Brilliant, another country developes nuclear weapons? Oh lord, save us from Dubya. (4 Viewers)

[Zlatan]

1073. Wow.

Do I really have to find the map when the entire region of Dalmacija was under Bosnia?

I really dont know how that fits in the discussion.

 

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[BarkuZ-yes i am an ass]

Anyway,this is the map of 7th century when first people settled this Area....they were called Croats and they made first emipre on that Areas.

 

[BarkuZ-yes i am an ass]

Further.....who are really Bosnians? Any Croat or Serb in the Bosnia will say that he is a Croat or Serb.....onley muslim's will say that they consider themselves as Bosnians. But who are they really? The truth is,cruel or not,that they are just Croats(more) and Serbs(less) converted to Islam during the Turkish occupation.

 

[BarkuZ-yes i am an ass]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
1073. Wow.

Do I really have to find the map when the entire region of Dalmacija was under Bosnia?

I really dont know how that fits in the discussion.

my point was that Bosnia never existed as state until SHS kingdom,they were always the region of Croatia,just like Slavonia and Dalmacia.

 

[Zlatan]

Again, I really dont understand what it has to do with the discussion, but I'll play along for now because the facts are on my side.


And you say that this area was first inhabited by Croats and that they were the first to settle in the area... first of all, they might have been cristian, but I really doubt that they were croats, did they form a nation in 7 days?

And actually, believe it or not, the world did exist before the 7th century, and this area was inhabited before that Slavs (Slaveni) came to it. Iliri. Does it ring a bell?

So, thats one misstake down, the area was inhabited before the arrival of "croats".

Next, I really dont know what the origin of Bosnian muslims has to do with anything. Yes, they are christians that converted islam. But let me ask you this, did Christianity exist since the beggining of time? What are christians, or "croats" if not converted from other religions? If not converted Ilirians? The truth is that croats, as cruel as it might be, are nothing more than Ilirians converted to christianity, or maybe not ilirians, but certanly of some other religion. Even there your argument doesnt hold water.

Also, even before islam, bosnians werent croats, they had their own church, called Crkva Bosanska, which was based on christianity, but had different features, and it's origin comes from Bulgaria, they called themselves "bogumili", and Crkva Bosanska was actually considered as heretic by the christian church.

And maps? I can do maps.

Year 900.

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by barkuss ] ++


my point was that Bosnia never existed as state until SHS kingdom,they were always the region of Croatia,just like Slavonia and Dalmacia.

Thats entire bullshit and you know it. Povelja Kulina Bana is proof that an independant Bosnian state existed as early as 1189. The fact that you're a nationalist wont change that.

Anyways, maps we said?


Year 1200.

 

[Zlatan]

Year 1391 and your prescious Dalmacija.

 

[Zlatan]

Finally, year 1600.

 

[Slagathor]

This is getting interesting, never thought I'd say that about a Balcan geography lesson :dazed:

 

[Zlatan]

Geography and history lesson, but primarily history.

 

[Slagathor]

Not if you don't read but just look at the maps

I remember despising the balcans at primary school when the whole mess was falling apart and we had to update and re-learn everything about every week. :embarass:

 

[Zlatan]

I suggest that you do read it, might help you learn somehing

 

[Slagathor]

Yeah I know. Actually - I learned quite a lot later as the war progressed. Especially when NATO mobilised: the B52's were flying over our city and the army mobilised in case of arial counter-attacks. The whole recent history came to us via all media imaginable.

I remember the queen appearing live on television on all channels (all shows interrupted) to tell the public Holland had declared war for the first time since 1940. That was a scary moment.

Then of course everyone wanted to know exactly why and with who we were engaged in this mess and the information stream started.

 

[Zlatan]

Yes, sadly tho The Dutch proved to be useless at military defense and were actually a discrase to the UN. No offense.

 

[Slagathor]

Oh I know - which is why I'm supporting the movement that wants to dissemble our military. It's of absolutely no use whatsoever.

Srebrenica was still partly the Americans and French fault too though - they refused any support of any kind even after repeated requests from the Dutch camp.

 

[Zlatan]

Yeah, IIRC it was a French general that refused requests for air support.

 

[- vOnAm -]

Interesting thread! Never really thought a Juve forum would bring such issues.

Anyhow, the world's a real mess right now, the US seem to have declared a "crusade" against many nations, mostly muslim nations.

Who determines the rights to research or not research Nuclear technology anyhow? The US is so much against weapons of mass destruction yet they are the nation who has the worst of all weapons.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Good Scheisse.

 

[The Pado]

Excuse me Miss, could I temporarily house my weapon of mass destruction in your shoe?

 

[BarkuZ-yes i am an ass]

LOL,Kulin Ban.....Kulin ban gave this povelja's to every idiot who licked his ass......Dubrovnik was also a ind. state....nuff said.