Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (55 Viewers)
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Bozi
You speak of him like a criminal yet I haven’t heard you say what he did. As I already stated many times, the “calls in our favor” benefitted everyone and there was never a trend shown that proved Juve were any more favored than the other top clubs.
What is it exactly that he did wrong? I know other clubs hated him because he was so cynical with his transfer dealings but that is a far cry from being a Mafioso and in no way illegal.
You speak of him like a criminal yet I haven’t heard you say what he did. As I already stated many times, the “calls in our favor” benefitted everyone and there was never a trend shown that proved Juve were any more favored than the other top clubs.
What is it exactly that he did wrong? I know other clubs hated him because he was so cynical with his transfer dealings but that is a far cry from being a Mafioso and in no way illegal.
i never actually said he did anything illegal, simply that the way he went about business was always suspicious. also i never said he was mafioso but that when uli hoeness called him this we all laughed, all joked and all played on the fact we had a guy who seemed to be able to do things that should not have been posssible. we all laughed at the possibility that he was in fact a very shady character but all consluded it was better to have him on our side.
every team benefitted from the "system" if there ever was one, but when the blame stated flying around it was an easy task to pick the pantomime villain of the piece. moggi's reputation meant that he was guilty in the eyes of the world without ever needing evidence.
lie is say there may or may not have been a system but when you have a shady guy at the top of the tree it becomes easier to pin the blame on him, simply because folk already think the worst.
i personally think there was something underhand going on, we simply got punished far harshly than anyone else
every team benefitted from the "system" if there ever was one, but when the blame stated flying around it was an easy task to pick the pantomime villain of the piece. moggi's reputation meant that he was guilty in the eyes of the world without ever needing evidence.
lie is say there may or may not have been a system but when you have a shady guy at the top of the tree it becomes easier to pin the blame on him, simply because folk already think the worst.
i personally think there was something underhand going on, we simply got punished far harshly than anyone else
Moggi: Inter still don't have guts
Luciano Moggi has launched a scathing attack on Inter after their sluggish performance against Liverpool. “It’s 2002 all over again.”
The Nerazzurri are 11 points clear at the top of Serie A, but seemed out of sorts and defensive at Anfield even before Marco Materazzi’s 30th-minute red card.
“Inter turned up at Liverpool with their head in the clouds, thinking they had already won, just like they did in Rome that famous May 5, 2002,” said Moggi.
That day all they needed was a win or potentially even a draw away to Lazio in order to clinch the Scudetto, but they lost 4-2 and finished third behind Juventus and Roma.
Moggi, who as director general of Juve was at the centre of the Calciopoli scandal, also used the Liverpool loss and the Bianconeri’s current form to highlight what he saw as an over-reaction to his famous phone calls.
“It was certainly easy for Massimo Moratti to think of conspiracies, but the fact the current Juventus side is still making its presence felt proves that these plots Moratti talks about simply didn’t exist.
“I must compliment Claudio Ranieri and all the players of the old guard who remained at Juve.”
The Turin giants were demoted to Serie B, but won promotion immediately and are now just one point adrift of second place.
Channel 4
Luciano Moggi has launched a scathing attack on Inter after their sluggish performance against Liverpool. “It’s 2002 all over again.”
The Nerazzurri are 11 points clear at the top of Serie A, but seemed out of sorts and defensive at Anfield even before Marco Materazzi’s 30th-minute red card.
“Inter turned up at Liverpool with their head in the clouds, thinking they had already won, just like they did in Rome that famous May 5, 2002,” said Moggi.
That day all they needed was a win or potentially even a draw away to Lazio in order to clinch the Scudetto, but they lost 4-2 and finished third behind Juventus and Roma.
Moggi, who as director general of Juve was at the centre of the Calciopoli scandal, also used the Liverpool loss and the Bianconeri’s current form to highlight what he saw as an over-reaction to his famous phone calls.
“It was certainly easy for Massimo Moratti to think of conspiracies, but the fact the current Juventus side is still making its presence felt proves that these plots Moratti talks about simply didn’t exist.
“I must compliment Claudio Ranieri and all the players of the old guard who remained at Juve.”
The Turin giants were demoted to Serie B, but won promotion immediately and are now just one point adrift of second place.
Channel 4
Bozi I understand what you are saying the "bad rep" Moggi had was due largely to two things.
1) the media went out of their way to make him look bad. They even printed that he orchestrated Lapo's overdose. come on.
2) when it came to transfers he made a sport of disinformation with players, managers and above all media. Honestly not too different then what others do.
Nothing against the rules though.
1) the media went out of their way to make him look bad. They even printed that he orchestrated Lapo's overdose. come on.
2) when it came to transfers he made a sport of disinformation with players, managers and above all media. Honestly not too different then what others do.
Nothing against the rules though.
The media definitely played a part in vilifying Moggi. Our 3 main managerial figures were the "Triade", whereas at other clubs they were 3 different ppl. The media, through constant Juve bashing over the years, instilled a belief in ppl that Moggi and Juventus were crooked, so when the slightest thing arose, they jumped all over it, ignoring common sense and reason. Confirmation bias.
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Saturday 23 February, 2008
Blog: The Healing Game
This new Juventus have impressed to such a degree that James Horncastle questions whether the Old Lady really needed Calciopoli to prosper
Who would have thought after seeing their dominance undermined by allegations of refereeing favouritism that Inter would have Juventus, and Alessandro Del Piero, to thank for effectively clinching the Nerazzurri's third consecutive championship success? Is this a cruel twist of fate or more evidence of a new Old Lady who, after being wronged, is resolved more than ever to prove herself not only dignified and honest but worthy of respect on the pitch?
Listen carefully to anyone associated with Juventus and their language has changed. They use words like 'sacrifice', 'determination' and 'pride'. Claudio Ranieri talks about having a dream while the new President, Giovanni Cobolli Gigli, has said: "We give ourselves the objective of being sympathetic and victorious. Transparency and teamwork are the order of the day."
Underneath the niceties though, it is clear that an acute sense of vengeance has driven the Bianconeri to a remarkable third place. Last year David Trezeguet tried, clumsily, to hide his resentment at enforced relegation, saying: "We are a team that suffered something we did not deserve. Serie B has reinforced our mentality. We are not angry – we are stronger." If not anger, Juve, as if starved from their time in the wilderness, have shown an insatiable hunger to reclaim their place as Italy's top club.
Despite well documented technical deficiencies in midfield, the spirit presiding over a group of hardened Calciopoli survivors and new eager-to-impress youngsters has made Ranieri's side into an irrepressible outfit. Every man, no matter what the pecking order in the squad, is working for the team. The Bianconeri have scored 18 times in the last 15 minutes of their matches and eight of those have arrived from players coming off the bench.
What is more incredible is that hardly any of the club's summer signings have worked. The team's current success is largely derived from those who navigated the Bianconeri out of exile last year. So if Juve can achieve so much with those remaining after the departures of Fabio Cannavaro, Emerson, Gianluca Zambrotta, Lilian Thuram, Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Patrick Vieira, might we call into question the true 'power' of Luciano Moggi?
The current scoring charts also lay doubt at the doors of those who believe that Juventus needed help from officials – Trezeguet 15, Ibrahimovic 14, Adrian Mutu 14 and Del Piero 10. Would a Juve that had the potential to muster 53 goals after just 23 games be dependent on refereeing verdicts? Let's not mention La Gazzetta's revised League table that put Juve above Inter if officials had made correct decisions.
Whether you view the last couple of years in the Turin club's history as just or unjust, Juventini and Italians can be proud at the sporting manner in which Juve have conducted themselves on their return from purgatory.
Saturday 23 February, 2008
Blog: The Healing Game
This new Juventus have impressed to such a degree that James Horncastle questions whether the Old Lady really needed Calciopoli to prosper
Who would have thought after seeing their dominance undermined by allegations of refereeing favouritism that Inter would have Juventus, and Alessandro Del Piero, to thank for effectively clinching the Nerazzurri's third consecutive championship success? Is this a cruel twist of fate or more evidence of a new Old Lady who, after being wronged, is resolved more than ever to prove herself not only dignified and honest but worthy of respect on the pitch?
Listen carefully to anyone associated with Juventus and their language has changed. They use words like 'sacrifice', 'determination' and 'pride'. Claudio Ranieri talks about having a dream while the new President, Giovanni Cobolli Gigli, has said: "We give ourselves the objective of being sympathetic and victorious. Transparency and teamwork are the order of the day."
Underneath the niceties though, it is clear that an acute sense of vengeance has driven the Bianconeri to a remarkable third place. Last year David Trezeguet tried, clumsily, to hide his resentment at enforced relegation, saying: "We are a team that suffered something we did not deserve. Serie B has reinforced our mentality. We are not angry – we are stronger." If not anger, Juve, as if starved from their time in the wilderness, have shown an insatiable hunger to reclaim their place as Italy's top club.
Despite well documented technical deficiencies in midfield, the spirit presiding over a group of hardened Calciopoli survivors and new eager-to-impress youngsters has made Ranieri's side into an irrepressible outfit. Every man, no matter what the pecking order in the squad, is working for the team. The Bianconeri have scored 18 times in the last 15 minutes of their matches and eight of those have arrived from players coming off the bench.
What is more incredible is that hardly any of the club's summer signings have worked. The team's current success is largely derived from those who navigated the Bianconeri out of exile last year. So if Juve can achieve so much with those remaining after the departures of Fabio Cannavaro, Emerson, Gianluca Zambrotta, Lilian Thuram, Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Patrick Vieira, might we call into question the true 'power' of Luciano Moggi?
The current scoring charts also lay doubt at the doors of those who believe that Juventus needed help from officials – Trezeguet 15, Ibrahimovic 14, Adrian Mutu 14 and Del Piero 10. Would a Juve that had the potential to muster 53 goals after just 23 games be dependent on refereeing verdicts? Let's not mention La Gazzetta's revised League table that put Juve above Inter if officials had made correct decisions.
Whether you view the last couple of years in the Turin club's history as just or unjust, Juventini and Italians can be proud at the sporting manner in which Juve have conducted themselves on their return from purgatory.
oh i am in agreement on this but lots of juve fans wore this "shadiness" as a badge of honour and, to a degree,so did moggi. he loved his role as panto villain and played on it at times.
all i say is that i seriously doubt we were completely innocent, but i doubt whether we were any more or less guilty than the other teams involved
agreed totally but i always say there is no smoke without fire and there was a reason that moggi was treated with suspicion
all i say is that i seriously doubt we were completely innocent, but i doubt whether we were any more or less guilty than the other teams involved
agreed totally but i always say there is no smoke without fire and there was a reason that moggi was treated with suspicion
An unbelievable revelation has sent Juventus fans in Italy into a frenzy.
It was long understood that the new Juventus management fell painfully short in defending the team during the Calciopoli crisis and the words of both Sepp Blatter (FIFA President) and Stefano Melandri (Italian Sports Minister) thanking Luca Montezemolo for his "heroics" in discouraging Juventus’ civil court appeals were already sitting uncomfortably with fans but the recent revelations by Cobolli Gigli (courtesy of Gigi Moncalvo the Italian Journalist) has added fuel to an increasingly scorching fire between Juventus loyalists and the new management.
In an interview that Cobolli Gigli made with il Corriere dello Sport (see videos below) a confession of the president’s willingness to allow Juventus’ unjust treatment has become yet another cause for concern.
In the video phrases like “we understood that certain important sporting authorities had pre-written sentences long before the trial commenced” and “reading the judicial documents we found ourselves convicted of seemingly petty infractions and no major offences and thus a sentence of Serie B that was far superior that what the squad deserved” are stated without hesitation.
Many have been asking for almost two years now why then were the managers so reluctant to defend the old lady? The answer reveals yet another name in the long list of Juventus adversaries who saw fit that the team be demoted and stripped of their achievements.
Cobolli goes on to reveal that “in long conversations with Alessandro Vocalelli, he helped convince me that in certain moments it is better to accept a situation even in bitterness in the name of progress”.
Who is Alessandro Vocalelli? He is the director of Corriere dello Sport which is owned by the RCS Media group where Carlo Buora sits s Vice President (Telecom VP and former Pierelli and Inter VP). It should also be noted that Bruno Bartolozzi (Inter Team Manager) works as head editor of the Corriere dello Sport.
Cobolli goes on to say “it wasn’t easy accepting B but Vocalelli reminded me continuously that sometimes it’s best to swallow what’s in the chalice even if it is bitter and accept a punishment even if it is not deserved”.
Now we know that our managers were convinced by the Corriere dello Sport (among others) to accept the verdict of a trial that could only be classified as a farce.
Cobolli states “the 2 scudetti were won on the pitch and we still feel in our hearts that we have 29, however the situation is what it is”. It’s a good thing Vocalelli didn’t “convince” our “President” to accept Serie D1. Thank you Corriere.
Needless to say that countless forums and lawyers representing Juventus’ small shareholders like Giuseppe Belvisio have already stated publically that a president’s acceptance of such a damaging punishment that while knowing it was unlawful and easily disputable in Civil Courts is ground for an immediate dismissal.
Those who continue to doubt the evidence of outside and inside involvement in the case while continuing to believe that it was about match fixing will have their hands full trying to justify this revelation.
Cobolli…remove yourself!
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It was long understood that the new Juventus management fell painfully short in defending the team during the Calciopoli crisis and the words of both Sepp Blatter (FIFA President) and Stefano Melandri (Italian Sports Minister) thanking Luca Montezemolo for his "heroics" in discouraging Juventus’ civil court appeals were already sitting uncomfortably with fans but the recent revelations by Cobolli Gigli (courtesy of Gigi Moncalvo the Italian Journalist) has added fuel to an increasingly scorching fire between Juventus loyalists and the new management.
In an interview that Cobolli Gigli made with il Corriere dello Sport (see videos below) a confession of the president’s willingness to allow Juventus’ unjust treatment has become yet another cause for concern.
In the video phrases like “we understood that certain important sporting authorities had pre-written sentences long before the trial commenced” and “reading the judicial documents we found ourselves convicted of seemingly petty infractions and no major offences and thus a sentence of Serie B that was far superior that what the squad deserved” are stated without hesitation.
Many have been asking for almost two years now why then were the managers so reluctant to defend the old lady? The answer reveals yet another name in the long list of Juventus adversaries who saw fit that the team be demoted and stripped of their achievements.
Cobolli goes on to reveal that “in long conversations with Alessandro Vocalelli, he helped convince me that in certain moments it is better to accept a situation even in bitterness in the name of progress”.
Who is Alessandro Vocalelli? He is the director of Corriere dello Sport which is owned by the RCS Media group where Carlo Buora sits s Vice President (Telecom VP and former Pierelli and Inter VP). It should also be noted that Bruno Bartolozzi (Inter Team Manager) works as head editor of the Corriere dello Sport.
Cobolli goes on to say “it wasn’t easy accepting B but Vocalelli reminded me continuously that sometimes it’s best to swallow what’s in the chalice even if it is bitter and accept a punishment even if it is not deserved”.
Now we know that our managers were convinced by the Corriere dello Sport (among others) to accept the verdict of a trial that could only be classified as a farce.
Cobolli states “the 2 scudetti were won on the pitch and we still feel in our hearts that we have 29, however the situation is what it is”. It’s a good thing Vocalelli didn’t “convince” our “President” to accept Serie D1. Thank you Corriere.
Needless to say that countless forums and lawyers representing Juventus’ small shareholders like Giuseppe Belvisio have already stated publically that a president’s acceptance of such a damaging punishment that while knowing it was unlawful and easily disputable in Civil Courts is ground for an immediate dismissal.
Those who continue to doubt the evidence of outside and inside involvement in the case while continuing to believe that it was about match fixing will have their hands full trying to justify this revelation.
Cobolli…remove yourself!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SAGvJrgaD10&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sv32CdhLTe0&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=m1yCdt4ASDQ&feature=related
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=IXiCkBGTk-Y&feature=related
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