reality
3- Also some claims that Moggi said that Di Monte Zemola was able to stop the conspiracy over Juve, but he and Elkan accepted the relegation to get rid of Moggi.
I read all the inside Job and the sponsorship deals Ferrari got in 2006 or so. but was they really able to stop the relegation in 2006?
4- what is the hate between Moggi and Elkan & Zemola,
5- some says it is Giraudo who has more powers than Moggi through the parliament.
Some claims also that
- the life-time ban for Moggi and Giraudo was also agreed by Elkan so Juve get titles back.
- since FIGC handed Moggi the life-time ban, it will not go easy with Inter.
- Platini is paying alot of attention to Calcio and wants FIGC to clean this mess, i.e all to be happy and no one goes to court.
- Inter mess now is the first step of many other problems they will face regarding Calciopoli.
- the betting scandal was brought up this year intentionally so the FIGC has to give its verdict about calciopoli, as they can't postpone the verdict on calciopoli which juve asked for last year and say their verdict on the betting scandal which appeared this year.
(they have to say the verdict of old cases before the new one)
1. There have always been struggles and rivalries amongst the Agnelli offspring. The details and percentages aren’t my business but there is a definite rift between Andrea and the Elkanns. To my knowledge Andrea is not looking to take over anything automotive.
2- I haven’t read any leaks regarding upcoming court sessions. We’ll just have to see what happens.
3- Montezemolo and the Elkanns stopped Juventus’ civil court appeal which would have frozen competition until a solution would have been reached. Their support would have forced legitimate courts (that have been since acquitting Moggi) into the mix prior to Juventus playing a single game in Serie B. Had they done that (and had the same success Moggi has had) we would not have been relegated. According to their actions (Elkann and Montezemolo) and the words of Sports Minister Melandri and Blatter, Montezemolo was directly responsible for mediating Juve’s submissive acceptance of relegation. Months later Gazzetta and Telecom were our and Ferrari’s sponsors.
4- Power and money. Giraudo and Moggi were in their way when they wanted to control the Juve cash cow in order to finance their automotive disasters.
5- Doubt either have any political presence
The rest just sounds like people talking shit.
2- I haven’t read any leaks regarding upcoming court sessions. We’ll just have to see what happens.
3- Montezemolo and the Elkanns stopped Juventus’ civil court appeal which would have frozen competition until a solution would have been reached. Their support would have forced legitimate courts (that have been since acquitting Moggi) into the mix prior to Juventus playing a single game in Serie B. Had they done that (and had the same success Moggi has had) we would not have been relegated. According to their actions (Elkann and Montezemolo) and the words of Sports Minister Melandri and Blatter, Montezemolo was directly responsible for mediating Juve’s submissive acceptance of relegation. Months later Gazzetta and Telecom were our and Ferrari’s sponsors.
4- Power and money. Giraudo and Moggi were in their way when they wanted to control the Juve cash cow in order to finance their automotive disasters.
5- Doubt either have any political presence
The rest just sounds like people talking shit.
Montezemolo had a fiduciary duty to both Ferrari and Juventus. He absolutely breached his duty to Juventus. By entering into an agreement to accept Juve's demotion without a civil appeal in exchange for sponsorship money to Ferrari he committed an unlawful conflict of interest. You cannot damage one client in order to benefit another client. It is shocking that he was allowed to engage in this sort of conduct without any civil or criminal repurcussions.
the verdict postponed till September
Juventus Lawyer Vitiello is there, he said
Vitiello: "Auricchio lo avete sentito: avete voi stesso ritenuto anonime le citazioni di giornali. Vanno dichiarate inutilizzabili per cose riferite da articoli di giornale di dubbia fonte le cose dette dal colonnello qui e che fanno continuo riferimento agli articoli di giornale, senza contezza diretta dei fatti, sono NULLE. Nulli gli atti di questioni acquisite senza rogatoria e non parliamo soltanto delle schede svizzere".
I think it means that Auricchio based the accusations on newspapers (GDS) without reading or hearing facts.
live coverage
http://www.tuttosport.com/calcio/se.../Calciopoli:+la+sentenza+slitterà+a+settembre
Juventus Lawyer Vitiello is there, he said
Vitiello: "Auricchio lo avete sentito: avete voi stesso ritenuto anonime le citazioni di giornali. Vanno dichiarate inutilizzabili per cose riferite da articoli di giornale di dubbia fonte le cose dette dal colonnello qui e che fanno continuo riferimento agli articoli di giornale, senza contezza diretta dei fatti, sono NULLE. Nulli gli atti di questioni acquisite senza rogatoria e non parliamo soltanto delle schede svizzere".
I think it means that Auricchio based the accusations on newspapers (GDS) without reading or hearing facts.
live coverage
http://www.tuttosport.com/calcio/se.../Calciopoli:+la+sentenza+slitterà+a+settembre
google translated the first couple paragraphs about auricchio.
"CANCELLED AURICCHIO - Vitiello: "Auricchio have heard: have you considered the same anonymous quotes from newspapers. Are to be declared unsuitable for things reported by newspaper articles of questionable source of the things said by the Colonel here and making constant reference to newspaper articles, no direct cognizance of the facts, are VOID. Nulli acts of issues gathered without legal assistance, and we do not speak only of the Swiss cards. "
"Referees who want a career, people who buy and sell players: where is the proof that the Juventus interested in all this? It was the largest team, was the most solid ever came out of a figure to buy anything, let alone the media. There is evidence of wrongdoing against Juventus, if we were the ones the prosecution. sectored We have chosen to avoid the court to work badly, not because we have no arguments. Moggi And even if he committed any, repeat possible, where are the acts that this was for the benefit of the most titled team in Italy. resentful Del Piero Juve speaks of sums invested, including Iaquinta also bought the following years. The evidence of Dr. Beccaceci makes statistical analysis how to alter the championship and I remind you that has never been challenged alterzione of the league, can not tamper with the conditions of teams, with thirteen teams for the salvation of Fiorentina. They had to be called in because the other teams. And then famous Fiorentina Brescia 3-0, had it been just a draw by Brescia, the team would save Corioni. If that game was so important there would be few episodes observed by the consultant Cornieto? Nothing: Brescia asking for damages to us, and I suspect any episodes for the game that determines their relegation. They have conspired against Swallows, 1928 second place, 1974 Anglo-Italian involvement ... Even Adam and Eve would have to pay damages if these are the premises. And 'concrete evidence, procedural and technical observation by Mr. Cornieto, the videotape of them ignore the rigors denied to a certain Ibrahimovic, Ibrahimovic, Ibrahimovic, I think you play again ... And this Mr. Cornieto he forgets that penalty, just remember the episode because only the Journal and Tuttosport, perhaps the prestige of the newspapers is equivalent. The lack of telephone quotations, even if it's pink, she has fallen, or not? "."
"CANCELLED AURICCHIO - Vitiello: "Auricchio have heard: have you considered the same anonymous quotes from newspapers. Are to be declared unsuitable for things reported by newspaper articles of questionable source of the things said by the Colonel here and making constant reference to newspaper articles, no direct cognizance of the facts, are VOID. Nulli acts of issues gathered without legal assistance, and we do not speak only of the Swiss cards. "
"Referees who want a career, people who buy and sell players: where is the proof that the Juventus interested in all this? It was the largest team, was the most solid ever came out of a figure to buy anything, let alone the media. There is evidence of wrongdoing against Juventus, if we were the ones the prosecution. sectored We have chosen to avoid the court to work badly, not because we have no arguments. Moggi And even if he committed any, repeat possible, where are the acts that this was for the benefit of the most titled team in Italy. resentful Del Piero Juve speaks of sums invested, including Iaquinta also bought the following years. The evidence of Dr. Beccaceci makes statistical analysis how to alter the championship and I remind you that has never been challenged alterzione of the league, can not tamper with the conditions of teams, with thirteen teams for the salvation of Fiorentina. They had to be called in because the other teams. And then famous Fiorentina Brescia 3-0, had it been just a draw by Brescia, the team would save Corioni. If that game was so important there would be few episodes observed by the consultant Cornieto? Nothing: Brescia asking for damages to us, and I suspect any episodes for the game that determines their relegation. They have conspired against Swallows, 1928 second place, 1974 Anglo-Italian involvement ... Even Adam and Eve would have to pay damages if these are the premises. And 'concrete evidence, procedural and technical observation by Mr. Cornieto, the videotape of them ignore the rigors denied to a certain Ibrahimovic, Ibrahimovic, Ibrahimovic, I think you play again ... And this Mr. Cornieto he forgets that penalty, just remember the episode because only the Journal and Tuttosport, perhaps the prestige of the newspapers is equivalent. The lack of telephone quotations, even if it's pink, she has fallen, or not? "."
It sounds like the delay is because clubs (Bresica, i.e.) are asking for Juve to pay them damages, now the judge has to get through this new cobweb of disaster.
"I guess the defense is also asking why only a couple referee's were ever questioned about Juve trying to influence them. Why aren't more referee's being questioned then?"
I guess the "bad guys" are afraid that 50 referee's will all say the same thing. Juve did nothing different than any other club.
"I guess the defense is also asking why only a couple referee's were ever questioned about Juve trying to influence them. Why aren't more referee's being questioned then?"
I guess the "bad guys" are afraid that 50 referee's will all say the same thing. Juve did nothing different than any other club.
I am not talking about the merits of his decision, just that it is a conflict. You cannot damage the financial interests of one client for the benefit of another. that is basic. As soon as he was faced with a decision, he needed to recuse himself an allow a Juventus board member who has no affiliation to Ferrari decide.
Didn't read everything but seems like Juve(not Moggi0 showed some balls today at the Napoli trial defending itself and indirectly Moggi by stating all accusations against Moggi were proved wrong by the proof or lack of it.
and rumour going around is that they won't replace judge Casoria.
and rumour going around is that they won't replace judge Casoria.
Cool, thanks man. Wish you would post here more about this thing as you know more about the legalities than most.
