Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (47 Viewers)

[Tanu_Mz]

From "around the peninsula"

Sadly, like the “great” Inter side of the 2000’s, Il Grande Inter’s legacy has been tainted by controversy. British newspaper The Times reported in 2003 that then-president Angelo Moratti had Hungarian referee Gyorgy Vadas in 1965 in an attempt to fix a European Cup tie with Malaga.

It was also suggested that Inter had made similar attempts at European Cup match-fixing during both of the previous seasons. Brian Glanville stated that Il Grande Inter’s success was “the fruit of bribery and corruption in which Angelo Moratti played a crucial part in a process implemented by two men also now dead: Deszo Szolti, the Hungarian fixer, and the serpentine Italo Allodi (Inter’s sporting director).”

There’s no doubt that this was an excellent side but their legacy has been severely tainted by these allegations. As if match-fixing wasn’t bad enough, ex-player Ferruccio Mazzola alleged that the use of illegal performance-enhancing drugs was rife at Inter in the 1960’s. Chairman Massimo Moratti and president Facchetti (among those implicated by Mazzola) immediately sued.

Mazzola won the case in 2010, and it’s very telling that Inter decided against appealing. I’m no lawyer, but this suggests guilt to me. It’s probably no coincidence that these allegations rose under the ownership of Angelo Morrati and that Inter’s next big scandal (Calciopoli) came about under Angelo’s son’s (Massimo) stewardship.

 

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[Bianconero_Aus]

they also cheated in Europe (the ref got banned for life), but for unknown reasons, they were never stripped of the cup

"Leeds Utd v AC Milan, 1973:A European Cup Winners' Cup final dominated by strange decisions from Greek referee Christos Michas, Norman Hunter being harshly dismissed and two Leeds penalty appeals turned away. The Greek FA later found Michas guilty of match-fixing in relation to events in the game and he was banned for life by Uefa. "

Roma also bribed (or attempted to bribe) a referee in 1894 in their game against Dundee United,

 

[Tanu_Mz]

I'm asking you cuz you're from Italy and have been following Juve for decades: do you think Juve were completely clean throughout the years?

I still follow football because I believe that mistakes are made in good faith by the refs, I don't have any plot theories in this field.
Did we use too many medicines in the 90's? The answer is yes, but as TAS in Switzerland ruled, at that time that was not doping; Juve players were targeted for controls more then anyone else and nobody got ever found guilty.

About the referees: Moggi was a bit of a jackass, but was doing what all clubs were doing: talking to the referees bosses, which - I should remind - was legitimate. None of the tapped conversations were conclusive of any corruption; infact the crazy thing is that Juve got relegated basically because Moggi bought the famous swiss SIM's. It would be like arresting someone for murder simply for owning a gun.
Some of the other tapped conversations were far more serious and indicative of corruption taking place and being finalized: like Facchetti asking Bergamo to talk to the ref of the Atalanta game asking him to be "nice" to Inter with Inter winning with some controversial decisions; same for the Supercoppa game vs Juventus: De Santis, supposed to be in our pocket, disallows a perfectly good goal by Trezeguet and takes a number of irrational decisions that lead to Inter win. Not to mention the fact that Moratti spent a whole week holiday at Bergamo's holiday home in Forte dei Marmi. Can you imagine that? The President of a Club being hosted by the head of referees? Still, Palazzi decided to take his time and let the 5 years pass so that the case had to me dismissed because of terms having expired (prescrizione).
Or what about Sensi caught with the jam in his hands handing out golden Rolex to the refs?
Or Inter false passports which instead of relegation got the biggest fine in the history of football (1.5 billion lire or 7.5 million Euros)?
Or the change in regulations that allowed Nakata to play against Juve in the crucial game that decided the Scudetto won by Roma against us, thanks to two goals by Nakata?
Or the crazy decision taken by Collina, declared Lazio fan, to let us play in the mud of Perugia to let Lazio win that imphamous Scudetto?
You see, we have benefited from controversial referees decisions, and so have other teams. And this to me it's ok.
The things I listed before were all actions that indicate a criminal activity by the clubs involved.
Do you really think that a team fielding 9 world cup finalists + Nedved and Ibra needed to cheat?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

I still follow football because I believe that mistakes are made in good faith by the refs, I don't have any plot theories in this field.
Did we use too many medicines in the 90's? The answer is yes, but as TAS in Switzerland ruled, at that time that was not doping; Juve players were targeted for controls more then anyone else and nobody got ever found guilty.

About the referees: Moggi was a bit of a jackass, but was doing what all clubs were doing: talking to the referees bosses, which - I should remind - was legitimate. None of the tapped conversations were conclusive of any corruption; infact the crazy thing is that Juve got relegated basically because Moggi bought the famous swiss SIM's. It would be like arresting someone for murder simply for owning a gun.
Some of the other tapped conversations were far more serious and indicative of corruption taking place and being finalized: like Facchetti asking Bergamo to talk to the ref of the Atalanta game asking him to be "nice" to Inter with Inter winning with some controversial decisions; same for the Supercoppa game vs Juventus: De Santis, supposed to be in our pocket, disallows a perfectly good goal by Trezeguet and takes a number of irrational decisions that lead to Inter win. Not to mention the fact that Moratti spent a whole week holiday at Bergamo's holiday home in Forte dei Marmi. Can you imagine that? The President of a Club being hosted by the head of referees? Still, Palazzi decided to take his time and let the 5 years pass so that the case had to me dismissed because of terms having expired (prescrizione).
Or what about Sensi caught with the jam in his hands handing out golden Rolex to the refs?
Or Inter false passports which instead of relegation got the biggest fine in the history of football (1.5 billion lire or 7.5 million Euros)?
Or the change in regulations that allowed Nakata to play against Juve in the crucial game that decided the Scudetto won by Roma against us, thanks to two goals by Nakata?
Or the crazy decision taken by Collina, declared Lazio fan, to let us play in the mud of Perugia to let Lazio win that imphamous Scudetto?
You see, we have benefited from controversial referees decisions, and so have other teams. And this to me it's ok.
The things I listed before were all actions that indicate a criminal activity by the clubs involved.
Do you really think that a team fielding 9 world cup finalists + Nedved and Ibra needed to cheat?

I didn't necessarily mean the Moggi era and Calciopoli, that was a clear farce imo. But the accusations have been there for decades prior. And if cheating and corruption is so rampant among the other top clubs, yet we were the most successful, it wouldn't be so farfetched if we were.

Not that I think we were, but I wondered if you thought there was any basis for the accusations. Thanks for the answer

 

[Tanu_Mz]

I didn't necessarily mean the Moggi era and Calciopoli, that was a clear farce imo. But the accusations have been there for decades prior. And if cheating and corruption is so rampant among the other top clubs, yet we were the most successful, it wouldn't be so farfetched if we were.

Not that I think we were, but I wondered if you thought there was any basis for the accusations. Thanks for the answer

I don't think we got more favours then the likes of Man Utd, Bayer, Barca or Real would get in their own leagues, so I don't think there is anything substantial beyond those accusations. Italians are prone to consipracy theories and also believe on all kind of stupid bullshit you throw at them (apparently over 15 millions of my countrymen regualry visit future tellers, card readers or some kind of magicians).

Just think that for years people claimed we stole a scudetto for a non existing penalty vs Catanzaro in the last game.
Here is the video. We are talking a handball on the goal line that stopped the goal from being scored and the moron who posted the video calls it "rigore regalato" like most people claimed.

 

[Mark]

what about er gol de turone roma fans cry about for years?

He was indeed offise and a guy at RAI admitted he rigged the replay to should he wasn't offiside.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Er go' de Turrone, e bbono!

Fucking morons

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I don't think we got more favours then the likes of Man Utd, Bayer, Barca or Real would get in their own leagues, so I don't think there is anything substantial beyond those accusations. Italians are prone to consipracy theories and also believe on all kind of stupid bullshit you throw at them (apparently over 15 millions of my countrymen regualry visit future tellers, card readers or some kind of magicians).

Just think that for years people claimed we stole a scudetto for a non existing penalty vs Catanzaro in the last game.
Here is the video. We are talking a handball on the goal line that stopped the goal from being scored and the moron who posted the video calls it "rigore regalato" like most people claimed.

absolutely clear handball, that is the famous "robbery" the Romanisti have been crying about for years? LOL

 

[Tanu_Mz]

what about er gol de turone roma fans cry about for years?

He was indeed offise and a guy at RAI admitted he rigged the replay to should he wasn't offiside.

I was at the Stadium that day practically inline with the offside line.
Maybe we had a collective vision, black and white shades, but the stadium complained as one for the offside, we did have the true impression he was offside. After so many years, thay still haven't decided... It was a close and admitedly controversial decision.
What people fail to say about that game though, is what happened before and during the game, Turone's goal aside.
Roberto Bettega, our key player, got disqualified for the game because, a week before Juventus-Roma, a Turin player claimed that Bettega, in a game played two months before :facepalm2: tried to bribe him on the pitch .....
During the game, our captain Furino got red carded for trivial fouls has proved by replay one he didn't even touch the other player.
In the same game Falcao jumped with both feet on Tardelli and instead of a straigth red, didn't even get a YC.
So, if the ref was corrupt, why all the above? And especially, why the Turin player got the urge to get Bettega suspended??!!?

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ps: sorry if I bore you with this archeological stuff!!!

 

[Mark]

et voilà!

bore? more like enlightening.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Love your stories, Tanu_MZ, great addition to this forum

 

[Tanu_Mz]

Love your stories, Tanu_MZ, great addition to this forum

cheers mate, as I get old I seem to remember better those old games at the stadium then the Malmoe game I watched less then a month ago!
it's called alzheimer!

 

[Mark]

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I was at the Stadium that day practically inline with the offside line.
Maybe we had a collective vision, black and white shades, but the stadium complained as one for the offside, we did have the true impression he was offside. After so many years, thay still haven't decided... It was a close and admitedly controversial decision.
What people fail to say about that game though, is what happened before and during the game, Turone's goal aside.
Roberto Bettega, our key player, got disqualified for the game because, a week before Juventus-Roma, a Turin player claimed that Bettega, in a game played two months before :facepalm2: tried to bribe him on the pitch .....
During the game, our captain Furino got red carded for trivial fouls has proved by replay one he didn't even touch the other player.
In the same game Falcao jumped with both feet on Tardelli and instead of a straigth red, didn't even get a YC.
So, if the ref was corrupt, why all the above? And especially, why the Turin player got the urge to get Bettega suspended??!!?

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ps: sorry if I bore you with this archeological stuff!!!

you dont we love your impressive first hand accounts

 

[Tanu_Mz]

Well, as you guys are leading me down memory lane, this was my first game in Turin (I had watched Juve at the San Siro several times):

I was nearly 8 and even though it's nearly 40 years ago, I still get goosebumps. And it's magic to think that my dad took me to Turin back then whilst I took my dad (75 years old) to the JS to watch the Malmoe game last month !

 

[Vlad]

@Tanu_Mz

 

[Fint]

Well, as you guys are leading me down memory lane, this was my first game in Turin (I had watched Juve at the San Siro several times):

I was nearly 8 and even though it's nearly 40 years ago, I still get goosebumps. And it's magic to think that my dad took me to Turin back then whilst I took my dad (75 years old) to the JS to watch the Malmoe game last month !

That is pretty amazing

 

[Hust]

I like this guy.

Sergio, if he ever comes back, has someone closer to his age.


Where is @gsol? :depressed

 

[JuveJay]

I was at the Stadium that day practically inline with the offside line.
Maybe we had a collective vision, black and white shades, but the stadium complained as one for the offside, we did have the true impression he was offside. After so many years, thay still haven't decided... It was a close and admitedly controversial decision.
What people fail to say about that game though, is what happened before and during the game, Turone's goal aside.
Roberto Bettega, our key player, got disqualified for the game because, a week before Juventus-Roma, a Turin player claimed that Bettega, in a game played two months before :facepalm2: tried to bribe him on the pitch .....
During the game, our captain Furino got red carded for trivial fouls has proved by replay one he didn't even touch the other player.
In the same game Falcao jumped with both feet on Tardelli and instead of a straigth red, didn't even get a YC.
So, if the ref was corrupt, why all the above? And especially, why the Turin player got the urge to get Bettega suspended??!!?

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ps: sorry if I bore you with this archeological stuff!!!

I've always thought the Turone goal was good, if you see how deep he runs from on the initial header, but it's actually quite close when you analyse it. In game it's easy to see how he would look well offside there.

Basically I blame religion for all of this.

 

[Hust]

Who is John Galt?

 

[Post Ironic]

Roma was pathetic in 1981. If the ref was in favour of Juve, why on earth did he red-card Furino early in the second half, and give Roma the upper hand, in Turin. And for a weak second yellow too.

The offside was a matter of centimetres, and he was clearly, in every replay from a decent angle that I have seen, offside by several centimetres, which isn't much, but it is something. Roma was given a break with Furino's sending off, and then didn't receive a break on a close offside call. Did they really think they deserved the benefit of all the 50/50 decisions in an away game in Turin? Morons.

It's not our fault, nor the referees fault that they drew Avellino on the last match day. While we managed to beat 3rd place Napoli away, and 4th place Fiorentina. Roma, once more choked the title away, and instead of accepting defeat with class, they show just how pathetic a bunch of losers they have been for their entire irrelevant history. Over on their forums they constantly parade their ignorance by endlessly claiming Juve never has won anything in Europe.

In point of fact. Roma actually has never won a single UEFA trophy. Not one. While Juventus in 4th all time with 11 UEFA trophies won, only behind Madrid, Milan, Barcelona. We were in 3rd until 2011 when Barcelona passed us, and it is likely, if not for Calciopoli, we would still be in 3rd in terms of UEFA trophies won. We are also the only club to ever win every single UEFA trophy possible.

So fuck those who say Juve never wins in Europe. 11 trophies before Calciopoli tore our dominant team apart certainly says otherwise. If they think we wouldn't have won more as players like Zlatan came into their primes, they're deluding themselves.