Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (46 Viewers)

Jasp

Senior Member
Mar 19, 2009
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Frequent reader of this forum and I finally feel compiled to add.

I have been a Juve fan for about 15 years and had accepted the verdict and relegation and continued loving the club. I had never been fully educated on all the aspect of this stuff but know having read some information I am becoming quiet angry. If it is true that everyone was acting the same we deserve some retribution. I think that Juve was unlucky to have Elkann at the helm when all this went down. He was young, the WC was starting and he probably wanted to move forward as quickly as possible. If any of the Agnelli brothers had been around they would not of stood for Juve being dragged through the mud.

So in closing, JOHN ELKANN MUST TAKE THE LEAD IN THIS SITUATION. Come out and let everyone know that we were wronged and will not stand for it. If he does not come out and defend his club, which his grandfather loved, he should sell his shares and concentrate on other business's. All I know is that if my grand father left me at the helm of Juve I would defend it to the death.
Well put
 

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Luca

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2007
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The shit has well and truely hit the fan.
I don't think anything will happen to inter, however we should get some sort of damages if this works out.
More money to spend on crap.
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
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The shit has well and truely hit the fan.
I don't think anything will happen to inter, however we should get some sort of damages if this works out.
More money to spend on crap.
fuck the money, I want our Scudetti back.

and Moggi's statement about everyone being gulty or innocent is oh so true now.
 

Ken

The Dutch Touch
Aug 17, 2007
13,340
I want the Scudetti back aswell, but fuck the money? Now more than ever we need some good cash to rebuild, otherwise this is going to drag on forever.
 

Luca

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2007
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I agree, but is that really realistic.

If they reassign our scudetti (they damn should) it's gonna get real messy, money would come straight from the courts/figc/gea.
Having a scudetto back is taking something from inter, it's tricky and will probably blow up into a massive fight between the clubs.
Right now our issue is with the FIGC an the GEA.
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
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I agree, but is that really realistic.

If they reassign our scudetti (they damn should) it's gonna get real messy, money would come straight from the courts/figc/gea.
Having a scudetto back is taking something from inter, it's tricky and will probably blow up into a massive fight between the clubs.
Right now our issue is with the FIGC an the GEA.
correct me if I'm wrong, but the losses we suffered was more due to cancellation of sporting contracts, than actual fines placed on the club?
 

Luca

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2007
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I want the Scudetti back aswell, but fuck the money? Now more than ever we need some good cash to rebuild, otherwise this is going to drag on forever.
If Italian courts calculate damages in the same way as English courts our award of cash will be astronomical.

They would have to give us money for

Players we sold, not at the price we sold them for but their true value.

Loss of Champions league money

Loss of money for being in B instead of A

T.V revenue

Defamation of our club in public.

Court + Litigation fees
 

Luca

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2007
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correct me if I'm wrong, but the losses we suffered was more due to cancellation of sporting contracts, than actual fines placed on the club?
Agreed but read my below post, the big one is what you metioned and competion and especially tv revenue, all claimable.
 

Ken

The Dutch Touch
Aug 17, 2007
13,340
Exactly. We've suffered huge losses, few hundred million with ease, if you take everything into account. I have no hopes whatsoever we'll get all of that money, but I think we should fight for more than just the Scudetti.

Just look at the state our team is in. If everybody were to remain fit we have a decent team but even then a few spots are far too weak to actually compete with Europe's elite. Before we got relegated, we had a great squad.

We need to spend big money now, so any financial benefits coming from this would be ideal. It would allows us to invest in young quality players to rebuild. It's quite important we chase the $$ if there's any possibility of us getting compensation.
 

Luca

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2007
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If we can reclaim scudetti then that would basically aquitt us of any wrongdoings, therefore claiming money will be easy as it is a natural consequence.
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
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I agree, but is that really realistic.

If they reassign our scudetti (they damn should) it's gonna get real messy, money would come straight from the courts/figc/gea.
Having a scudetto back is taking something from inter, it's tricky and will probably blow up into a massive fight between the clubs.
Right now our issue is with the FIGC an the GEA.
I may be wrong here but do we (as Juventus) even have an issue right now? Not yet, I'd imagine.

I'm not gonna get my hopes up.
 

s3bastjan

New Member
Sep 25, 2009
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In an interview with the president, he did not deny phone calls with the designator. Moratti In 2006: "Depends on what you say if you talk to Bergamo. But, that was different from the others."



From these days, what have been said is that Moratti has always maintained he never had contacts with the referee designators. But, that is not true. Yesterday an interview emerged with the magazine, Corriere della Sera, on August 31, 2006 in which the president of Inter addresses the issues of Calciopoli with an interview with Claudio Sabelli Fioretti. These are the salient passages.



Moggi said that one of those who talked with Bergamo is also Facchetti...

"There is nothing wrong with talking to Bergamo. The difference lies in the things you say."



So more or less, what is your relationship with the designators?

"They call to see if all goes well."



Have you ever called a designator?

"No. But I have received a few calls from them asking my opinion."



So it is possible that one day those phone calls will come out and there you are...

"Just normal calls without any interests."



Moggi said that if they had to wiretapping others they would have discovered the same thing.

"But not Moggi's? It was evidenced that Juve have everything to do with it and not Inter."



Maybe they won because they were good.

"Juve had a great coach and a good team. The could easily win without tricks but they wanted to be 100% sure. We couldn't afford the slightest risk of losing. The system by Moggi was like an insurance."



But you understood the existence of Moggi's system?

"If I knew I would not have sent the team on field. Why play knowing that you can not win? But I realized that Moggi and Giraudo had the advantages. And the referees had special attention for them."



Some time ago, the former referee Nucini came to you and told you everything was rotten.

"I sent him to the judges but he did not confirm his story. He was afraid of the consequenses."



What could denounce him?

"He feared that iwas a trap to make us look bad. But came the desire to understand what was true."



They also put referee De Santis under surveilance.

"One person offered to do so. But nothing came out of it."



Who should jump off the tower between Moggi and Giraudo?

"Moggi has always shown his face, bravely. Throw Giraudo."



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So, IN 2006, Moratti admitted contacts with designators so this so-called "new" information is not so much new.
 

Luca

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2007
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@ Buckfutter
Well that's where this statement on our website comes in, it's far too gung-ho to suggest we are not seeking any sort of retribution in regards to the FIGC and/or the GEA. What happens next will be very intriguing.
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,880
@ Buckfutter
Well that's where this statement on our website comes in, it's far too gung-ho to suggest we are not seeking any sort of retribution in regards to the FIGC and/or the GEA. What happens next will be very intriguing.
Personally, I wouldn't read too much into that statement. They probably felt obliged to say something, while remaining as vague as possible.

The next few weeks will indeed be rather intriguing, but we shouldn't start dreaming just yet. Moggi has not (yet?) been cleared, neither is there any clear indication that the FIGC will (re)open the investigation.

And even if Moggi as an individual ends up "winning", that doesn't necessarily mean that Juve as a society ends up "winning", as illogical as it may sound.
 

Omair

Herticity
Sep 27, 2006
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I wouldn't. Wouldn't be surprised on an Elkann-Moratti wiretap either. Now it's mentioned, I think that's the fastest way get rid of the management :p
 

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