I $#@!ed up, I should say they look significantly better then us in Europe, personally I'm surprised Chiello isn't our top assist man already, specially with the rate at which we find him around the opposing final third
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I wouldnt say they've looked better than us in Europe.
Dortmund: 11/12 was a disgrace | 12/13 Final| 13/14 Average | 14/15 spanked by us | 15/16 Choked vs Pool in Europa
Juventus: 12/13 topped strong group | 13/14 disgrace | 14/15 Final | 15/16 schooled Bayern away without M8, Dybala, Chiello but choked
But considering their situation and the fact that they are a selling club they have done VERY good for themselves.
Until we win we're same as Dortmund, PSG and maybe Atletico, I'd be leaning on us below Atl
Yeah I guess but if we came up against PSG, City, Real, or Dortmund im betting on us every time. Against Atleti, Barca, and Bayern its 50/50.
Would you consider Madrid elite last season if they didnt win the CL due to having an extremely easy route?
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Double over Madrid? They'll get spanked at the Bernabeu, and maybe might get a draw (at best) in Dortmund.
Most were saying the same back in 2012. They looked really good last year and although they sold the likes of Hummels and Mikhi they atleast brought some damn good replacement for Mikhi in Guerrero, Gotze, and Dembele. Though their defense is a definite weak spot.