"Whatsa matter with you? Don't you no logic is not permitted on here?"
You've demonstrated none since you are continuosly trying to legitimize an unlawful trial.
"We are just meant to believe what we are told here and that is it."
You already did that when you believed the Gazetta translations
"In his first post in this thread he stated that a certain judge said that the rulings were wrong and when i called him on it , that the judge is 81 and probably senile he goes the other way and says that is his point that they put an 81 year old as 1 of the judges.First he uses this judge as 1 of the people that agrees with him then he calls him senile when the tables are turned against him"
No idiot, I'm the first to say he's an idiot. I'm not changing my mind. I'm calling into question the credibility of a judge that relegates a team and then says it was wrong to do so.
"He stated that they listened to 100,000 phone calls. Can you imagine am 81 year old listening to 100,000 phone calls and still live to talk about it?"
WRONG! I said I listened. part of the problem is that the judges never did. They only had the wire transcripts which were presented by the Neapolitan Prosecutors as evidence. When the defence tried to present the actual recording they were denied in trial and were deemed "irrelevant" How confused are you? Read the whole post.
"Going back to phone calls and wire taps, he stated that Moggi proved that anyone could have impersonated him on a tv show, to prove his point he even posted you tube to impress us.But if someone impersonated Moggi then why post the wire-taps, surely they are irrelevant as they were obviously engineered to frame Moggi?"
What are you trying to get at. Moggi claimed that several calls were never made by him (not all) and showed with a phone technician how they can be impersonated. This argument mostly dismantles the SIM Card argument.
"I asked how come the uproar has not been so great, he says I should visit forumsDid I have to visit a forum to find out that there were riots on sunday?"
There were protests and demonstrations from various fan groups the moment the verdicts were read and demonstrations are still carrying on.
"He says a football tribunal is a court but as you have pointed out you cannot do that in a court as it against eu law and other legalities"
But thety did which is what makes the trial unlawful and the subject of 3 seperate appeals.
"He says Moratti invented wiretaps for the sole purpose of Calciopoli in that to frame Juventus but how does that explain Vieri being tapped"
Moratti didn't invent them idiot, he authorized their surveillance and Vieri too sued Moratti for the exact same thing...not even sure what you are getting at there
"Moratti is not a nice person we all know that with his illegal means of gathering information to suit his needs but it does not mean that he invented stuff"
there are signs of manipulated wire transcripts and a telecom employee named Caterina Platea confessed to it in court...
"I ask how come Inter are not universally loathed, he says according to GOAL.COM, they are the most hated team. They are champions and won it by a long way, what do you expect and noone likes a grass as that was all Inter are guilty of"
They weren't the champs yet dunce and goal didn't do the poll...it was done n Italy and they had an article on it.
"I want to ask someone like Cronios, do you really think that Olympiakos can get Panathinaikos relegated with no hard evidence and the whole of Greece knows that it was just for financial and political gain.Would nothing be done? Would there still be a league to play in Greece? Or Fred Weasley, I believe you are from Egypt, can Zamalek get Ahly National relegated for the reasons we have been told on here and there would be no nationwide riot because this is the bullshit we are been told to swallow here"
Oh my god shut the fuck up. That's your only argument. You think THINK it's impossible when they fucking did it. STOP QUESTIONING THE OBVIOUS! They relegated them with no hard evidence and admitted to it and you won't let go of that as your chief argument. It happened and it shouldn't have which is why it's being appealed in three different trials.
"Didnt Marion Jones protest her innocence for years? Did the authorities find anything until she confessed 7 years later? Did she not lie under oath?"
Yet she confessed...much like Caterina Platea. Where were the confessions in Calciopoli that conclude Juve cheated?
"How many of you guys that keep defending him listened to all the alleged 100,00 calls?"
I know you listened to none but keep questioning the only guy here who listened to them
"How many of you looked at the whole documents? How many of you have actually taken the time to ask your Italian friends that are not Juventus fans or iNTER fans and listen to their take on the matter?"
You didn't, I did. You argue based on nothing, I argue based on information.
"To be honest I am bored of this thread, there is no stimulation, I was hoping to be impressed by 1 man's quest to get to the truth but instead all I get is someone so full of discrepancies in his statements, never realises when he is putting his foot in it."
Find a discrepancy. The only discrepancies you find are the ones in the trial documents that I outline. I hope you are sick of posting here because you do nothing but add bullshit. A bunch of hypothetical questions and runarounds.You have failed in all these weeks of posting to present one single valid argument. You should have shut up pages ago and continue because you can't admit to yourself that a new guy showed up and made you look stupid. Take it as a lesson. Don't jump in head first in an argument when you don't know what you are talking about because you may get shamed.
"You question him and he comes up with you don't know Italian or you don't have evidence"
You don't know Italian and you don't know the evidence which is why you continue to ask the same questions that have been answered several times. If you understood the language we wouldn't be having this discussion at all. It would have been settled a long time ago.
"I don't need to understand English to know Manchester United cannot be relegated by Abramovic, never in a million years."
IT FUCKING HAPPENED STOP QUESTIONING IT! Do you live in a fairytale where every trial is just. Look up Ruben Carter and tell me that "he must have committed murder" because the State of New Jersey can't sentence someone to life in jail based on nothing.
"Nobody hates unfairness like I do and if i though for a minute that Juventus were innocent then I would be like a rabid wolverine and would definitely go beyond forums but I don't believe we are innocent"
Like I haven't. Besides, stop bullshitting. If all this hasn't made you question the lawfulness and credibility of that trial than it is because you want to believe they were guilty.
"I am taking my slow-milan-loving-inter-adoring-media-believing-douche-period-having-illiterate-non-italian-speaking-pig-headed self out here"
About fucking time. you ran out of shit to say 2 weeks ago anyway and your welcome for showing you what really happened, what was really said, and what was really written in that trial.
"Dazzle them with your wit and rhetoric as there is no more bad guy to your good guy"
The bad guy is and always will be the FIGC, Telecom, Tronchetti, Moratti, Rossi, and Montezemolo...you wren't a bad guy. You were just a child who thought he could win an argument based on his imagination.
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