Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (21 Viewers)

[Ahmed]

that would still give us grounds to sue them for monetary damages, right?

 

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[gsol]

Yeah, no matter what Juve could do that even if it's only on the grounds that Moggi has done so well in civil court. If Auricchio is eventually charged then the door will especially be open for a damages suit but our wanker managers won't do shit. They're too afraid to rock the boat. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[BillyG]

the inter view...

Disinformation


I haven’t written, nor have I felt like writing anything about football ever since Luciano “OJ Simpson” Moggi’s defense attorneys started presenting “evidence” to create the reasonable doubt necessary to clear their client. Let me stop here and clear all pretense; I don’t like Calciopoli-talk, I don’t support partiality on any level of the game, but most of all I cringe at the thought of my team being involved in any of “it”.

Disinformation: false information deliberately and often covertly spread (as by the planting of rumors) in order to influence public opinion or obscure the truth.

Moggi apparently also hired both Carlo Garganese and Salvatore Landolina as part of his defense team. In a segment called “Calciopoli Watch” on Goal.com, these attorneys present most of the information as sourced from the Holy Grail that is “Tuttosport” (Juventus’ newspaper syndicate etc). In a broadsided attempt to further propagate the notion that 'OJ’ in fact did nothing at all, these two highly irresponsible 'editors’ have managed to purposefully exclude from their reporting certain facts that have emerged during the trial (purposeful half truths are still whole lies);

• Moggi’s defense team presented an erroneous transcript of a conversation between then Inter president Facchetti, and mob correspondent referee designator Bergamo, in which they alleged that Facchetti had in fact asked for a specific referee. Had this been factual, it would have represented a major major twist and “curtains for Inter” in the Calciopoli trial. In Italy this evidence was given the moniker “la madre di tutte le intercettazioni”; THE MOTHER OF ALL INTERCEPTIONS. Both of the said Goal.com editors Moggi lawyers presented the run up to, and then somehow managed to skip the result. The tape of the conversation was played in court and on all of the newspapers the following day in Italy there was one unison hymn:

"the audio doesn't match"

The Tuttosport website then managed to remove the audio from the archives.

The point I’m trying to make is very simple; if you are not part of OJ’s defense why present one-sided information? That to me is not only irresponsible, but criminally misleading. Because I don’t speak Italian doesn’t mean that I shouldn’t be privy to the truth; the whole truth.

My final thoughts on Moggi:

• They talk about why these 75 calls involving “other clubs” were dropped from the investigation, while negating the fact that there were 170,000 calls in total, the lion share of which belonged to Luciano (is that fair communication? Grande Juve?).

• We’ve all seen the mob movies, we’ve all read the mob books, we all know what a made mobster is. The Untouchables is a good reference as to how guys can 'get off’ even in light of substantial evidence. Credit to Moggi’s lawyers for presenting the reasonable doubt necessary to cast grey areas into the law books; that’s the job. But let’s not be naïve; if he gets off then we’ve all been Punk’d.

Juventinos thinking this is my tirade here are some handy links (get your google translator ready):

Audio, you can listen for yourself at the 0:39 even though it’s in Italian.


"a three year old can tell there’s a difference in the voices"


more general reading (italian).

Taken from the football Rehab website that my only inter friend is always a breath away from quoting.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

''Moggi apparently also hired both Carlo Garganese and Salvatore Landolina''

 

[JuveJay]

Juventinos..........get your google translator ready

FAIL

I guess this guy doesn't like hearing the Juventus side of the story, he'd rather hear the Gazzetta dell'Inter give their 'balanced' view on the situation.

 

[Albertmare]

''Moggi apparently also hired both Carlo Garganese and Salvatore Landolina''

Goal(dot)com

 

[Red]

''Moggi apparently also hired both Carlo Garganese and Salvatore Landolina''

Goal certainly seem to be taking a rather pro-Juve angle on the current goings on.

 

[Juventino★★★]

Goal(dot)com

its just funny how they blame others when the truth comes on their face
and their president is great example of all... blaming Milan for balotelli behavior

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Goal certainly seem to be taking a rather pro-Juve angle on the current goings on.

They are publishing facts rather than opinions though.

Facts are Pro-Juve.

 

[Hængebøffer]

They are publishing facts rather than opinions though.

Facts are Pro-Juve.

 

[Red]

They are publishing facts rather than opinions though.

Facts are Pro-Juve.

And are they presenting all the facts? Even 'facts' can be manipulated one way or the other depending on a person's agenda.

Seems to me that most people, including Goal, are overstating the strength of Moggi's case in this trial.

 

[sebastian_gio]

And are they presenting all the facts? Even 'facts' can be manipulated one way or the other depending on a person's agenda.

Seems to me that most people, including Goal, are overstating the strength of Moggi's case in this trial.

Can you elaborate on that? With something concrete?

 

[gsol]

I guess 4 years ago it was alright that goal.com took nearly ever shred of "info" from the gazzetta.

The only untouchable here so far has been Inter so he should watch his analogies.

He is referring to the "request for Collina" and maybe buddy needs to learn Italian because that wire is horrible for Inter regardless of that line. I heard it and questioned it but Bergamo came out officially telling reporters that the voice we hear was definitely Facchetti's because he requested Collina by name...later he even requested that Bertini be removed from the grid in the same call.

It just amazes me that after the attack Juve received from the pro Milanese-Roman press in Italy 4 years ago that this guy is complaining about goal.com when I have seen them translate transcripts from ANSA, La Stampa, La Repubblica, Corriere and even La Gazzetta recently. People just highlight "Tuttosport" because of its lack of credibility. Fuck you douche go read all the papers. They are all saying the same thing because Inter got caught. Funny thing is that Gazzetta and Corriere (Inter owned) are trying their best to focus on non Inter names (Gazzetta mentioned Roma's Prade before anyone else).

 

[Red]

Can you elaborate on that? With something concrete?

No, it's just the way I see it.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Seems to me that most people, including Goal, are overstating the strength of Moggi's case in this trial.

I'm gonna have to agree with that, sadly.

 

[sebastian_gio]

I'm gonna have to agree with that, sadly.

Can you elaborate on that? With something concrete?

 

[BillyG]

I'm gonna have to agree with that, sadly.

@ ur 'tar Futter, just awesome!

+rep

 

[gsol]

I don't think goal or anyone is overstating the strength of Moggi's defense, I just think that the FIGC will eventually undermine it regardless.

 

[Hængebøffer]

No, it's just the way I see it.

It's easy to say.
Then I don't believe anything I read which have another opinion, because it's not way I think.

 

[Red]

I guess 4 years ago it was alright that goal.com took nearly ever shred of "info" from the gazzetta.

I am never inclined to trust goal.com.

Their journalistic standards have been too low for too long for that.

The only untouchable here so far has been Inter so he should watch his analogies.

He is referring to the "request for Collina" and maybe buddy needs to learn Italian because that wire is horrible for Inter regardless of that line. I heard it and questioned it but Bergamo came out officially telling reporters that the voice we hear was definitely Facchetti's because he requested Collina by name...later he even requested that Bertini be removed from the grid in the same call.

It just amazes me that after the attack Juve received from the pro Milanese-Roman press in Italy 4 years ago that this guy is complaining about goal.com when I have seen them translate transcripts from ANSA, La Stampa, La Repubblica, Corriere and even La Gazzetta recently. People just highlight "Tuttosport" because of its lack of credibility. Fuck you douche go read all the papers. They are all saying the same thing because Inter got caught. Funny thing is that gazzetta and Corriere (Inter owned) are trying their best to focus on non Inter names (Gazzetta mentioned Roma's Prade before anyone else).

I'm not saying Moggi hasn't raised interesting evidence or that the evidence that saw Juve done wasn't pretty flimsy.

However, I believe that Moggi needs something absolutely huge and totally irrefutable to cause the court to find in his favour and give lead to all that would come from that.

The evidence which has appeared looks to me like it might, might, be enough to see other clubs recieve some punishment, but it does not seem to show that Moggi is/was completely innocent and that Juve deserve deserve the scudetti and compensation.