Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (56 Viewers)

Mark

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I looked over fast. The 1st one is a conversation with a journalist. Every journalist has it's source and Moggi was one for this guy. 2nd is Moggi being pissed at one ref and talking about assigning a ref for a friendly. They also mention the assignment of a ref in the CL and Pairetto said who it was. I don't think Moggi asked for the ref.
 

Mark

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It,s how Moggi talks also. He sounds arrogant and think he knows everything. For example in part 2 you think he's choosing the refs but in reality they do a draw and even a monkey could get it right since a couple of refs were already chosen for important, medium and unimportant games. The draw wasn't fixed and they proved it. Moggi's mouth and arrogance was what put Juve in deep sh*t.
 

solojuve1897

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Sep 17, 2008
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Here's what sounds very vey bad. What did they say about all this?


Moggi: Hello.
Pairetto: Hey there, I know you forgot all about me, but I didn’t.
Moggi: Go on…
Pairetto: I placed a great referee for the Amsterdam match.
Moggi: Who?
Pairetto: Meier.
Moggi: Great!
Pairetto: Anyway, it was just to tell you this. You see that I still think about you, even though you don’t anymore…
Moggi: Don’t start, now you’ll see, when I’m back, that I didn't forget you.



Secretary: Agnelli’s house, good morning.
Moggi: Good morning, I’m Moggi. I need Nalla.
Nalla: Hello Luciano.
Moggi: I need urgently, because we need to do…
Nalla: Yes.
Moggi: For an important friend, a Maserati!
Nalla: Yes.
Moggi: Four-door.
Nalla: Four-door?
Moggi: Yes. We give you a week’s time, ten days, ok?
Nalla: Ok!


Enzo: Hello?
Pairetto: Enzo?
Enzo: Hello Gigi.
Pairetto: Listen, I wanted to tell you that I practically have the car.
Enzo: Which?
Pairetto: So when we want to go pick it up there is practically available the Maserati.
Enzo: Come on…
Pairetti: Yes, therefore...
Enzo: Madonna!
Pairetto: Now when I’m back home tomorrow I will call directly the Royal House.

EDIT: I just wanted to point out that Moggi doesnt choose the ref. He just gets informed about who it is and enjoys that the ref is a good one. But then it seams that Moggi gives Pairetto a car for helping Juve out in getting a good ref in the CL. So this doesnt prove match-fixing, or influencing a ref in doing something bad. Every club wants the good refs for their important games. Yet, giving out cars to their respective referee designator for helping them out in accomplishing that goal is a bit fucked up.

Wasn't the car-stories cleared up in court?
 

Mark

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I think this is from gsol

When the tabloids reported on the incident they made it sound like Moggi bought referees with exotic cars (and totally ignored the conversation Galliani and Meani of Milan had where they spoke of Berlusconi paying for a referees hair transplant after Milan-Chievo in some hair clinic in Switzerland). Here’s the real story (it is actually cleared up in the trial documents too):

When someone orders an exotic it is custom made for the client in order of purchase (if you are the 43rd client you will receive the 43rd model). If you are a VIP you can get your car slightly faster.

Gigi Pairetto’s son Andrea had ordered himself a Maserati but was becoming impatient as it was taking months more than he expected to get it. Andrea Pairetto is a nobody to Maserati so he couldn’t spped things up. He asked his father Gigi (referee designer) to try and speed things up.

Gigi called Moggi knowing that Moggi was a FIAT VIP based on his position at Juventus. Moggi then called the directors at FIAT and asked if Andrea Pairett’s order could be sped up. It was…that’s it.

If a friend of yours asked you for a favour would you not do the same thing? Needless to say that there is nothing illegal about that and Moggi in no way bought a car for anyone. The car was paid for in full by Andrea Pairetto. Moggi just managed to get it to him a month or so sooner because he worked for the same Corporation as a director (FIAT).

They investigated the model number and the financial trail behind it and it was confirmed that Andrea Pairetto paid for it in full.
 

solojuve1897

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Sep 17, 2008
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Thnx Mark.

This is interesting though.

A. Moggi: …the other day, take it as an information, then I don’t know, I met up with Enrico Preziosi (former President of Genoa) as always.
Luciano Moggi: Uhm…
A. Moggi: He started telling me how football is changing, you must be careful of this and that, Carraro, Galliani, then he tells me not to trust Montezemolo. I ask him why? Because I overheard a conversation at Juve, they want to kick everyone out except for Giraudo.
L. Moggi: Yes, but this is bollocks!
A. Moggi: I’m telling you what I heard, since Preziosi is often in this kind of environment, he’s in it.
L. Moggi: He’s never there!
A. Moggi: Well, dad, I’m telling you because...
L. Moggi: It’s exactly the other way round.

The great Luciano didnt believe it, yet it happened. Really sick stuff...
I think Guido Rossi is even a consultant at Fiat as of now, lol :)
 

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Here's what sounds very vey bad. What did they say about all this?


Pairetto: Anyway, it was just to tell you this. You see that I still think about you, even though you don’t anymore…
Moggi: Don’t start, now you’ll see, when I’m back, that I didn't forget you.
So all this was just just because Moggi and Pairetto were lovers? :shocked:
 

solojuve1897

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Sep 17, 2008
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There is also a part 2 link in it. The calciopoli story on the blog is quite different from the one we are exposed to here.


I dunno what to believe...
Are these scripts fake?
I cant find anything worth mentioning against Moggi from part 2..
Of course the first call but the rest is either about other teams or consist of bullshit.

Anyway here is the call where Moggi discusses the "grids"..


Moggi: ...Now I tell you what I had studied.
Bergamo: ...Let’s see what we agree on with what I had studied!
Moggi: ...Let’s see a bit if…
Bergamo: ...Let’s see who studied best... Who do you put in the first grid of teams? Of games?
Moggi: ...wait...let me get the paper! Because I checked it out well today... So I put: Inter-Roma;
Bergamo: ...yes...
Moggi: ...Juventus-Udinese;
Bergamo: ...yes...
Moggi: Reggina-Milan;
Bergamo: ...yes...
Moggi: Fiorentina-Parma, which cannot be left out and Siena-Messina;
Bergamo: ...yes...;
Moggi: ...I put five, however we can also put four! It’s not like Siena-Messina is an important match! I think so, no?
Bergamo: Then there’s also Livorno-Sampdoria where in the first round there was a lot of problems! However, it’s ok! Go ahead, as anyway... it doesn’t change much!
Moggi: ...I know teams which ...I know teams Livorno and Sampdoria which in practice are a bit calmer!
Bergamo: Uhhh! Not really! Well! Ok, go ahead! Because anyway not much changes, we can also add another one if we wanted, however I have only a few referees for the first slot! Tell me!
Moggi: I put: Bertini...
Bergamo: ...uh...
Moggi: ...Paparesta who returns...
Bergamo: ...no, Paparesta does not return!
Moggi: He returns on Friday!
Bergamo: Are you sure?
Moggi: Sure!
[Hehe, funny that Moggi knows who will return better then Bergamo)
Bergamo: But if Gigi told me that this UEFA commitment will keep him out till the 12th?
Moggi: ...ehm... What he told you is crap...and when’s the 12th??
Bergamo: ...Saturday!...
Moggi: No, no, he returns on Friday night!...Bertini, Paparesta, Trefoloni, Ragalbuto, I had placed Tombolini, but Tombolini then made a mess with Lazio, I don’t know how this is, that is he made a mess, he gave a penalty...
Bergamo: ...uh...
Moggi: ...and these were the referees I had placed in this grid!
Bergamo: ...and Rodomonti instead of Tombolini, right?
Moggi: ....or Rodomonti instead of Tombolini, is fine too!
Bergamo: ...and so we had done it the same way, you see!
Moggi: ...I, I think...I think that this can be a grid…a grid;
Bergamo: ...that is I don’t have Paparesta. I had 4. I had: Bertini, Ragalbuto, Rodomonti and Trefoloni! And sincerely I want to stop Tombolini for a match because he made a mistake, otherwise you never punish them?
Moggi: ...yes...yes...no, no, no...Eh...oh? Look, let me tell you... maybe I’m wrong, also I have some people to keep under, no? If you, for example, don’t punish Collina and Rosetti, the others are all authorized.
Bergamo: ....but in fact, I did not put Collina and Rosetti, eh?
Moggi: ...No, just to tell you, but the others are authorized to say: if they do it, we can do it too, they cannot break our balls!
Bergamo: ...I have written down: Bertini, Rodomonti, Trefoloni, then you tell me Paparesta, better! Paparesta arrives and is used as a referee! The important thing is that he arrives on Friday because Inter-Roma is moved forward to Saturday!
Moggi: No, no Friday night he will be there! No, no, there are no problems....
(…)
Moggi: ...I think...I think that there is no problem... this grid has no problem! I think! I think so, but then in football you never, if there are problems, however.
Bergamo: ...no, but also I believe in this, eh... the only thing, it doesn’t even interest me if Bertini goes to do Reggina-Milan which is the sixth time for Milan and... from that moment he will precluded! Patience, oh! He will not ref Milan-Juventus but this is not what worries me! Because anyway he already took care of the first leg, therefore!

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Mark,

Were there anything else they used to convict Moggi and Juventus? What was the call they thought was the worst?
 

Mark

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The worst was combining all these calls and making up a NEW rule so that would relegate them.




taken from other site and was translated form Italian to English by them.



The girds - Le griglie

As for the league matches, the system of arbitration can be defined as descriptions of mixed type, combining moments of discretion that is, to a later stage of the draw, and so is taking place:

- the league is broken down by bands, also called "girds", each composed of a variable number of matches not less than three, which have characteristics similar to the effect that by the same degree of technical difficulty of conducting the arbitration;

-the valuation of matches which include in each band, and then the valuation of matches which have the same particularities of the difficulty of conducting arbitration is made by the discretion designators BERGAMO and PAIRETTO (on the basis of some parameters, however, not in regulation but commonly accepted): so for example in the range of major technical difficulties (the band A) is usually included matches of clubs competing for the top of the list (and as such, shall we say only for this reason, considered to be particularly sensitive) but may also be included other matches to be considered from time to time, particularly difficult (for example: matches between teams fighting for relegation or derby between teams of same town);

- each band or “grid” of matches, so formed for each day of the championship, is also a grid of arbitrators numerically identical (example: if the A band consists of 5 games will be formed a grid of 5 referees to match the fascia ), which is prepared by designators BERGAMO and PAIRETTO;

-the decision of referees which include the individual grids is taken from the designators discretionary assessments, ie designators to determine from time to time as referees, for example, type A in the grid which is considered the most technical difficulty in conducting the arbitration. This evidently on the assumption that it is referees ensuring professionalism adjusted to the level of technical difficulty of the various bands: it should be remembered also as every year is a kind of prepared list of arbitrators, also drafted on the basis of reports that are made observers sent to each lot and where valuations are expressed the work of the referees;

- grids of matches and the arbitrators are formed by the two nominated on Thursday (after preparatory work in two days earlier) and on Friday it is the combination of the single arbitrator for a single match. The draw takes place in the presence not only of designators and components of the secretariat designated […], but also at the presence of a notary (notaries in reality are two, one present when the draw takes place in Rome and the other when the draw takes place at Coverciano) and a journalist (which is never the same, but from time to time be appointed by the sports journalists). In an urn are placed the balls with inside the indication of matches and in another urn with balls inside the names of individual arbitrators, and then proceeding to matching - for separate bands \ grids match\ arbitrators-the extraction of a match and the corresponding removal of an arbitrator. The designator extract from urn the ball of the match while the journalist pulls the ball from other urn, that including referees;

- not all the referees who are part of the grid combined with a range of games can arbitrate indifferently all the games of that band. Indeed, there is also to take account of the mechanism of "foreclosure", that is the objective reasons which do not allow a judge to arbitrate a match: “objective” because it depends on the foreclosure cases that are not evaluated by designators, but they are predetermined by the regulation. The foreclosure may arise from the place of residence of the referees or the location where the referees play work, which precludes to that arbitrator to arbitrate a race game where a team of that province (example: an arbitrator based in Turin will never arbitrate Juventus), or the number of matches to a certain team that an arbitrator has previously arbitration (an arbitrator cannot arbitrate for two consecutive day-match, every referee can not arbitrate a team that has already arbitrated six times previously);

-The mechanism of foreclosure does not at the time of the designators draw grids of arbitrators to be matched to a particular band of league matches, but then when the draw. If in a certain band, there are matches that are closed to one (or more) of the arbitrators to be matched to that band, first there is the extraction from urn of precluded matches (marked with a color different from that of other matches): obviously If you extract from urn of referees just the name of an arbitrator who cannot arbitrate the game, it is extracted another ball, and after extracting the name previously extracted is replaced inside the urn;

-Finally, as regards the assistant referees (ie linesmen) they are chosen by the discretion of two designators BERGAMO and PAIRETTO together with the vice-designator MAZZEI (who exactly is the exclusive assistants), and the observers are chosen by discretion two designated, but also taking into account the proximity of the place of residence with one in which the matches will be played (in the sense that there is a tendency to appoint observers who do not have to make long journeys).

This is taken to close the Prosecutor of Turin, I would say that is correct and that you find your answers.

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P.s.
As you can see, the referees were drawn and linesmen were chosen by discretion of designators and vice-designator. It was impossible to choose a complacent referee, but it was possible to choose the linesman.
Someone in Milan (Adriano Galliani CEO of Milan AC) is recommended to have complacent linesmen. Talking to the assigned to the arbitrators of Milan AC, Meani, Galliani in a telephone conversation explicitly says: “Push Meani, push ...”
 

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