Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (49 Viewers)

ZAF3000

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IrishZebra said:
Not here and I'm pretty sure the ECJ has guidlines on it, plus considering how corrupt Italy is...
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Even though, with the "illegally acquired evidence" they couldn't prove that we have fixed any match and they couldn't not find a relationship between us and referee selections. If you go through the details of the court orders and papers announced it says that clearly.

They did find some unsportsmanship behaviors by Juventus' officials, but it was worse with other teams e.g. Milan. So why did Juventus get the heaviest punishment?

The only match that was clearly fixed in this scandal with Milan Vs Udinese. Two conversations between Meani and an official from Udinese speaking about Jankluviski's future and how Milan are willing to pay for it. Then both of them agree that if Milan and Udinese drew in their upcoming game it will benefit Udinese chances in CL in addition, Udinese would be considering offloading the player to Milan. A phone call after the game (which ended either 1-1 or 0-0), Meani and the same Udinese official were laughing on how the other team (I think Fiorentina) were trying hard and I think grabbed their win but Udinese's draw was all that is needed.. A few days later Jankoluviski is announced to be moving to Milan.

NOW thats match fixing. And for that Udinese and Milan should have gone to Serie B. Not Juventus.
 
Vinman

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Club Focus - Juventus - Is John Elkann the real reason for Juventus' failure?

By Mina Rzouki
“I would return quickly if Andrea Agnelli were at the helm, also to repay the kindness of the Juventus fans whose affection I have never lacked in recent years.” Those were the words of Juve’s ex-Managing Director, Luciano Moggi, as he explained his desire to return to the Turin giants as soon as his five year ban has ended.






Gigi Moncalvo, a journalist and a politician, recently published a book in which lies a chapter entitled ‘Moggi and Giraudo - a danger to John’. Moncalvo believes that Juve’s failure in properly defending their team with regards to the Calciopoli was down to the fact that John Elkann wanted both Luciano Moggi and Antonio Giraudo out due to their intentions of bringing Andrea Agnelli in. With Andrea as President of Juventus, John’s ambition of reaching the pinnacle of power would be hard to realize due to the competition he would face from his cousin. A sentiment shared by Moggi, who in October, telephoned a radio show and accused his former club of accepting unfair punishments and poorly defending their team in hopes of banishing Andrea.



Umberto was of course Juve’s President and Gianni’s brother who created a very efficient and tight management that allowed the team to enjoy great success and afforded his successor an easier task at presiding over the legendary club. Moncalvo’s chapter documents how Giraudo prepared for the arrival of Andrea to Juve, Umberto’s son, as homage to the great Umberto and as a gesture of gratitude. In addition to his popularity, Andrea was perfect for the role as President as he not only carried the Agnelli name, a name which John refused out of respect to his father Alain Elkann, but an Agnelli who graduated from the prestigious Oxford University, had gained valuable work experience, and alongside his mother, Umberto’s second wife Allegra, held Juventus within his heart.



His cousin John held great ambitions of success and power and knew all too well how a football team’s success can translate into success for the individual presiding over it. You need only look at how well Silvio Berlusconi’s political career benefitted from Milan’s utter dominance in the world of football. With Andrea at the helm of the Bianconeri and backed by two of the most intelligent football managers around, Juve was destined for even greater success and most fans would have attributed it all to Umberto’s son despite the fact that the triad would have been responsible. Aware of the competition and of the possible power Andrea would earn from Juve’s success and the opportunities that would present themselves to him, John needed Andrea to walk away and what better way to do it than to get rid of his staunchest backers, Moggi and Giraudo. And so Calciopoli was allowed to break down Juventus and force Andrea to walk away in order to allow only one man to continue the Agnelli name, free of any rivalry.






However, John’s plan backfired and Juve risks falling into an abyss considering the past two years’ results. He may well have secured his position at the top but the fans still cry out for Andrea and Moggi repeatedly speaks out and with Moncalvo’s book out for the whole world to read, it may be time to change course. Elkann was unable to continue Juve’s winning dynasty and may now be forced to turn to his cousin in hopes of resurrecting this club as indicated when Andrea accompanied his younger cousin in a trip to Vinovo in December to greet the team and Coach. Have the tables turned?



Whether you believe this conspiracy theory or not, it certainly allows for a new vantage point and perhaps may explain why Juve, a team that was deemed unbreakable, well connected and infinitely powerful failed to properly defend its honour. Juve fans will always have you believe that they were innocent and that Moggipoli was all done in an effort to reduce the Old Lady to utter failure. Perhaps these theories will forever remain mere theories or perhaps John truly is the power starved, ruthlessly ambitious businessman who forced his beloved team into paying the price for his success as the head of a family torn apart by family feuds.



Back to the real world and the next game will provide the Bianconeri with the ideal and rather ironic stage to truly crash and burn when faced with their ex Coach, Claudio Ranieri and his on-form Roma team. No-one could have predicted the current league standings earlier in the campaign when Juve thrashed the Romans thanks by in large to the Brazilian contingent but alas seven defeats later and Juve are on the brink of a total meltdown. To those wondering whether fans regret asking for Ranieri’s dismissal, here’s a quote from an ardent supporter: “Better to die in the arms of a Bianconero then survive in the hands of a Romanista.”
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FUCK THE ELKANNS !!!!

FUCK JOHN, WHO TOOK DOWN THIS TEAM FOR HIS OWN BENEFIT, AND FUCK HIS BROTHER LAPO, THAT FUCKING JUNKIE AND FAGGOT !!!!


I knew all along that this board would bring us nothing but disappointment, and the article makes all the sense in the world....

Get out John, BLANK, SUCKO, and bring in Andrea and the TRIADE !!! :flag1: :flag1:
 
only-juve

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ZAF3000 said:
The only match that was clearly fixed in this scandal with Milan Vs Udinese. Two conversations between Meani and an official from Udinese speaking about Jankluviski's future and how Milan are willing to pay for it. Then both of them agree that if Milan and Udinese drew in their upcoming game it will benefit Udinese chances in CL in addition, Udinese would be considering offloading the player to Milan. A phone call after the game (which ended either 1-1 or 0-0), Meani and the same Udinese official were laughing on how the other team (I think Fiorentina) were trying hard and I think grabbed their win but Udinese's draw was all that is needed.. A few days later Jankoluviski is announced to be moving to Milan.

NOW thats match fixing. And for that Udinese and Milan should have gone to Serie B. Not Juventus.
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Anyone with a reasonable-logical mind would now that this whole calciopoli thing was a scandal. You don't have to be a Juve supporter to see this.

Am not saying all the FIGC members where planning this shit but there certainly some people from the inside plus outsiders were pushing for these punishments. Is it a coincidence that just 3 years after the death of Gianni Agnelli that the Calciopoli happened ?! Why didn't it happen in 2001-2002 or any year before that ?

Personaly its clear to me that whoever wanted that to happen knew that the late Agnelli won't stand there watching all this shit happen to he's club and do nothing. So they knew he was sick and sooner or later he will die and then they can do whatever they want.

As you said, milan were more involved in it yet nothing much happened to them you know why ? Because Berlousconi is alive and he won't stand there do nothing when he see's he's business going down.

This whole scandal is a joke and our club is the victim of it simple as that.
 
Osman

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Not to be pedantic, but how is Andrea Johns cousin??? Keep reading that. Isnt he the cousin of John and Lapo's mother? (their mothers father is Gianni, Andrea's father is Umberto, Gianni's brother) So more like a 2nd uncle.
 
IrishZebra

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Vinman said:
what, are you offended ??

are you one of Lapo's trannies ??

I have no respect for the Elkanns, they dont deserve it

and you call yourself a Juventus fan...

btw- the neg rep is returned
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No I'm somebody that realises what a douchbag thing you posted and you can return the -rep all you want, at least I gave an actual reason.

You question my status as a fan?
 
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