Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (58 Viewers)

[enzodileto]

I know, I am being a bit wishy-washy.... I should let my real anger out..........

Honestly how did we get here? I feel like I have been living a 'football nightmare' for the past 5 years. Will I wake up soon?

 

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[Hust]

I know, I am being a bit wishy-washy.... I should let my real anger out..........

Honestly how did we get here? I feel like I have been living a 'football nightmare' for the past 5 years. Will I wake up soon?

haha probably not. trust me, i have trouble swallowing the truth pill. I feel like our only way out of this is for Moggi to take it outside of italy and try his luck there in a court with no italians in it. i don't think our club will stand up, though appealing it now about the statute of limitations is a plus...sounds like they are going to start questioning the FIGC and put pressure on them.

 

[PiN7uRiCCHi0]

Still don't understand why after this is all said in done in Italy we don't take it to an EU court for an honest round in a court of law.

Then you are not reading what has already been posted in this thread.

Should Juve win this trial through Moggi and proves its innocence and what a farce Calciopoli really was FIFA or UEFA might take legal proceedings against Italy and eventually ban its teams from participating in any European competitions for several seasons. I think FIFA released such a statement right after the rumour that Juventus was going to appeal against its punishment. Take a look at this article - http://sports.ndtv.com/football/news/item/16903-fifa-threatens-to-ban-all-italian-clubs

I even answered similar question of yours a few pages back in this thread.

 

[Hust]

Then you are not reading what has already been posted in this thread.

Should Juve win this trial through Moggi and proves its innocence and what a farce Calciopoli really was FIFA or UEFA might take legal proceedings against Italy and eventually ban its teams from participating in any European competitions for several seasons. I think FIFA released such a statement right after the rumour that Juventus was going to appeal against its punishment. Take a look at this article - http://sports.ndtv.com/football/news/item/16903-fifa-threatens-to-ban-all-italian-clubs

I even answered similar question of yours a few pages back in this thread.

I will check the article. When did FIFA publish this? Can you send me the post # of your reply, sorry I didn't see them.

 

[Hust]

Wait, this article is from 2007...fuck that. And who cares if they ban italian clubs from all competitions. Why the fuck should we care? We cared in 2006 and look where that got us.

 

[enzodileto]

Why the fuck should we care if FIFA ban Italian teams from competitions? We aren't in them!

But seriously that is what got us into this mess by accepting the original verdict instead of fighting to clear our name. They should have forced the FIGC's hand as they would have made ammends to stop us forcing FIFA into action. I bet you in 2006 if we fought there would have been a small points deduction if that.

We should have used the Moratti mentality of fuck everyone else and be ruthless for your own means.

 

[PiN7uRiCCHi0]

And who cares if they ban italian clubs from all competitions. Why the fuck should we care? We cared in 2006 and look where that got us.

It's not the case of what we care about but rather what the FIGC and FIFA/UEFA care about. And believe none of them would like Juve to prove Calciopoli was a farce. This is why I believe the FIGC will never let Moggi win in this trial.

The number is 11190

 

[Hust]

Juventus being in Italy has been let down by its own countries judiciary system. Administrative court or not, somewhere someone has got to give this club and/or moggi a fair trial.

Sure everything seems to add up with the montz...elkann theories...but fuck it and hopefully that's what Moggi says is fuck it...take it up another level if necessary.

Whatever Moggi does anyways has NO RELATION TO JUVENTUS...so lets say he takes it to the EU courts and wins, that opens a massive door for Juventus should they decide to do the same.

 

[Hust]

It's not the case of what we care about but rather what the FIGC and FIFA/UEFA care about. And believe none of them would like Juve to prove Calciopoli was a farce. This is why I believe the FIGC will never let Moggi win in this trial.

The number is 11190

I don't disagree with the bolded. Which is why Moggi needs to go for the throat. I don't know anything about law but it doesn't make sense that a person or institution (juve) can't head up to a EU court of justice if their own country lets them down.

 

[PiN7uRiCCHi0]

Only time will tell my friend, but take my word and not get your hopes up, because I believe you'll be disappointed.

 

[Hust]

I can't see this happening, Hustini.

Such intervention from a higher source would only complicate what is already enough complicated case and both FIFA and UEFA know this. This is why Juve never appealed on the first place against their demotion to Serie B. Because if Moggi and Giraudo are proven innocent that would mean the whole Calciopoli was a farce and this would damage the image of Serie A even a greater deal.

So, as far as I am concerned, for the italian football to save its reputation Juve must never be proved innocent this is why I feel Moggi would never clear his name because no one would allow him to do it.

Here are my thoughts on why we should take it above FIFA and bypass them completely. Go to the EU courts, that is.

1.) FIFA will undoubtedly need to clean FIGC once proven what a farce it was.
2.) It would show that FIFA were not fair and the FIGC are corrupt and mistreated Juve and didn't treat every fairly in 2006.
3.) That disregarding all these wiretaps that Moggi's team as uncovered in Naples was a HUGE injustice to a fair trial and the appeals.

The EU courts have nothing to do with FIGC, Moratti, FIFA, UEFA, etc...that's the only place we could get a fair treatment and trial...Unless the FIGC decide to grow a conscience then there really isn't much else we could do.

 

[Hust]

Its just like in the US for example. If a company fires me based off of race I go to the county/state courts to argue my case that I was fired based off of race, which is illegal. If the court finds the company innocent I could still appeal to the US Supreme court and you can't get much higher than that.

 

[Hust]

Only time will tell my friend, but take my word and not get your hopes up, because I believe you'll be disappointed.

Disappointed? Nothing will ever come close to how I felt in 2006, so I have no other choice but to be hopeful. Even if I am disappointed in the end of all this, it won't come close to what was running through my veins 5.5 years ago.

 

[JUVEMOOD]

The club argues that the punishment it received was unduly harsh, and that it lost millions of euros as a result. Three other Italian clubs involved in the match-fixing scandal received point penalties, but were not relegated. (AP)

This is from the link posted


what I fucking hate the most is when they write or say anything about bribes and match fixing

and some here want us to forget and move on.

Ok, we should move on with building but also FUCK YOU ELKAN for not defending the team in 2006 and now

seriously if Andrea and co do nothing this time, I swear I will spit on his face if I ever got the chance to meet him or Elkan

 

[PiN7uRiCCHi0]

Whatever Moggi does anyways has NO RELATION TO JUVENTUS...so lets say he takes it to the EU courts and wins, that opens a massive door for Juventus should they decide to do the same.

You are right about this. Now Moggi is on his own and only he decides what to do from now on. As for Juve the person who will decide whether to take advantage of Moggi's eventual win is John Elkann. And I can tell you that if it was on his mind to win this for Juve he would have supported Moggi in this trial.

 

[PiN7uRiCCHi0]

seriously if Andrea and co do nothing this time, I swear I will spit on his face if I ever got the chance to meet him or Elkan

What do you think Andrea Agnelli can do? I'm sure things would not have been this way if he had any power but sadly he's just a puppet president in the hands of John Elkann and the whole idea behind this whas to please the fans who wanted and Agnelli in charge.

 

[Hust]

You are right about this. Now Moggi is on his own and only he decides what to do from now on. As for Juve the person who will decide whether to take advantage of Moggi's eventual win is John Elkann. And I can tell you that if it was on his mind to win this for Juve he would have supported Moggi in this trial.

If Moggi can win in EU (for example), the court decision puts MASSIVE pressure on FIFA for not seeing this through themselves and the FIGC for what a fucking farce this was, then I see our club, namely Elkann take advantage of it. For the good of Juve, of course. As of now, it doesn't make sense for obvious reason for Elkann to do anything but if Moggi wins this on his own anywhere then I see the club top dogs doing something then.

 

[Salvatore]

Was this the Napoli trial?

 

[JUVEMOOD]

I don't think it is different in Italy in general other than rest of the world

If football federation in a country made decisions that I didn't accept then I go to higher sport courts and if also I didn't accept it I take it to FIFA's sport court (or UEFA).

That could have been done in 2006 to stop all the verdicts, but Juve didn't do that which I don't know WHY? I understood why we didn't take it to civil courts, but why we didn't take it to higher sport courts? I still don't know.


Now for this new verdict, If we didn't accept or like the outcome of FIGC in 18-7, Can we take this to higher sport courts???

Andrea should do something.
I really boil when I read that fans love hims while he is doing nothing, I hope he is up to the expectations of fans who love him

 

[PiN7uRiCCHi0]

If Moggi can win in EU (for example), the court decision puts MASSIVE pressure on FIFA for not seeing this through themselves and the FIGC for what a fucking farce this was, then I see our club, namely Elkann take advantage of it. For the good of Juve, of course. As of now, it doesn't make sense for obvious reason for Elkann to do anything but if Moggi wins this on his own anywhere then I see the club top dogs doing something then.

Well, as far as I know Moggi's next step will eventually be CONI - the Italian olympic comitee. So still a long way to go until this trial is taken abroad if it ever happens.