Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (43 Viewers)

[Alen]

Imagine a world where accusations are enough to get you jailed.

The Roman world during Sulla as the dictator, some communist countries post world war II. Hey, some of us lived in such world, we don't have to imagine it


Gsol ( btw, thanks again for the job you're doing), as Juventini we're ready to give a limb for the world to learn the whole truth and our name to be cleared (in case if the truth is what you're telling us it is).
But how do you rate the chances Italy as a country and people who run the Italian football to allow this to happen ? Are they ready for another scandal and another kick at the Italian football ?
If it's proven that we were sentenced while being innocent and if new investigations are opened, the consequences for Italian football may be much bigger than Calciopoli itself. Another exodus of Italian players, much lower interest for serie A out of Italy, UEFA banning Italian teams etc.
Do you think people in Italy are ready and willing to open Pandora's box ?

 

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[Mark]

I'd love to see those articles in French if you can find them. Thanks!

 

[.zero]

in all honesty i think you're cause here is fruitless. the majority of us on this forum are juventus fans and would like to prove that your findings are true alongside with you. but the reality is that whats done has been done. i would love to see what FIGC would do if a true appeal was brought upon them but i dont think thats happening. good effort in investigating and researching int:

 

[gsol]

You guys are all right. The FIGC would likely hesitate to admit what happened but the appeals that are going on have nothing to do with the FIGC. It has now gone well above them. Moggi's appeal is in the Civil Courts of Italy which have jurisdiction over the FIGC and the Juventus appeal (brought to the courts by Giu Le Mani Dalla Juve) have gone beyond Italy. It is in the European Court of Commerce. What is decided there cannot be contested by the FIGC even if they are hesitant to accept it.

As far as the articles that people have translated...let me do some digging. I have links to teh most recent but I'd have to go through a few french forums to track the ones that were translated. My french is very poor by now so give me some time.

 

[denco]

I have actually gone back to read some of your earlier posts and I must say they are way too one-sided andnot at all objective.

You have gone out of your way to discredit anybosy that you feel has harmed Juventus and most of your so called evidence are just your interpreations of events and your own judgements.


Let me start with your Milan rant, you state that Milan's transgressions are hardly highlighted because they own Europe when it comes to Tv (well that is how you come across when you included Cl in your posts)

You said Inzaghi was allowed to score with his hand in Cl final and I am assuming that you meant last final aaginst Livepool when Pirlo's freekick hit Inzaghi when Inzaghi was running towards Liverpool's goal

You claimed Milan were allowed to get away with Dida coming out of the his goal line against us in the 2002 final.

Selective memory, of course, you forgot to add to readers that Buffon was doing the same thing, it was just our pks were worse.

You also forgot to mention that at that time staying on your line was not paramount and that Uefa/Fifa directed after that game that goal keepers should stay on their line when facing penalties.

Post by Vimto actually said Milan were behind Nedved getting a 2nd yellow card so he would miss the final (incredible)

I see you say Milan control everything in Italy but they have only 1 the scudetto once in 5 years, they get decisions go against them time and time again.

You also forgot to mention to our good readers that Sheva's goal against Barcelona should not have been disallowed in the Nou Camp because there was nothing wrong with it.

The season they won the league they were the best in the land and noone should dispute that, I don't know why you are bringing up 1 episode, an alleged handball decision against Roma

As fas as Paparesta and Moggi are concerned I found this little number on wikipedia, the translation is literal and at times does not make sense but you get the gist as its regards sim card
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.lastampa.it/sport/cmsSezioni/scandalocalcio/200704articoli/7617girata.asp&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=9&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpaparesta%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

Moving swiftly to another of your pet peeves, Collina, in England and other countries he was regarded as the best referee in the world and not in Italy where he is not liked so I don't see why you were ranting about who made him the best or whatever as noone in Italy did.

The season he was meant to have cost Juve the title, Lazio were the best team in the land if we are being honest but you said he cost us the title by awarding Inter a dubious equaliser , you even had evidence with youtube to bear you out

How about Juve vs Parma that same season. Dp pulled back Fabio Cannavaro to score his only outfield goal that season and Cannavaro had his goal chalked off for absolutely no reason whatsoever but of cos you neglected to add that part.

Let us assume that you are right and Milan got just 8 points deducted because they had this enormous power why did Fiorentina get back to serieA when they were relegated alongside reggina and Lazio with us. Did their Film producer owner threaten not to do any more porn movies? (okay bad joke)

Only people that love to hear about conspiracies and never want to look at the other side of a coin will buy into what you are selling.

Berlusconi has always had mediaset so how come Milan have come 11th in the league with all his power and there was a period for about 3 years that they were really struggling and not qualifying for Europe, why didn't he do something about it if we are to believe every conspiracy that comes out of you?

Going over the phonecalls you allege that it is easy to manipulate the calls to implicate Moggi as demonstrated on the program you posted on youtube but you or vimto used this same phonecall to implicate Facchetti. Now if Moggi can be maipulated using his voice, can't the same thing happen to Facchetti?

You totally discredit whats written in Gazetta but you credit something written by a pro juve paper in Tutto sport?

If you are gonna be objective you have to totally disregard anything written by the press and go by what you know not just disregard one because they are pro Inter and anti Juve but believe the 1 thats pro Juventus

 

[Mark]

As far as the articles that people have translated...let me do some digging. I have links to teh most recent but I'd have to go through a few french forums to track the ones that were translated. My french is very poor by now so give me some time.

 

[Cronios]

No need to attack gsol, his original purpose was to help people, understand more things about calciopoli, just by bringing in more facts! Facts that, most of the ppl ignore, or werent able to find, either because of the language/distance issue, lack of interest, because some of these facts remained hidden by now, etc etc...
You dont have to adapt and embrace every piece of info gsol brings
and it doesnt mean that he accepts every single piece of it himself,
but he feels that he has the duty to report everything he has, so we can have a more complete and objective opinion,
i see him forced to defend ideas that he hasnt share, just because he has to defend the facts and his work/efforts.
You may deny some facts, but that doesnt mean, his whole theory is misleading, just because some of the facts dont suit you.

In many cases gsol express/share my personal thoughts and perspective on the matter, i respect his efforts and his views, so i gave him a chance and red his posts/facts carefully... there are a few things that surprised me and make my doubt about his theory, as a whole, esp the Evil Agnelli part.
I herd about that before, but i really doubt that smth like that its true, my tendency to disagree with that, doesnt have to disapprove the whole gsol's theory though...

As a medic, i had the chance to glimpse some personal info and an inside opinion/awareness of the facts,about some individuals, most of their very own ppl ignore...
I have learned that, the truth has many faces and colors, some times two entirely different views may be both right/fair/true...

In this certain case for example, there is a possibility that the inside Agnelli "stab in the back" was a "fortunate" coincidence, or smth that appeared after some favorable conditions presented,
the Elkann side wouldnt hurt Juve, just to get rid off the "triad", but they would try to take advantage of a coming situation and a new balance retribution.
Maybe the situation was inevitable leading here and they have chosen the lesser, but inevitable disaster...

Berlusca wouldnt risk of, the image of his own self and club,but he was forced too and then, he did anything necessary to escape with the less possible damage.

Moratti couldnt have make it all alone, he waited many years, for such a chance, to suddenly appear...
He wasnt probably capable of pulling this offf, by himself...

All these theories do not contradict each other...

But the fact remains, that it was, in everybody's best interest to bring down/harm Juve. It was a collective effort, the balance inclined in the other side many time ago, it was just a matter of time.
Right after some certain events that took place, everybody picked up a side
and tried to gain as much possible, out of this case.
Moggi was left alone, he realised that and he had to quit immediately,
Juve was helpless, the fans could do nothing about it, the choice was already made, the verdicts have already been decided, long before the fans heard anything about it, just look at the presentation of Calciopoli, isnt that obvious?

 

[JuveAdam]

I've argued everything that has been asked of me

Still cant find the rely to this anywhere gsol.

I have defended you a few times in this (& countless other threads) but more & more you talk down to people who deserve better. Maybe if you'd been on here years, you wouldnt get shot at so often. Maybe if you put the same effort into all your posts. But it seems to me you argue points you want to, the rest you just put things like "well your not a true fan" or similar. Bes (& plenty of others) have been here long enough for his opinion to be respected gsol, no matter who has superior knowledge of calciopoli or anything else, & it should be always this way, not someone with less than 200 posts (or even less than 700 like me) telling them they dont know shit & aren't proper fans. I have a 4 year old son who obv cant understand a thing about Calciopoli, but he's still a true biaconeri, no matter what you or anyone else says. I do speak fluent Italian, I am Italian & I do take an interest in calciopoli. To paraphrase your good self, what pisses me off is people who start posting like experts once we're back in A, saying its all a big conspiracy. While some of this is valid, Rossi's role for example, you just seem hell bent on going too far, when the evidence proves that Moggi did solicit favours from refs. No it wasn't to the point of bribery, no it wasnt match fixing, it was favours, mafia style favours. We got caught with our pants down. Yes other clubs did too, & yes we were punished too harshly while others walked away pretty free. Yes some of this was down to Berlusconi's media control. Please gsol, just look at somethings you post, & if you cant get along & show respect to some people, I have to wonder why you would continue to post in these forums yourself when we all are so un-educated?

 

[gsol]

"I have actually gone back to read some of your earlier posts and I must say they are way too one-sided andnot at all objective."

- the case itself was one-sided. Anything realistic that I write will be one-sided too as a result.

"You have gone out of your way to discredit anybosy that you feel has harmed Juventus and most of your so called evidence are just your interpreations of events and your own judgements."

WRONG!!!! It's not an interpretation. When I translate a phone call it's word for word. When I translate excerpts from the sentences or judge declarations they are word for word. Statistics as well aren't interpreted numbers...they are NUMBERS!

"Let me start with your Milan rant, you state that Milan's transgressions are hardly highlighted because they own Europe when it comes to Tv (well that is how you come across when you included Cl in your posts). You said Inzaghi was allowed to score with his hand in Cl final and I am assuming that you meant last final aaginst Livepool when Pirlo's freekick hit Inzaghi when Inzaghi was running towards Liverpool's goal. You claimed Milan were allowed to get away with Dida coming out of the his goal line against us in the 2002 final. Selective memory, of course, you forgot to add to readers that Buffon was doing the same thing, it was just our pks were worse."

I'm not even responding to that. I'm just going to post a video in the hopes that you bither to click on it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gxY6g0vaNTE


"You also forgot to mention that at that time staying on your line was not paramount and that Uefa/Fifa directed after that game that goal keepers should stay on their line when facing penalties."

It's been a FIFA rule since before World Cup 2002 in Korea/Japan which is why nations like Italy and Spain were questioning FIFA as to why the Korean goalie was allowed to stop those penalty shots while running toward the shooter.

"I see you say Milan control everything in Italy but they have only 1 the scudetto once in 5 years, they get decisions go against them time and time again."

I don't claim they control it...I stated how they control a lot of it and through who. They won 1 in 5 years and calls went against them but how many calls favored them? Later I will post examples. How many times in the last 5 years were they out of CL contention? Having influence doesn't necessarily guarantee a title does it? You still need to win on the field but they couldn't. Don't dispute this. It's not up for debate. Ex-Milan President Carraro was President of FIGC, Galliani was President of the League, Berlusconi was Prime Minister of the Nation and owns Mediaset which sells TV Rights to all Italian teams. End of discussion.

"You also forgot to mention to our good readers that Sheva's goal against Barcelona should not have been disallowed in the Nou Camp because there was nothing wrong with it."

Congratulations. We'll go shot for shot and see who runs out of examples first. I hate it when people name an incident in a game where a ref screwed up and they think it proves something. One isolated incident means dick and you know it. Try to find a trend. Then you'll have an argument. Calls go for and against every team in the world. You can find one example for anything you want. Try finding many. I have but won't list them now, but promise that I will.

"The season they won the league they were the best in the land and noone should dispute that, I don't know why you are bringing up 1 episode, an alleged handball decision against Roma"

One episode? That year set the record according to Adiconsum for most referee errors in Seria A history (beaten only last year. Plug this through your translator http://www.sportnews.it/articoli/20...mpionato_uno_studio_le_ha_contate_1398365.php.

Paparesta...I already posted a lot on the SIM card issue and the evidence that the calls came from a computer. I'm not adding to it. Remember, there are no recorded conversations and a technician went on TV in Italy and showed the world how to manipulate phone tables. I posted the videos. It is the subject of appeal and every implicated person thus far has denied ever recieving a SIM Card or phone call from oggi. If those tables were at all credible Paparesta wouldn't even be a ref right now. Think about it.

"Moving swiftly to another of your pet peeves, Collina, in England and other countries he was regarded as the best referee in the world and not in Italy where he is not liked so I don't see why you were ranting about who made him the best or whatever as noone in Italy did."

Why was he the best referee? Because the Italian papers and TV ranked him that way. In the list I'll post later you'll see plenty of Ciollina blunders and if you go to oddiocollina.com (I hate Collina) you'll see plenty more. He was being pushed by those interested in having him become a referee designer (hence his secret meeting with Meani and Galliani of Milan which I have the phone tap for).

"The season he was meant to have cost Juve the title, Lazio were the best team in the land if we are being honest but you said he cost us the title by awarding Inter a dubious equaliser , you even had evidence with youtube to bear you out"

They were the best by far which is why they won that year by 1 whole point right? There were dubious calls left right and center that year. In the end it didn't cost them though did it. It cost us.

"Let us assume that you are right and Milan got just 8 points deducted because they had this enormous power why did Fiorentina get back to serieA when they were relegated alongside reggina and Lazio with us. Did their Film producer owner threaten not to do any more porn movies?"

Finally a decent question.

Lazio could not absolutely remain in B. Capitalia (a HUGE investor in Serie A) has 43% of Lazio and Roma's shares and therefore they needed to be saved. Keeping Fiorentina in Serie B would have been just as bad because if they would have remained Lazio would have had to follow. See everyone thinks it has to do with Lecce-Parma (game that saved the Viola). Read the documents. That's one accusation but it was against referee De Santis and not Fiorentina. Fiorentina were caught on the phone with Lazio's Lotito trying to fix an upcoming game. Lotito refused but committed an "illicit" act by not informing the FIGC of Fiorentina's Della Vale's proposal. To acknowledge one they would have had to acknowledge the other. Either both in B or both in A. Lazio needed to be saved though. It obviously wasn't for Fiorentina's sake since they had been relegated for similar shit not to long ago.


"Only people that love to hear about conspiracies and never want to look at the other side of a coin will buy into what you are selling."

That's funny...bigger people than you have already taken it to bigger places than Juventuz. Keep thinking you know everything.

"Berlusconi has always had mediaset so how come Milan have come 11th in the league with all his power and there was a period for about 3 years that they were really struggling and not qualifying for Europe, why didn't he do something about it if we are to believe every conspiracy that comes out of you?"

Just think...in all those seasons the team had negative figures in their income statements and was supposed to be in Serie A yet they are still there. You think that by having power they have to necessarily win? The team should have spent the last 7 years in Serioe B according to prosecutors who are going through trial right now yet they have always been in Serie A and the CL.

"Going over the phonecalls you allege that it is easy to manipulate the calls to implicate Moggi as demonstrated on the program you posted on youtube but you or vimto used this same phonecall to implicate Facchetti. Now if Moggi can be maipulated using his voice, can't the same thing happen to Facchetti?"

Beside the point...his calls were totally burried and never investigated. That raises totally different questions. In addition referees and designers confessed to receiving countless calls and dining with Facchetti. Yet Inter were never dragged through the mud.

"You totally discredit whats written in Gazetta but you credit something written by a pro juve paper in Tutto sport?"

Look at the articles I post. They cite La Repubblica and La Stampa.

If you are gonna be objective you have to look at facts.

 

[gsol]

Still cant find the rely to this anywhere gsol.

What's the question? This is a guy telling me I'm an asshole. I really need to respond?

 

[gsol]

Some people have decided to contest FIAT's involvement and that's fine. I have posted the facts and everyone is entitled to draw their own conclusions. The financial ties between FIAT and Telecom Italia and the Gazzetta are clear as day and are actually more evident now than before. The people who took over Juventus are all former FIAT directors (coincidence?) and the public recognition from Giovanni Melandri (FIGC Sports Minister) to Montezemolo is a fact (not worth contesting because it was a public statement. If people still choose to not believe it I am over it. Some people will only ever believe the superficial truth. Those interested in the more in depth truth have access to it through me and many others that are fighting for Juventus. In the end believe what you want.

 

[denco]

Some people have decided to contest FIAT's involvement and that's fine. I have posted the facts and everyone is entitled to draw their own conclusions. The financial ties between FIAT and Telecom Italia and the Gazzetta are clear as day and are actually more evident now than before. The people who took over Juventus are all former FIAT directors (coincidence?) and the public recognition from Giovanni Melandri (FIGC Sports Minister) to Montezemolo is a fact (not worth contesting because it was a public statement. If people still choose to not believe it I am over it. Some people will only ever believe the superficial truth. Those interested in the more in depth truth have access to it through me and many others that are fighting for Juventus. In the end believe what you want.

Did you say bigger people than me have gone to bigger places than Juventuz?

There is no call for that at all because I could question your motives. If this place aint big enough or I am not big enough what the hell are you doing here?

But to the matter at hand, why did you post the youtube video of the penalty shootout as it did nto vindicate you at all?

Look at Buffon before Seedorf, Serginho. Kaladzeand Nesta took their penalties, he was not on his line, neither was DIda but turnabout is fairplay.

Dp showed how to take a penalty when a goal keeper commits himself like Dida was doing, you just place the ball the other way but Montero in particular played to a Dida that had already committed.

I dont remember Italy and Spain moaning about South Korean penalties, I remember Italyu being beaten 2-1 and blaming Moreno the referee for sending off Totti and disallowing Tomassi's goal and Spain moaning about dissallowed goals when Joachim crossed the ball for a goal but the linesman said the ball had gone out of play when it hadn't.

I do not recall complaints about penalties.

If these are some minor examples of you twisting the truth or putting suff in ways that bear out what you are saying then I fear for the other stuff you have been talking about

Anywas do all of us a favour and post ducuments that were not written or interpreted by you or any of your cronies.

I beg you to send us links of these facts you keep talking about and in Italian please so I can get someone to interpret for me if possible

You have done a lot of research on this matter so it should be easy for ya to point us in the right direction.

Links only please and it should not be from goal.com

 

[mcrae]

Regarding the penalty kicks in the c.l final..In most of them Dida and Bufon took a little step forward before trying to save it..that's normal i guess..but when Montero took the penalty Dida was closer to the box line than his goalpost for fooks sake..that save was defiitely illega and the kick should be retaken

 

[gsol]

“Look at Buffon before Seedorf, Serginho. Kaladzeand Nesta took their penalties, he was not on his line, neither was DIda but turnabout is fairplay.”
Learn the rules. You are not aloud to move forward once the runner has initiated movement. No one expects the goalie to stay on his line. His position can be slightly forward. He may NOT run towards the shooter. Dida did with Montero.
“I dont remember Italy and Spain moaning about South Korean penalties, I remember Italyu being beaten 2-1 and blaming Moreno the referee for sending off Totti and disallowing Tomassi's goal and Spain moaning about dissallowed goals when Joachim crossed the ball for a goal but the linesman said the ball had gone out of play when it hadn't.”
They filed official complaints to the FIFA. Among the complaints were the penalties against Spain. You not recalling it doesn’t change their existence.
You made demands that I post official documents…
a) Who the fuck are you? I owe you shit. I post because facts are important to me, not because you are so important that I must convince you
b) I posted that stuff plenty of times. If you are too dense to find it I guess I’ll have to repeat myself
c) If you think the FIGC are my cronies then you shouldn’t be here. Do some research of your own.
I will post one link just to show you up and prove that the FIGC judges wrote that no match fixing occurs. This sentence is a mass of contradictions;
- Moggi controlled the refs but there was no Moggi system
- Moggi influenced the standings but no games were fixed
- Moggi controlled referee selections but the referee selections were done in accordance with the rules of the FIGC.
I even posted the page numbers where you could find this stuff but I’m sick of repeating myself for people like you. Just for the record. My intention here was to post all the pdf files I have downloaded from the federal courts and all the mp3s of the phone calls but I can’t do it on this forum. I’ve emailed them to all that have asked and so far I’ve only been thanked.
http://www.figc.it/italiano/comunic...ati_stampa_caf_2006/com_stampa_caf_luglio.htm
Click on the 3rd one down.
Lastly you have asked me numerous stupid questions. By stupid I mean questions that could easily be redirected at you. You asked “if Milan controlled everything then why did they only win 1 scudetto in 5 years (not true by the way since they won a Coppa, a Supercoppa, always qualified for the CL and most of all avoided relegation in the scandal).
Now I ask you. If Moggi controlled everything, how did Milan (multiple), Lazio, and Roma win league titles with Juventus actually going as low as 6th in 1999 while Milan triumphed? How did they lose the Coppa Final to Lazio in ’04 or the Supercoppa Finals in ’98 to Lazio and ’05 to Inter?

 

[Alen]

Denco, look at when will Dida come out of his goal-line and when will Buffon do that.
Dida does it long before the shoot is taken and Gigi does it after or at the same time Milan players kick the ball.
Watch Dida against Montero and watch Gigi against Milan players.

This has nothing to do with fixing the final and i'm with Denco on this. I don't think the ref gave an unfair advantage to Milan on purpose. But it's a fact that he simply HAD to repeat Montero's penalty.

@ gsol : But it's also a fact that Dudek did this same thing against Milan in cl final 2005.

And one more thing i agree with gsol this time. Milan were certainly not victims and the ratio of decisions in their favour versus decisions against them is probably 10:1. Not as much in CL, but in serie A they were the most favoured team

 

[gsol]

Since everyone tries to sound like an expert by listing 1 incident where a referee error benefits Juve and then thinks that that incident proves crooked officiating I drew up a few examples of the opposite. Often I hear people say that such and such a team never benefit from errors. So here you go.

This isn’t an attempt to say that other teams are cheating or that Juventus were not. It merely points out the fact that every team everywhere at some point gets lucky and at other points will get screwed over. It’s the nature of the game.
The media often liked to make spectacles o the calls that favored Juve…less so for the following:

-1998 Ronaldo rightfully not awarded a penalty and West wrongfully not handed a red card for kicking Del Piero in the face

-2000 collina hands Lazio the Scudetto at Juventus’ expense in Peruggia

-2001 Roma win scuetto at Juve’s expense on last day of the league and admit to buying 40,000 euro rolex watches to all referees and designers

-2002 Inter score a tying goal on Juve after a 3 man pile up on Buffon prevents him from making the stop and Collina allowed it -2003 Dida comes off his line to stop Montero’s penalty in the CL final

-2003 Milan awarded a scandalous penalty by Collina in the Supercup -2004 sets the record for worst year in referee history according to ADICONSUM while Milan win the Scudetto

- 2004 Lazio have a legit goal called back against Milan (Corradi)

-2004 Nesta handball goes ignored inside the box against Bologna


-2004 two red card offenses by Lazio go ignored against Juve in the Coppa final while Juve were leading 2-0, Lazio tie game and win on aggregate

-2005 Inter score two handball goals in Coppa Italia semi-final against Cagliari and goalie Carini catches the ball outside the 18 and is handed a yellow instead of red card

-2005 Aimo Diana scores offside goal against Juventus which stood

-2005 Reggina beat Juve after a wrongfully disallowed goal and denied penalty

-2005 Trezeguet scores onside goal which gets called back wrongfully awarding Inter the Supercup

-2005 Materazzi commits red card offence on Ibra that gets ignored

-2005 Inzaghi punches Thuram in the back of the head and no card is given

-2005 Materazzi headbutted by Sheva in CL quarter final and no red card is given

-2006 Samuel commits red card foul again on Ibra which also gets ignored

- Liverpool eliminate Juventus after onside Del Piero goal gets called back

- Inter set the record for longest run without conceding a penalty (91 games)

- Evidence of Milan fixing 1988 scudetto through the Camora gets archived at the request of then Prime Minister Berlusconi

- Kallon (Inter) tests positive for steroids

- Borriello (Milan) tests positive for steroids - Seedorf, Pancaro, and Gattuso refuse drug testing

- Totti fails to appear for drug test - Udinese eliminated from coppa Italia after roma score an offside goal in 2005

- Milan given 7 minutes against Lecce to earn a draw in 2005

- in 2006 Udinese again eliminated from Coppa Italia after offside Inter goal

- Galliani meets secretly with Collina in 200 at Leonardo Meani’s closed restaurant…Calciopoli judges ignore it

- Leonardo Meani of Milan threatens to crack Linesmen Coppelli’s head open if he doesen’t learn to keep his flag down, judges ignore the call

- Calciopoli sentences read that no match fixing ever occurred yet Juve are sent to serie b to appease public demand according to judges

- fictitious accounting keeps Roma, Lazio, Milan, Inter, Parma, and many others in Serie A and the investigation is archived

- Cufre slaps Del Piero in front of the referee…no card issued

- Iaquinta scores a goal which is legitimate and defended by Collina

- Iaquinta scores a goal against Udinese that is wrongfully called back

- Nocerino and Chiellini both have penalty claims denied

- 3 penalties are wrongfully called against Juve in Cagliari…only one is called back

- Nedved handed red card for elbowing Genoa player…replay shows no elbow contact, Ranieri also ejected for protests earlier in the game

- two invented penalties cost Juve a match in Napoli - questionable penalty called
against Juve against fiorentina in serie A

- questionable penalty called against parma called in coppa italia

- 2007 breaks 2004 record for worst officiated season according to ADICONSUM, won by Inter - Juve deemed most penalized team in serie b according to ADICONSUM

- Juve found not guilty of doping…TWICE! -1922 Inter come in dead last in the Scudetto and the FIGC Relegates 3rd last Venezia and saves Inter -Inter field illegal alien with phony papers (Recoba) for an entire season and are handed a fine rather than the mandatory 3-0 loss per game played (29 in total) that would have meant relegation

- Juve face more penalties than any other team as of the 9th day of serie a in 2007

I already know the immediate response. “Why don’t you make a list of all the calls that favor Juve now? I bet it’s twice as long.”

I could...and it isn’t. Granted there are plenty and I’m sure I could list more than most anti-juventini. It’s more balanced than you guys think. It always has been. Remember that if the ADICONSUM Statistical Analysts stated that all of Juve’s recent titles (90’s on) were legit it’s because there was a balance between the calls that went against them and those that went in their favor, as is the case for the other clubs.

 

[gsol]

This has nothing to do with fixing the final and i'm with Denco on this. I don't think the ref gave an unfair advantage to Milan on purpose. But it's a fact that he simply HAD to repeat Montero's penalty.

@ gsol : But it's also a fact that Dudek did this same thing against Milan in cl final 2005.

Well said. All I ever wanted to prove was that mistakes happen for and to everyone incluing Milan. They screwed and got screwed by the same thing. Ref mistakes always seem to come up when someone wants to prove someone was cheating. By that ote anyone could make that argument about any team because everyone benefits eventually.

Milan's control ran deeper. One incident is nothing but avoiding relegation when your "Director of Referee Relations" (not sure why they were allowed to have one) gets caught physially threatening a linesmen is beyond me.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

2001 Roma win scuetto at Juve’s expense on last day of the league and admit to buying 40,000 euro rolex watches to all referees and designers



roma beat us (or tied us for that matter). remember a certain nakata who camo into the game and made van der sar shit on his pants

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

1998 Ronaldo rightfully not awarded a penalty


if this is the iuliano incident, tell me why it wasn't a penalty?

 

[gsol]

1998 Ronaldo rightfully not awarded a penalty


if this is the iuliano incident, tell me why it wasn't a penalty?

According to FIFA rules two players running into each other inside the 18 does not constitute interference or foul.

Had Iuliano come in from the side or behind then Inter's claim would have been right. The two ran into each other chest to chest. It was a correct call that Inter and specifically Moratti made into a huge case. Needless to say Juve finished 5 points clear of Inter so with or without that penalty Inter would have lost the title to Juventus. In addition Juve could have contested the fact that West was not handed a red card after kicking Del Piero in the face and no Inter players were expelled or even booked for invading the field (coach included) and pushing the referee.

I know this analysis is in Italian but it explains the case well.

http://www.livevideo.com/video/931D...prima-moviola-su-t9-caso-ronaldo-juliano.aspx

When I say Roma won at Juve's expense its because Juve was in 2nd and the watch scandal went uninvestigated. Admit it, had Moggi admitted to 40,000 euro gifts to referees and designers the public would have lost its mind.