Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (51 Viewers)

[Miss Dangerous*]

Things have never been the same after Moggi

 

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[Quetzalcoatl]

if the club didn't treat him so badly at the end, maybe he would have helped us behind the scenes, without being officially employed by juve.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

if the club didn't treat him so badly at the end, maybe he would have helped us behind the scenes, without being officially employed by juve.

they treated him like he is our enemy

 

[Miss Dangerous*]

if the club didn't treat him so badly at the end, maybe he would have helped us behind the scenes, without being officially employed by juve.

He might have! I still feel like Moggi is not far from Juve

 

[denco]

"Gee did I offend you? You think because I dont buy into your pile of horseshit that you are so mad?"

No, you aren't buying the evidence that I post and go against facts (that I never created anyway for the sake of arguing. You think you fooled me? I named Milan and you threw a fit...give me a break

"Lets face it you are here to promote your book and trying to get people to know who you are."

What book? I haven't written anything or posted my real name yet.




Me, I am not here for any ulterior motives, I am just here to post on topics that i find interesting.


"Yes you go on a tangent that is totally to your benefit and you say things that make absolutely no sense whatsoever and most of the time you skip around questions directed at you and try to answer with fluff instead of substance but you are quite the character, i will give you that."

hahahahahahahahaha. I posted fucking government documents and answered everything I could without hesitation. Are you illiterate?



"All those incidents you put out there are to noone's benefit and its 1 of the worts things you have done so far as everybody on this forum knows there are bad calls everywhere so what exactly was its purpose?"

No man not everybody knows because too many people bring up one shady call and think it has to do with a system. All I wanted to show was that everyone benefits and suffers from the same shit.

"It did not disprove the fact that Juventus gets favourable decisions and it did nothing to prove your theories of conspiracies."

Yes it showed that it happens to everyone but no matter what I post you will never accept it.

"But I want to go over some of that, I too agree that the Ronaldo incident was blown out of all proportion because I thought it was foul but an indirect free kick in the box because that is what obstruction is and thats what Iuliano did to Ronaldo."

Face to face obstruction with no holding? ok

"As for Taribo West kicking dp in the face well that is utter horseshit as Dp would not have gotten up, no mark on his face and no blood and offered to take the ensuing penalty."

Do you bleed every time you get hit? Look at it again and enlarge the image. He gets kicked and just for the record even if he wouldn't have connected it would at least be a "dangerous play"

"I still stand by my decision as regards the penalty shootout, both goalkeepers came forward before the kick was taken as you can plainly see but Dida was worse does not preclude the fact that Buffon was guilty of the same thing."

When you show a clip of buffon taking 2-3 steps towrds a shooter you will be right...until then go ahead and be wrong. sonmeone has to be.

"I think you would find out that Sheva headbutted Materazzi and not the other way round"

That's what I meant, sorry if I inverted the two. Didn't notice. Regardless Sheva wasn't booked.

"Why do you bring up supercup controversy, who cares about supercup?"

It's a trophy, an official game, and there is a prize purse. Besides, 'm sure if the calls went the other way we'd be reading about it still.

"Another matter not yet brought up is how it is that under Moggi we could have so many players plying their trade in serieA that we owned and please do not tell me that is not a conflict of interest"

I agree it's a conflict of interest but it is allowed. Italy isn't really known for acknowledging conflict of interest (i.e. Guido Rossi in the Commissioner's seaqt during the trials or Berlumerda selling TV rights to himeself and adversaries). Point is, they allow that. If it was illegal you'd have a point and I would agree but they broke no such rule and plenty of clubs throughout Europe do it.

"Most of these players had not a chance in hell to play for Juventus and yet we owned them, are you saying that this is not an avenue for fraud?"

Not at all. Juventus own many players from their days in the youth squad. Sometimes it is more profitable to hold them until their value rises and then sell them. None the less, it's allowed. You can't call that fraud.

"I am perturbed as to why Paparesta was banned as it cannot be because he did not report the incident with Moggi, it has to be deeper than that and it cannot be because of the Reggina incident either."

When was he banned? After the horrible officiating of the Juve game he had to referee games in Serie B for a few weeks but that's normal. If you do bad you get punished. There are examples of this everywhere even today. Maybe you meant De Santis? He got banned for Lecce-Parma for allegidly fixing the game in favour of Fiorentina. It has nothing to do with Juve so I'm not worried but he's appealing that decision in the TAR courts of Lazio.

"If it is true that he tried to call Moggi and Moggi said he did not wanna speak to him, why was he calling?"

To explain himself according to the call that followed between Giraudo and Moggi. Regardless, receiving a call and hanging up on teh person constitutes no fraud so 'd just let it go. You won't prove anything with that call. He did not lock him anywhere. Paparesta admitted that and video evidence showed him leave at the normal hour.


"On a side issue when you do publish your book would I be in the acknowledgement as i would hate to think all this was for nought"

If I write it, I'll dedicate it to people like you.

If I was illiterate we would not be having this conversation because i would have absolutely no idea what you have written and in fact I would not be in this forum whatsoever.

Stop being so frustrated, I am not a sheep and you cannot just say stuff and expect me to believe it.

You have your sheep around here that will believe everything you say as long as it means Inter are the bad guys or is it Milan or is it capitale that own sponsor Lazio and Roma, it does get rather confusing

The same way those anti-juve cannot just make up stuff and expect me to believe it either.

You even have the temerity to ask if every time I am hit whether i bleed, I will bleed if someone wearing football boots kicks me in the face

There has been many injustices in football we all know that England's 2nd and crucial goal against W Germany in wc 66 did not cross the line

Maradona's hand ball against England in 86

Sol Campbell's goals against Argentina in 98 and Potrugal in 2004 were ruled out for no reason

Leeds united totally robbed against Bayern Munich in the 1976 european cup final

Italy in 2002 wc were hard done by

West Germany and Austria putting Algeria out in 1978

Argentina 6 peru 0 in 1978

Maradona and Canniggia being the only players to have failed a cocaine test, or was it just coincidence that these 2 players put Italy out of Italia 90 when it was known that half of Napoli's squad were on coke but only Maradona tested positive

Italy against France 2000, where the hell did the referee get 4 minutes from?

Manchester United given 7 minutes to score 2 goals against Sheffield Wednesday to enable them win their first championship in 25 years

The list goes on and on

Countless and countless of bad decisisons that go against poor teams when they play the big boys so a Juve supporter should never whinge that Milan is being favoured. Milan fans that whinge against decisions have a nerve to do so

What exactly was Collina meant to do when Perugia played Juventus? There was not a chance in hell that he could postpone the game as it would have caused an extreme uproar for us to play at a later time already knowing what Lazio had done.

It was an act of nature and it is not as if he gave debatable decisions, Perugia were playing under similar circumstances

When Juventus played Siena and go 3-0 up in 8 minutes and then you realise a large percentage of Siena players are ither owned by Juventus or agents of Moggi's son, it does raise a few eyebrows.

Do you think Moggi is innocent? If he is not what would you say he is guilty of?

 

[JuveAdam]

Then asking for a good ref who won't fuck the game up hardly constitutes corruption. Bottom line is people see what they want to. When Facchetti made the same call to Pairetto regarding a Valencia game no one said shit...but Moggi complains about a bad ref and he gets nailed to a cross.

He asked for the ref by name, as he did a number of times. As I keep saying, no there is nothing illegal, its unsporting & against the spirit of competition. That why we were tried & punished by a sporting court. Your point about Facchetti goes to exactly what I said here;

Moggi may only be guilty of playing the game, the same game as evryone else. Maybe he was better at it, maybe he pushed his luck once too often. There was a def system in place, the only things in dispute & conspiracy are the levels of guilt & the severity of punishment.

I wanted the games to go ahead too. So should I be investigated.

By the way, did they listen to Moggi?

No they didn't, & unless you are employed by a Serie A club you should not be investigated. Again, as I keep saying, yet you so conveiniently ignore, we were tried & punished by a sporting court, which has no need for laws to be broken

I agree with you!

Finally, some sense! Give us Moggi back!!!



@Denco - keep up the good work!

 

[Geof]

gsol I must say I admire the fact that you stand still in this argument. for that.

And are you still planning to write a book? Good luck with that, it will be a hell of work, I fear; providing that every fact you mention should be backed by exact sources if you want some credibility.

And you're mentioning a law suit that giu le mani della juve intended before the European Court of Commerce:
1- It's European Court of Justice, no?
2- Could you give us some details about it?

Thanks!

 

[rounder]

Something I don't understand is why some people can't accept that there is actually no 100% true answer here . I believe Moggi is guilty , I also believe the Calciopoli is corrupt . It's not a "yes" or "no" answer . Moggi is guilty , there is no doubt about it , he may be less guilty than he seems , maybe , but still guilty .
He has even admitted it himself yet some people still come out and say that he's as innocent as a newborn baby .

there may have been more dirty hands than Moggi in this whole thing but Moggi did wrong and we paid for it , end of story . Untill the others who were involved are caught and pay for what they have done , I could care less about this whole thing . No matter how much you study and try to comprehend what happened in the calciopoli , you will never have a final conclusive answer . Too many question marks here . That's why there isn't one certain answer . There is no point trying to prove Moggi is innocent/guilty when there are this many uncertainties .

No one knows for how long this system has been corrupt , no one knows if this system is even more corrupt than it was before . I don't know why people even bother trying to find an answer to all this when there really isn't answer . There isn't any right or wrong .

The only fact that is valid untill now is the fact Juve were relegated to Serie B did its sentence and now is trying to rebuild itself . Moggi crossed the line a few times and got caught , he then said that soon enough he will give the names of everyone involved and justice will be served . Did he ? Why not ? He makes promises he can't keep .

 

[Miss Dangerous*]

What exactly was Collina meant to do when Perugia played Juventus? There was not a chance in hell that he could postpone the game as it would have caused an extreme uproar for us to play at a later time already knowing what Lazio had done.

It was an act of nature and it is not as if he gave debatable decisions, Perugia were playing under similar circumstances

When Juventus played Siena and go 3-0 up in 8 minutes and then you realise a large percentage of Siena players are ither owned by Juventus or agents of Moggi's son, it does raise a few eyebrows.

Do you think Moggi is innocent? If he is not what would you say he is guilty of?

Collina should have postpone the game, `cause the rules said that. (Rules are Rules, remember?!) no matter how Lazio-fans will react! and when it comes to Perugia, yeah.. they were playing under the same weather but not under the same circumstances. we were playing for the tittle (it`s a lot of pressure) especially when were waiting around 45 minutes in the half-time to see what Collina will decied. Juve-players were waiting while watching Lazio winning! (I know that this is not a real exuse to lose a match) but the game shouldn`t have to be played on that (Pool) :boxing:

 

[JuveAdam]

Collina should have postpone the game, `cause the rules said that. (Rules are Rules, remember?!)

we were playing for the tittle (it`s a lot of pressure) especially when were waiting around 45 minutes in the half-time to see what Collina will decied. Juve-players were waiting while watching Lazio winning! (I know that this is not a real exuse to lose a match) but the game shouldn`t have to be played on that (Pool) :boxing:

100%

 

[Miss Dangerous*]

100%

Thanks! :excited:

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

(a week after Don Bes gets the lifetime ban)

"Don Bes was my friend and I never new he was an Intertista.....I never saw it coming"

i read this yesterday but i guess i was too fucking tired to understand it

 

[Miss Dangerous*]

i read this yesterday but i guess i was too fucking tired to understand it

Stop making fun of people! :cool2:

 

[gsol]

"If I was illiterate we would not be having this conversation because i would have absolutely no idea what you have written and in fact I would not be in this forum whatsoever."

- That's why I asked, doesn't seem like you grasped much.

"Stop being so frustrated, I am not a sheep and you cannot just say stuff and expect me to believe it."

- You do believe it. You just like arguing and see proving me wrong as a personal challenge. Good luck. Remember the sentences confirm what I say...not what you say.

"The same way those anti-juve cannot just make up stuff and expect me to believe it either."

- What did I make up? Did I write the sentences or create the judge declarations which are in La Repubblica and La Stampa?




"You even have the temerity to ask if every time I am hit whether i bleed, I will bleed if someone wearing football boots kicks me in the face"

Did Maldini bleed when a Korean attacker smoked him in the head in the world cup '02? Way to discredit yourself.

"Italy against France 2000, where the hell did the referee get 4 minutes from?"

- Finally someone else noticd that!






"What exactly was Collina meant to do when Perugia played Juventus? There was not a chance in hell that he could postpone the game as it would have caused an extreme uproar for us to play at a later time already knowing what Lazio had done."

- The uproar happened anyway because the teams were forced to play in terrible conditions. If it was the 3rdr matchday it would have ben postponed. The same rule should have applied.


"When Juventus played Siena and go 3-0 up in 8 minutes and then you realise a large percentage of Siena players are ither owned by Juventus or agents of Moggi's son, it does raise a few eyebrows."

- 'll answer this later I promise. I don't have time this second but know that there is a lot you don't know about GEA.

"Do you think Moggi is innocent? If he is not what would you say he is guilty of?"

No...bottom line if he was, after the doping, accounting and calciopoli trials at least 1 illegal act would have been confirmed. He's one of the most investigated figures in soccer and came out clean every time. They just convicted him in Calciopoli without evidence and the judges admitted to that. If anyone still thinks I made that up I'll re-post the declarations from Judge Mario Serio and Piero Sandulli.

 

[David01]

Something I don't understand is why some people can't accept that there is actually no 100% true answer here . I believe Moggi is guilty , I also believe the Calciopoli is corrupt . It's not a "yes" or "no" answer . Moggi is guilty , there is no doubt about it , he may be less guilty than he seems , maybe , but still guilty .
He has even admitted it himself yet some people still come out and say that he's as innocent as a newborn baby .

there may have been more dirty hands than Moggi in this whole thing but Moggi did wrong and we paid for it , end of story . Untill the others who were involved are caught and pay for what they have done , I could care less about this whole thing . No matter how much you study and try to comprehend what happened in the calciopoli , you will never have a final conclusive answer . Too many question marks here . That's why there isn't one certain answer . There is no point trying to prove Moggi is innocent/guilty when there are this many uncertainties .

No one knows for how long this system has been corrupt , no one knows if this system is even more corrupt than it was before . I don't know why people even bother trying to find an answer to all this when there really isn't answer . There isn't any right or wrong .

The only fact that is valid untill now is the fact Juve were relegated to Serie B did its sentence and now is trying to rebuild itself . Moggi crossed the line a few times and got caught , he then said that soon enough he will give the names of everyone involved and justice will be served . Did he ? Why not ? He makes promises he can't keep .

totally agree, we don't know all the facts and we will probably never know them. I just hope that we have served our time and that the punishment is over. I can understand that refs easily give fouls against us. I guess it is human because they want to distance themselves from any scandal but ofcourse as a Juve fan I fucking hate it. Don't give us non-excisting spot-kicks but don't whistle them against us either.

 

[gsol]

"He asked for the ref by name, as he did a number of times. As I keep saying, no there is nothing illegal, its unsporting & against the spirit of competition. That why we were tried & punished by a sporting court. Your point about Facchetti goes to exactly what I said here"

thank you...you are right. Unsportsmanlike conduct did occur. We all know that and I don't deny it. However there is a difference between unsportsmanlike conduct (article 1 violation) and illicit activity (article 6 violation)

Article 6 constitutes bannings and relegation (for match fixing)

Article 1 constitutes point deductions. Former FIGC Judges and current ones (namely Ruperto) stated that a 3-5 point deduction for Juventus would have been just. My point is that Moggi is innocent of illicit activity and the sentences clarified that when they stated that there were no article 6 violations.

 

[gsol]

Denco when you list all the stupid calls by refs you are helping me prove my point. It happens everywhere to everyone. Why is it only a system for Juve?

 

[gsol]

"gsol I must say I admire the fact that you stand still in this argument. for that.

And are you still planning to write a book? Good luck with that, it will be a hell of work, I fear; providing that every fact you mention should be backed by exact sources if you want some credibility.

And you're mentioning a law suit that giu le mani della juve intended before the European Court of Commerce:
1- It's European Court of Justice, no?
2- Could you give us some details about it?"

Thanks man, I have exact sources and would site everything. Giu Le Mani is appealing in The European Court of Commerce because teh appeal came from Juve's shareholders. The details can be found at giulemanidallajuve.com where an english forum now exists

 

[gsol]

Moggi is guilty , there is no doubt about it , he may be less guilty than he seems , maybe , but still guilty ."

- You must know more than the judges then because they disagreed with you. Elaborate...what was he guilty of?

"He has even admitted it himself yet some people still come out and say that he's as innocent as a newborn baby."

- Actually he has denied it and is appealing. It wouldn't be logical to admit guilt and then appeal now would it.

 

[David01]

I think most of us miss the 'good' old days when we were ruling the league.
wether it was with cheap tricks or not is besides the point for some of us fans but in the long run crime doesn't pay and now we are still paying the price as the referees still seem biased. I for one miss Ibra and all the other champions, I hope he has an off-day
if we lose we can kiss the scudetto goodbye
we are on the right track and I'm sure we will get back at our throne one day
Moggi took a shortcut, I don't miss him I think people only miss the success he brought us. but knowing how he did it gives me a dirty taste in my mouth
we can debate forever if he was the only guilty party and how guilty he was but the man is guilty
it is time to turn that page and start a new one