what is this on tuttojuve.com,something about Facchetti saying the name "Collina",?
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So in this case all financial compensation will go to John Elkann? And by the way I'm pretty sure there aren't time limitations. If so it would have to be pretty unique. Ever heard of a 'cold case'? Rape and molestation accusations are brought forward to courts up to 30 years after the actual event in question.
I don't know if you ever studied law or something. Organization and Companies are like human Beings, can be sued, can sue, can ask for compensation so and so
There is something called "lifting the veil" when a person within a company does something illegal like taking a loan from bank in company's name and disappear then court will go after him rather than going after the company. Why in 2006 they didn't lift the veil and go after the Moggi only !???
There is something called "lifting the veil" when a person within a company does something illegal like taking a loan from bank in company's name and disappear then court will go after him rather than going after the company. Why in 2006 they didn't lift the veil and go after the Moggi only
!???
I don't know if you ever studied law or something. Organization and Companies are like human Beings, can be sued, can sue, can ask for compensation so and so
There is something called "lifting the veil" when a person within a company does something illegal like taking a loan from bank in company's name and disappear then court will go after him rather than going after the company. Why in 2006 they didn't lift the veil and go after the Moggi only !???
There is something called "lifting the veil" when a person within a company does something illegal like taking a loan from bank in company's name and disappear then court will go after him rather than going after the company. Why in 2006 they didn't lift the veil and go after the Moggi only
!???
I don't know if you ever studied law or something. Organization and Companies are like human Beings, can be sued, can sue, can ask for compensation so and so
There is something called "lifting the veil" when a person within a company does something illegal like taking a loan from bank in company's name and disappear then court will go after him rather than going after the company. Why in 2006 they didn't lift the veil and go after the Moggi only !???
There is something called "lifting the veil" when a person within a company does something illegal like taking a loan from bank in company's name and disappear then court will go after him rather than going after the company. Why in 2006 they didn't lift the veil and go after the Moggi only
!???
i actually already heard of a similar case, BUT first off we were not in jail or something but "only" relegated and in the case of the person that did get a compensation for being in jail unrightfully it was a sum that was not even that high of what he would have gotten if he worked in a very low paid job all the time he was in jail ... not even speaking of the time lost for the poor guy. i think it was something like way under 15'000 $ per year he was in jail iirc.
if you spin the wheel further it would not even be 10 million in total, because they will argue that we indeed had income by sold tickets and sponsors and that we had less spendings because of less stars in the team ...
this is something i really never heard of ... might be i am just not into it enough
and i don't know who will justify spending taxpayers money for something like this a quick google search did not reveal such thing neither
if you spin the wheel further it would not even be 10 million in total, because they will argue that we indeed had income by sold tickets and sponsors and that we had less spendings because of less stars in the team ...
this is something i really never heard of ... might be i am just not into it enough
and i don't know who will justify spending taxpayers money for something like this a quick google search did not reveal such thing neither
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Roma and Palermo among others are the latest clubs to have been involved in calling referee designators after more evidence from Tuesday's Calciopoli trial in Naples was published by the Italian media.
Of the 75 calls that Luciano Moggi's defence team presented to the court, a number included the newcomers, meaning that 11 of the 20 clubs who participated in the Serie A championship at the time were involved to some extent in calling the ex-designators Paolo Bergamo and Pierluigi Pairetto. Those 11 teams are Bologna, Cagliari, Fiorentina, Inter, Juventus, Lazio, Milan, Palermo, Reggina, Roma and Udinese.
Juve, Lazio, Milan, Fiorentina and Reggina were already punished during the 2006 sporting trial.
Tuttosport claims 43 phone calls of the 75 presented involved Inter, and some of those were played out at the hearing yesterday. Nine calls involved Milan, but the latest evidence involves Roma and Palermo to as well as Udinese, Cagliari and Bologna.
In one call dated April 14 2005, the then Rosanero director Rino Foschi speaks with former referee Massimo De Santis, one of the alleged plotters.
Foschi: Am I disturbing you?
De Santis: No, no, I have just finished training.
Foschi: The other day I spoke with V... It was a personal thing, but not one that I want alone, do you understand? When are we going to see each other?
De Santis: What, and you tell me now... you think.
Foschi: It's all easy for me... for me it's difficult, difficult.
De Santis: Look, we will organise something.
The other calls involve Cagliari, Bologna, Reggina and Roma. Reggina were already penalised by the 2006 sporting trial.
Roma's call involved Daniele Prade and Innocenzo Mazzini, the former FIGC vice president. Both Tuttosport and La Gazzetta dello Sport claim the call was before the Lupi's trip to Atalanta in which Antonio Cassano scored the winner.
Prade tells Mazzini: "We are counting on you." a day before the game.
In relation to the phone calls involving Palermo, Maurizio Zamparini insists his club did nothing wrong in calling the ref chiefs and he was quick to defend his position.
"I don't have to calm anyone because I am not worried at all. I called three times to complain about referees, but it's one thing complaining, and another trying to gang up on others. The fans shouldn't worry," Zamparini is quoted as saying on Goal.com Italia.
Earlier, Moggi's legal team were accused of falsifying evidence in court by Gianfelice Facchetti, the late Giacinto Facchetti's son. He argued his father, who at the time was presdient of Inter did not ask for specific referees.
But, Bergamo who spoke to Facchetti at the time, offered a contrasting view. He maintains that Facchetti did in fact ask for Collina in one of the calls.
"It was Facchetti who nominated Collina, not me," Bergamo told Rai.
Tuesday's court session revealed a call in which Facchetti had invited Bergamo to go to Moratti's offices because there was a gift waiting for him.
"I cannot remember going to Inter's offices to pick up a present. But, at the time it was Christmas and we received presents from everyone. In looking at this there needs to be some good sense," he added.
"It was my last year as a designator and so I had dinner with old friends including Moggi and [Antonio] Giraudo.
"Moratti never came, but he did invite me to go to Forte dei Marmi."
The trial in Naples resumes next Tuesday.
Roma and Palermo among others are the latest clubs to have been involved in calling referee designators after more evidence from Tuesday's Calciopoli trial in Naples was published by the Italian media.
Of the 75 calls that Luciano Moggi's defence team presented to the court, a number included the newcomers, meaning that 11 of the 20 clubs who participated in the Serie A championship at the time were involved to some extent in calling the ex-designators Paolo Bergamo and Pierluigi Pairetto. Those 11 teams are Bologna, Cagliari, Fiorentina, Inter, Juventus, Lazio, Milan, Palermo, Reggina, Roma and Udinese.
Juve, Lazio, Milan, Fiorentina and Reggina were already punished during the 2006 sporting trial.
Tuttosport claims 43 phone calls of the 75 presented involved Inter, and some of those were played out at the hearing yesterday. Nine calls involved Milan, but the latest evidence involves Roma and Palermo to as well as Udinese, Cagliari and Bologna.
In one call dated April 14 2005, the then Rosanero director Rino Foschi speaks with former referee Massimo De Santis, one of the alleged plotters.
Foschi: Am I disturbing you?
De Santis: No, no, I have just finished training.
Foschi: The other day I spoke with V... It was a personal thing, but not one that I want alone, do you understand? When are we going to see each other?
De Santis: What, and you tell me now... you think.
Foschi: It's all easy for me... for me it's difficult, difficult.
De Santis: Look, we will organise something.
The other calls involve Cagliari, Bologna, Reggina and Roma. Reggina were already penalised by the 2006 sporting trial.
Roma's call involved Daniele Prade and Innocenzo Mazzini, the former FIGC vice president. Both Tuttosport and La Gazzetta dello Sport claim the call was before the Lupi's trip to Atalanta in which Antonio Cassano scored the winner.
Prade tells Mazzini: "We are counting on you." a day before the game.
In relation to the phone calls involving Palermo, Maurizio Zamparini insists his club did nothing wrong in calling the ref chiefs and he was quick to defend his position.
"I don't have to calm anyone because I am not worried at all. I called three times to complain about referees, but it's one thing complaining, and another trying to gang up on others. The fans shouldn't worry," Zamparini is quoted as saying on Goal.com Italia.
Earlier, Moggi's legal team were accused of falsifying evidence in court by Gianfelice Facchetti, the late Giacinto Facchetti's son. He argued his father, who at the time was presdient of Inter did not ask for specific referees.
But, Bergamo who spoke to Facchetti at the time, offered a contrasting view. He maintains that Facchetti did in fact ask for Collina in one of the calls.
"It was Facchetti who nominated Collina, not me," Bergamo told Rai.
Tuesday's court session revealed a call in which Facchetti had invited Bergamo to go to Moratti's offices because there was a gift waiting for him.
"I cannot remember going to Inter's offices to pick up a present. But, at the time it was Christmas and we received presents from everyone. In looking at this there needs to be some good sense," he added.
"It was my last year as a designator and so I had dinner with old friends including Moggi and [Antonio] Giraudo.
"Moratti never came, but he did invite me to go to Forte dei Marmi."
The trial in Naples resumes next Tuesday.
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Former Juventus director Luciano Moggi has sensationally claimed he supported Inter, but had a change of heart when Massimo Moratti came to power in 1995.
"As a child I used to support Inter, but since Moratti came in I support every team apart from Inter," he told TG2, as reported by ANSA press agency.
Moggi then spoke in relation to Tuesday's highly charged hearing at the Calcipoli trial in Naples, and insists his innocence.
"This is a process based on chit-chat and they obscured what they needed to. But, there was no system, it was merely a way to behave. The first to behave like this was the federation and lega. No-one was meant to call designators, but everyone did," he added.
"With Fachetti it was different. Not only did he speak with [Paolo] Bergamo (the former designator), but he asked him about the referee grid, and wanted Collina."
Moggi's claim has been vehemently denied by Gianfelice Facchetti, son of Giacinto, who was the then Inter president accused of asking for certain referees for a number of matches.
Here is an extract of another call published by Il Corriere dello Sport which sees Facchetti telling Bergamo that Moratti has a gift for him. Bergamo also suggests a way of improving their league position following a poor run.
Facchetti: If you call Moratti... I was there yesterday with him... we spoke.
Bergamo: I no longer have his number, if you give it to me... infact remember, we spoke about this.
Facchetti: Yes, because he wanted to, if you come down someday.
Bergamo: Where to? Forte? (a resort where Moratti is known to visit)
Facchetti: In the office, no no in Milan. If you come down he has a gift to give you.
Bergamo: I just wanted to meet you guys so we could reflect on certain things.
Facchetti: Yes, Ok.
Bergamo: It's a situation that I would like to help you with because the team doesn't deserve its position.
Facchetti: They have been 12 incredible draws.
However, Facchetti's family have been quick to issue a statement denying that certain calls involved the late former president. Their denial is in relation to a call in which Facchetti is alledged to have named a referee.
During Tuesday's trial the court heard an extract of this call which was presented by Moggi's defence team.
Facchetti: Send us Collina, send us Collina.
However, on a version published by Sky Sport Italia, Facchetti doesn't mention Collina's name.
Facchetti: Send us a some...
Bergamo: We'll send Collina.
It's this difference that has led to the Facchetti family to defend their father's position at the time, and they have accused Moggi's defence of falsifying evidence.
The Facchetti statement, published in La Gazzetta dello Sport reads:
"A phone call between my father Giancinto and Bergamo was used and published in a subversive way.
"In one call my father is made out to be speaking about Collina, but in fact it was Bergamo who mentioned him.
"Thus a totally different interpretation of the original call has come out, used by Moggi in court with the compliance of certain organs of information.
"This falsification of facts is shameful and unacceptable."
But, the biggest bombshell was dropped by one of Moggi's lawyers Paco D'Onofrio who said Inter's Scudetto could be revoked in light of all the new evidence which has been thrown up in the court room.
"Within a month we will make a request to the FIGC to have Inter's Scudetto, the one handed to them by Guido Rossi [in 2006], revoked,"
"The evidence over the last few days will, in effect, become proof should the court grant authorisation.
"Those calls which involve Inter and Milan and the referee system show that the previous beliefs that came out during the sporting trial of 2006 were destitute and without foundation."
Teresa Casoria, the judge presiding over the Naples trial has accepted Moggi's evidence following Tuesday's hearing. The court will regather for the next session on April 20.
The case continues.
Former Juventus director Luciano Moggi has sensationally claimed he supported Inter, but had a change of heart when Massimo Moratti came to power in 1995.
"As a child I used to support Inter, but since Moratti came in I support every team apart from Inter," he told TG2, as reported by ANSA press agency.
Moggi then spoke in relation to Tuesday's highly charged hearing at the Calcipoli trial in Naples, and insists his innocence.
"This is a process based on chit-chat and they obscured what they needed to. But, there was no system, it was merely a way to behave. The first to behave like this was the federation and lega. No-one was meant to call designators, but everyone did," he added.
"With Fachetti it was different. Not only did he speak with [Paolo] Bergamo (the former designator), but he asked him about the referee grid, and wanted Collina."
Moggi's claim has been vehemently denied by Gianfelice Facchetti, son of Giacinto, who was the then Inter president accused of asking for certain referees for a number of matches.
Here is an extract of another call published by Il Corriere dello Sport which sees Facchetti telling Bergamo that Moratti has a gift for him. Bergamo also suggests a way of improving their league position following a poor run.
Facchetti: If you call Moratti... I was there yesterday with him... we spoke.
Bergamo: I no longer have his number, if you give it to me... infact remember, we spoke about this.
Facchetti: Yes, because he wanted to, if you come down someday.
Bergamo: Where to? Forte? (a resort where Moratti is known to visit)
Facchetti: In the office, no no in Milan. If you come down he has a gift to give you.
Bergamo: I just wanted to meet you guys so we could reflect on certain things.
Facchetti: Yes, Ok.
Bergamo: It's a situation that I would like to help you with because the team doesn't deserve its position.
Facchetti: They have been 12 incredible draws.
However, Facchetti's family have been quick to issue a statement denying that certain calls involved the late former president. Their denial is in relation to a call in which Facchetti is alledged to have named a referee.
During Tuesday's trial the court heard an extract of this call which was presented by Moggi's defence team.
Facchetti: Send us Collina, send us Collina.
However, on a version published by Sky Sport Italia, Facchetti doesn't mention Collina's name.
Facchetti: Send us a some...
Bergamo: We'll send Collina.
It's this difference that has led to the Facchetti family to defend their father's position at the time, and they have accused Moggi's defence of falsifying evidence.
The Facchetti statement, published in La Gazzetta dello Sport reads:
"A phone call between my father Giancinto and Bergamo was used and published in a subversive way.
"In one call my father is made out to be speaking about Collina, but in fact it was Bergamo who mentioned him.
"Thus a totally different interpretation of the original call has come out, used by Moggi in court with the compliance of certain organs of information.
"This falsification of facts is shameful and unacceptable."
But, the biggest bombshell was dropped by one of Moggi's lawyers Paco D'Onofrio who said Inter's Scudetto could be revoked in light of all the new evidence which has been thrown up in the court room.
"Within a month we will make a request to the FIGC to have Inter's Scudetto, the one handed to them by Guido Rossi [in 2006], revoked,"
"The evidence over the last few days will, in effect, become proof should the court grant authorisation.
"Those calls which involve Inter and Milan and the referee system show that the previous beliefs that came out during the sporting trial of 2006 were destitute and without foundation."
Teresa Casoria, the judge presiding over the Naples trial has accepted Moggi's evidence following Tuesday's hearing. The court will regather for the next session on April 20.
The case continues.
