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I seem to remember that season Roma would never have won lo scudetto if it wasn't for a game v Venezia where Collina gave them 2 penalties in injury time to salvage a result. Both were definate pens, but Collina was banned from refereeing the top 3 clubs for the remainder of that season.
I also recall the rain delayed game v Perugia where Collina made us play, we lost & Lazio won scudetto. Collina has since admitted to being a Laziali - in his autobiography. He is much more well liked outside Italy than he is here.
I seem to remember that season Roma would never have won lo scudetto if it wasn't for a game v Venezia where Collina gave them 2 penalties in injury time to salvage a result. Both were definate pens, but Collina was banned from refereeing the top 3 clubs for the remainder of that season.
I also recall the rain delayed game v Perugia where Collina made us play, we lost & Lazio won scudetto. Collina has since admitted to being a Laziali - in his autobiography. He is much more well liked outside Italy than he is here.
Juveadam post it a 4th time if it makes you feel better but you asked me no questions there that merit a response.
"I have to wonder why you would continue to post in these forums yourself when we all are so un-educated?"
Is that it? Answer...to educate fans and to defend my team.
I responded to you before and you totally ignored it.
"the evidence proves that Moggi did solicit favours from refs"
Who were the refs and what were the favours? You didn't answer...because you can't.
"I have to wonder why you would continue to post in these forums yourself when we all are so un-educated?"
Is that it? Answer...to educate fans and to defend my team.
I responded to you before and you totally ignored it.
"the evidence proves that Moggi did solicit favours from refs"
Who were the refs and what were the favours? You didn't answer...because you can't.
The following is a conversation takes place a day after a Champions League third qualifying round game in Turin on 10 August 2004 in which an unfancied Swedish side, Djurgaarden, held Juventus to a 2-2 draw after the Italians had a goal disallowed. Moggi is talking to 'Gigi' Pairetto, head of the referees' association.
Moggi: Gigi, what fuck of a referee did you send us?
Pairetto: [Herbert] Fandel? He's number one, he's a top guy.
Moggi: Yes, whatever, but Miccoli's goal was valid.
Pairetto: No.
Moggi: It's valid, it's valid.
Pairetto: No, it was right in front [of the ref].
Moggi: What are you talking about ... it wasn't in front ... the entire game was an absolute disaster.
Pairetto: But you know he [i.e. Fandel] is one of the best guys.
Moggi: Well, I tell you, he can really fuck off. I have to make the return match in Stockholm secure no?
Pairetto: For fuck's sake ... mamma mia ... this [one] really has to be a proper game.
Moggi: No, we are going to win ... but with another [referee] like [Fandel] it's going to be a bit difficult no? You follow me?
Moggi then gives orders for the upcoming Juventus v Messina friendly, naming various referees and linesmen.
Moggi: For Messina, send me Consolo and Battaglia ... with Cassara eh? [None of these officials is suspected of any offence.]
Pairetto: Done already.
Moggi: And who did you send?
Pairetto: I think it's Consola and Battaglia. I've even sorted the friendly in Livorno. It's all fine.
Moggi: In Livorno, Rocchi [a referee who is eventually investigated but cleared] eh?
Pairetto: Yes, its Rocchi in Livorno.
Moggi: And [against Milan] ... it has to be Pieri.
Pairetto: We haven't done that yet.
Moggi: OK, we'll see to that later.
Moggi: Gigi, what fuck of a referee did you send us?
Pairetto: [Herbert] Fandel? He's number one, he's a top guy.
Moggi: Yes, whatever, but Miccoli's goal was valid.
Pairetto: No.
Moggi: It's valid, it's valid.
Pairetto: No, it was right in front [of the ref].
Moggi: What are you talking about ... it wasn't in front ... the entire game was an absolute disaster.
Pairetto: But you know he [i.e. Fandel] is one of the best guys.
Moggi: Well, I tell you, he can really fuck off. I have to make the return match in Stockholm secure no?
Pairetto: For fuck's sake ... mamma mia ... this [one] really has to be a proper game.
Moggi: No, we are going to win ... but with another [referee] like [Fandel] it's going to be a bit difficult no? You follow me?
Moggi then gives orders for the upcoming Juventus v Messina friendly, naming various referees and linesmen.
Moggi: For Messina, send me Consolo and Battaglia ... with Cassara eh? [None of these officials is suspected of any offence.]
Pairetto: Done already.
Moggi: And who did you send?
Pairetto: I think it's Consola and Battaglia. I've even sorted the friendly in Livorno. It's all fine.
Moggi: In Livorno, Rocchi [a referee who is eventually investigated but cleared] eh?
Pairetto: Yes, its Rocchi in Livorno.
Moggi: And [against Milan] ... it has to be Pieri.
Pairetto: We haven't done that yet.
Moggi: OK, we'll see to that later.
There are Moggi's attempts to influence the selection of opposing teams through his GEA agency, there is the occasion when Moggi tried to persuade a government minister to give the go-ahead to games that were set to be cancelled because of the imminent death of Pope John Paul II (Juventus were scheduled to play a Fiorentina side lacking two players suspended and two injured). There is nothing as crude as an exchange of cash, just friendship and favours. You surely know the system existed gsol.
To call it Moggi's system is far fetched IMO, its just Italian football, thats the way it is. It all got too obvious & we carried the can for that. I dont dispute the facts you post. I think you do a great job in translating a lot of stuff for the non-Italian speaking members. Sometimes however, your conspiracy theories go a little too far - very Italian, but a little realism & a little honesty is nessacary. Juve, as a club may have been guilty of nothing, Moggi may only be guilty of playing the game, the same game as evryone else. Maybe he was better at it, maybe he pushed his luck once too often. There was a def system in place, the only things in dispute & conspiracy are the levels of guilt & the severity of punishment. You may disagree with me totally, you may not. What is wrong is a disrespect of others opinions, & questioning their support of Juve. Please dont stop posting your views, but please accept when others disagree, that is their right, & kind of the whole point of Juventuz in the 1st place.
To call it Moggi's system is far fetched IMO, its just Italian football, thats the way it is. It all got too obvious & we carried the can for that. I dont dispute the facts you post. I think you do a great job in translating a lot of stuff for the non-Italian speaking members. Sometimes however, your conspiracy theories go a little too far - very Italian, but a little realism & a little honesty is nessacary. Juve, as a club may have been guilty of nothing, Moggi may only be guilty of playing the game, the same game as evryone else. Maybe he was better at it, maybe he pushed his luck once too often. There was a def system in place, the only things in dispute & conspiracy are the levels of guilt & the severity of punishment. You may disagree with me totally, you may not. What is wrong is a disrespect of others opinions, & questioning their support of Juve. Please dont stop posting your views, but please accept when others disagree, that is their right, & kind of the whole point of Juventuz in the 1st place.
Gee did I offend you? You think because I dont buy into your pile of horseshit that you are so mad?
Lets face it you are here to promote your book and trying to get people to know who you are .
Me, I am not here for any ulterior motives, I am just here to post on topics that i find interesting.
The thing is if you take away your childish outbursts you are kinda interesting and that is the only reason I have not come down on you like a ton of bricks.
Yes you go on a tangent that is totally to your benefit and you say things that make absolutely no sense whatsoever and most of the time you skip around questions directed at you and try to answer with fluff instead of substance but you are quite the character, i will give you that.
All those incidents you put out there are to noone's benefit and its 1 of the worts things you have done so far as everybody on this forum knows there are bad calls everywhere so what exactly was its purpose?
It did not disprove the fact that Juventus gets favourable decisions and it did nothing to prove your theories of conspiracies.
But I want to go over some of that, I too agree that the Ronaldo incident was blown out of all proportion because I thought it was foul but an indirect free kick in the box because that is what obstruction is and thats what Iuliano did to Ronaldo.
As for Taribo West kicking dp in the face well that is utter horseshit as Dp would not have gotten up, no mark on his face and no blood and offered to take the ensuing penalty.
I still stand by my decision as regards the penalty shootout, both goalkeepers came forward before the kick was taken as you can plainly see but Dida was worse does not preclude the fact that Buffon was guilty of the same thing.
I think you would find out that Sheva headbutted Materazzi and not the other way round
Why do you bring up supercup controversy, who cares about supercup?
Another matter not yet brought up is how it is that under Moggi we could have so many players plying their trade in serieA that we owned and please do not tell me that is not a conflict of interest
Most of these players had not a chance in hell to play for Juventus and yet we owned them, are you saying that this is not an avenue for fraud?
I am perturbed as to why Paparesta was banned as it cannot be because he did not report the incident with Moggi, it has to be deeper than that and it cannot be because of the Reggina incident either.
If it is true that he tried to call Moggi and Moggi said he did not wanna speak to him, why was he calling?
Obviously they had a heated argument and Moggi may or may not have locked him in the bathroom so what the hell was he calling about?
On a side issue when you do publish your book would I be in the acknowledgement as i would hate to think all this was for nought
Lets face it you are here to promote your book and trying to get people to know who you are .
Me, I am not here for any ulterior motives, I am just here to post on topics that i find interesting.
The thing is if you take away your childish outbursts you are kinda interesting and that is the only reason I have not come down on you like a ton of bricks.
Yes you go on a tangent that is totally to your benefit and you say things that make absolutely no sense whatsoever and most of the time you skip around questions directed at you and try to answer with fluff instead of substance but you are quite the character, i will give you that.
All those incidents you put out there are to noone's benefit and its 1 of the worts things you have done so far as everybody on this forum knows there are bad calls everywhere so what exactly was its purpose?
It did not disprove the fact that Juventus gets favourable decisions and it did nothing to prove your theories of conspiracies.
But I want to go over some of that, I too agree that the Ronaldo incident was blown out of all proportion because I thought it was foul but an indirect free kick in the box because that is what obstruction is and thats what Iuliano did to Ronaldo.
As for Taribo West kicking dp in the face well that is utter horseshit as Dp would not have gotten up, no mark on his face and no blood and offered to take the ensuing penalty.
I still stand by my decision as regards the penalty shootout, both goalkeepers came forward before the kick was taken as you can plainly see but Dida was worse does not preclude the fact that Buffon was guilty of the same thing.
I think you would find out that Sheva headbutted Materazzi and not the other way round
Why do you bring up supercup controversy, who cares about supercup?
Another matter not yet brought up is how it is that under Moggi we could have so many players plying their trade in serieA that we owned and please do not tell me that is not a conflict of interest
Most of these players had not a chance in hell to play for Juventus and yet we owned them, are you saying that this is not an avenue for fraud?
I am perturbed as to why Paparesta was banned as it cannot be because he did not report the incident with Moggi, it has to be deeper than that and it cannot be because of the Reggina incident either.
If it is true that he tried to call Moggi and Moggi said he did not wanna speak to him, why was he calling?
Obviously they had a heated argument and Moggi may or may not have locked him in the bathroom so what the hell was he calling about?
On a side issue when you do publish your book would I be in the acknowledgement as i would hate to think all this was for nought
Why is it funny? Moggi wanted games to go ahead despite the death of the Pope, yeah hilarious. Look Turk, you have your opinion, I have mine, neither of us will ever find out whos right. Whats the point in arguing about it when no one can prove it either way? The definative evidence just does not exist.
To Juveadam
"Moggi then gives orders for the upcoming Juventus v Messina friendly, naming various referees and linesmen."
- It's a friendly...don't make me laugh.
Aas far as the CL Qualifier. Thanks. I have that call. What wa your point? First of all that had nothing to do with Serie A but complaining after a game about a bad ref (he was terrible) not only is allowed but totally normal. We see coaches and directors do it on TV and papers. Why would you bother to point that out. Then asking for a good ref who won't fuck the game up hardly constitutes corruption. Bottom line is people see what they want to. When Facchetti made the same call to Pairetto regarding a Valencia game no one said shit...but Moggi complains about a bad ref and he gets nailed to a cross.
Just for the record all the calls are like that so keep digging if you want to but you'll never hear anything illegal. Trust me.
"There are Moggi's attempts to influence the selection of opposing teams through his GEA agency,"
I am pretty sure I posted stuff on GEA and who actually ran it. Trust Moggi was in no position to ask for shit because his son there was no one compared to who the investors were. I'll look, if it's not here I'll post it...if you promise to read it. Just for the record in the GEA hearings Moggi has been cleared. Ya it's still going on but charges against him are being dropped according to reports.
"there is the occasion when Moggi tried to persuade a government minister to give the go-ahead to games that were set to be cancelled because of the imminent death of Pope John Paul II (Juventus were scheduled to play a Fiorentina side lacking two players suspended and two injured)."
that's a non point. The country was shut down during that period (I was living there). Believe me, Moggi may have been happy about it but had no influence in shutting Serie A down. Come on. Is he why I didn't go to school those days too?
"There is nothing as crude as an exchange of cash, just friendship and favours. You surely know the system existed gsol."
No. The judges even know it didn't exist. They stated that black on white in the sentences. "NO SYSTEM EXISTED". There were colleagues and people who had worked in the same industry for 30 years. Naturally there were friends and enemies. But if that consitutes a "system" then there is one in my office too.
"a little honesty is nessacary"
I agree, but you're preaching to the choir. I have only posted facts and evidence and when I state an opinion I let it be known that it is an opinion. When things seem far fetched it's because they are. I can't help that. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
"Moggi then gives orders for the upcoming Juventus v Messina friendly, naming various referees and linesmen."
- It's a friendly...don't make me laugh.
Aas far as the CL Qualifier. Thanks. I have that call. What wa your point? First of all that had nothing to do with Serie A but complaining after a game about a bad ref (he was terrible) not only is allowed but totally normal. We see coaches and directors do it on TV and papers. Why would you bother to point that out. Then asking for a good ref who won't fuck the game up hardly constitutes corruption. Bottom line is people see what they want to. When Facchetti made the same call to Pairetto regarding a Valencia game no one said shit...but Moggi complains about a bad ref and he gets nailed to a cross.
Just for the record all the calls are like that so keep digging if you want to but you'll never hear anything illegal. Trust me.
"There are Moggi's attempts to influence the selection of opposing teams through his GEA agency,"
I am pretty sure I posted stuff on GEA and who actually ran it. Trust Moggi was in no position to ask for shit because his son there was no one compared to who the investors were. I'll look, if it's not here I'll post it...if you promise to read it. Just for the record in the GEA hearings Moggi has been cleared. Ya it's still going on but charges against him are being dropped according to reports.
"there is the occasion when Moggi tried to persuade a government minister to give the go-ahead to games that were set to be cancelled because of the imminent death of Pope John Paul II (Juventus were scheduled to play a Fiorentina side lacking two players suspended and two injured)."
that's a non point. The country was shut down during that period (I was living there). Believe me, Moggi may have been happy about it but had no influence in shutting Serie A down. Come on. Is he why I didn't go to school those days too?
"There is nothing as crude as an exchange of cash, just friendship and favours. You surely know the system existed gsol."
No. The judges even know it didn't exist. They stated that black on white in the sentences. "NO SYSTEM EXISTED". There were colleagues and people who had worked in the same industry for 30 years. Naturally there were friends and enemies. But if that consitutes a "system" then there is one in my office too.
"a little honesty is nessacary"
I agree, but you're preaching to the choir. I have only posted facts and evidence and when I state an opinion I let it be known that it is an opinion. When things seem far fetched it's because they are. I can't help that. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
int:"Gee did I offend you? You think because I dont buy into your pile of horseshit that you are so mad?"
No, you aren't buying the evidence that I post and go against facts (that I never created anyway for the sake of arguing. You think you fooled me? I named Milan and you threw a fit...give me a break
"Lets face it you are here to promote your book and trying to get people to know who you are."
What book? I haven't written anything or posted my real name yet.
Me, I am not here for any ulterior motives, I am just here to post on topics that i find interesting.
"Yes you go on a tangent that is totally to your benefit and you say things that make absolutely no sense whatsoever and most of the time you skip around questions directed at you and try to answer with fluff instead of substance but you are quite the character, i will give you that."
hahahahahahahahaha. I posted fucking government documents and answered everything I could without hesitation. Are you illiterate?
"All those incidents you put out there are to noone's benefit and its 1 of the worts things you have done so far as everybody on this forum knows there are bad calls everywhere so what exactly was its purpose?"
No man not everybody knows because too many people bring up one shady call and think it has to do with a system. All I wanted to show was that everyone benefits and suffers from the same shit.
"It did not disprove the fact that Juventus gets favourable decisions and it did nothing to prove your theories of conspiracies."
Yes it showed that it happens to everyone but no matter what I post you will never accept it.
"But I want to go over some of that, I too agree that the Ronaldo incident was blown out of all proportion because I thought it was foul but an indirect free kick in the box because that is what obstruction is and thats what Iuliano did to Ronaldo."
Face to face obstruction with no holding? ok
"As for Taribo West kicking dp in the face well that is utter horseshit as Dp would not have gotten up, no mark on his face and no blood and offered to take the ensuing penalty."
Do you bleed every time you get hit? Look at it again and enlarge the image. He gets kicked and just for the record even if he wouldn't have connected it would at least be a "dangerous play"
"I still stand by my decision as regards the penalty shootout, both goalkeepers came forward before the kick was taken as you can plainly see but Dida was worse does not preclude the fact that Buffon was guilty of the same thing."
When you show a clip of buffon taking 2-3 steps towrds a shooter you will be right...until then go ahead and be wrong. sonmeone has to be.
"I think you would find out that Sheva headbutted Materazzi and not the other way round"
That's what I meant, sorry if I inverted the two. Didn't notice. Regardless Sheva wasn't booked.
"Why do you bring up supercup controversy, who cares about supercup?"
It's a trophy, an official game, and there is a prize purse. Besides, 'm sure if the calls went the other way we'd be reading about it still.
"Another matter not yet brought up is how it is that under Moggi we could have so many players plying their trade in serieA that we owned and please do not tell me that is not a conflict of interest"
I agree it's a conflict of interest but it is allowed. Italy isn't really known for acknowledging conflict of interest (i.e. Guido Rossi in the Commissioner's seaqt during the trials or Berlumerda selling TV rights to himeself and adversaries). Point is, they allow that. If it was illegal you'd have a point and I would agree but they broke no such rule and plenty of clubs throughout Europe do it.
"Most of these players had not a chance in hell to play for Juventus and yet we owned them, are you saying that this is not an avenue for fraud?"
Not at all. Juventus own many players from their days in the youth squad. Sometimes it is more profitable to hold them until their value rises and then sell them. None the less, it's allowed. You can't call that fraud.
"I am perturbed as to why Paparesta was banned as it cannot be because he did not report the incident with Moggi, it has to be deeper than that and it cannot be because of the Reggina incident either."
When was he banned? After the horrible officiating of the Juve game he had to referee games in Serie B for a few weeks but that's normal. If you do bad you get punished. There are examples of this everywhere even today. Maybe you meant De Santis? He got banned for Lecce-Parma for allegidly fixing the game in favour of Fiorentina. It has nothing to do with Juve so I'm not worried but he's appealing that decision in the TAR courts of Lazio.
"If it is true that he tried to call Moggi and Moggi said he did not wanna speak to him, why was he calling?"
To explain himself according to the call that followed between Giraudo and Moggi. Regardless, receiving a call and hanging up on teh person constitutes no fraud so 'd just let it go. You won't prove anything with that call. He did not lock him anywhere. Paparesta admitted that and video evidence showed him leave at the normal hour.
"On a side issue when you do publish your book would I be in the acknowledgement as i would hate to think all this was for nought"
If I write it, I'll dedicate it to people like you.
No, you aren't buying the evidence that I post and go against facts (that I never created anyway for the sake of arguing. You think you fooled me? I named Milan and you threw a fit...give me a break
"Lets face it you are here to promote your book and trying to get people to know who you are."
What book? I haven't written anything or posted my real name yet.
Me, I am not here for any ulterior motives, I am just here to post on topics that i find interesting.
"Yes you go on a tangent that is totally to your benefit and you say things that make absolutely no sense whatsoever and most of the time you skip around questions directed at you and try to answer with fluff instead of substance but you are quite the character, i will give you that."
hahahahahahahahaha. I posted fucking government documents and answered everything I could without hesitation. Are you illiterate?
"All those incidents you put out there are to noone's benefit and its 1 of the worts things you have done so far as everybody on this forum knows there are bad calls everywhere so what exactly was its purpose?"
No man not everybody knows because too many people bring up one shady call and think it has to do with a system. All I wanted to show was that everyone benefits and suffers from the same shit.
"It did not disprove the fact that Juventus gets favourable decisions and it did nothing to prove your theories of conspiracies."
Yes it showed that it happens to everyone but no matter what I post you will never accept it.
"But I want to go over some of that, I too agree that the Ronaldo incident was blown out of all proportion because I thought it was foul but an indirect free kick in the box because that is what obstruction is and thats what Iuliano did to Ronaldo."
Face to face obstruction with no holding? ok
"As for Taribo West kicking dp in the face well that is utter horseshit as Dp would not have gotten up, no mark on his face and no blood and offered to take the ensuing penalty."
Do you bleed every time you get hit? Look at it again and enlarge the image. He gets kicked and just for the record even if he wouldn't have connected it would at least be a "dangerous play"
"I still stand by my decision as regards the penalty shootout, both goalkeepers came forward before the kick was taken as you can plainly see but Dida was worse does not preclude the fact that Buffon was guilty of the same thing."
When you show a clip of buffon taking 2-3 steps towrds a shooter you will be right...until then go ahead and be wrong. sonmeone has to be.
"I think you would find out that Sheva headbutted Materazzi and not the other way round"
That's what I meant, sorry if I inverted the two. Didn't notice. Regardless Sheva wasn't booked.
"Why do you bring up supercup controversy, who cares about supercup?"
It's a trophy, an official game, and there is a prize purse. Besides, 'm sure if the calls went the other way we'd be reading about it still.
"Another matter not yet brought up is how it is that under Moggi we could have so many players plying their trade in serieA that we owned and please do not tell me that is not a conflict of interest"
I agree it's a conflict of interest but it is allowed. Italy isn't really known for acknowledging conflict of interest (i.e. Guido Rossi in the Commissioner's seaqt during the trials or Berlumerda selling TV rights to himeself and adversaries). Point is, they allow that. If it was illegal you'd have a point and I would agree but they broke no such rule and plenty of clubs throughout Europe do it.
"Most of these players had not a chance in hell to play for Juventus and yet we owned them, are you saying that this is not an avenue for fraud?"
Not at all. Juventus own many players from their days in the youth squad. Sometimes it is more profitable to hold them until their value rises and then sell them. None the less, it's allowed. You can't call that fraud.
"I am perturbed as to why Paparesta was banned as it cannot be because he did not report the incident with Moggi, it has to be deeper than that and it cannot be because of the Reggina incident either."
When was he banned? After the horrible officiating of the Juve game he had to referee games in Serie B for a few weeks but that's normal. If you do bad you get punished. There are examples of this everywhere even today. Maybe you meant De Santis? He got banned for Lecce-Parma for allegidly fixing the game in favour of Fiorentina. It has nothing to do with Juve so I'm not worried but he's appealing that decision in the TAR courts of Lazio.
"If it is true that he tried to call Moggi and Moggi said he did not wanna speak to him, why was he calling?"
To explain himself according to the call that followed between Giraudo and Moggi. Regardless, receiving a call and hanging up on teh person constitutes no fraud so 'd just let it go. You won't prove anything with that call. He did not lock him anywhere. Paparesta admitted that and video evidence showed him leave at the normal hour.
"On a side issue when you do publish your book would I be in the acknowledgement as i would hate to think all this was for nought"
If I write it, I'll dedicate it to people like you.
The Scudetti in the 1909 and 1910 years were under something other than teh FIGC. It was "La Lega Nazionale" or something like that.
At the time there were 3 tournaments through the FIGC, CCI, and Lega Nazionale. The FIGC eventually took over all three. If you look at title holders histories you'll see that in the 20's there is a CCI champ and an FIGC champ. They thought it was ok to count two champions from the CCI and FIGC but never acknowledged the two years of Lega Nazionale. Coincidentally only Juventus ever won it.
At the time there were 3 tournaments through the FIGC, CCI, and Lega Nazionale. The FIGC eventually took over all three. If you look at title holders histories you'll see that in the 20's there is a CCI champ and an FIGC champ. They thought it was ok to count two champions from the CCI and FIGC but never acknowledged the two years of Lega Nazionale. Coincidentally only Juventus ever won it.
