That is the stupidest film ever made. Anyway.....Zlatan can mail you some traditional turbo-folk music,just to get a grip what our "beloved" people listen to.....
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Brilliant, another country developes nuclear weapons? Oh lord, save us from Dubya. (2 Viewers)
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Not hundred of years......onley 50 years
before hunderds of years Bosnia was ours,oups,there was no Bosnia before Turks ....oups,after the turks,Bosnia was ours,till Yugoslavia was created.....
Not hundred of years......onley 50 years
before hunderds of years Bosnia was ours,oups,there was no Bosnia before Turks ....oups,after the turks,Bosnia was ours,till Yugoslavia was created.....
"....Ja, Ban Bosanski Kulin prisezaju Tebi, kneze Krvasu i vsim gradjam Dubrovcam,pravi prijatelj biti Vam, od sele i do vijeka, i prav goj drzati s vami i pravu vjeru do kole sam ziv.
Vsi Dubrovcane kire hode po moemu vladaniju, trgujuce, gdje si kto hoce kretati, gdje si kto mine, pravov vjerov i pravim srcem drzati je, bez vsake zledi, razvje sto mi kto da po svojov voljov poklon, i da im ne bude od mojih castnikov sile, i do kole u mene budu, dati im svijet i pomoc kakore i sebi, kolikore moze, bez vsega zloga primisla. Tako mi Bog pomagaj i sije Sveto Evandjelje."
For your knowledge, Bosnia is mentioned even before, in 954, in the documents of the Byzantine emperor Constantine Porphyrogenitus, and is descriped as an independant country, with it's own emperors/kings.
Bosnia was an independant country until 1463, when it was conquered by the Ottoman empire, and remained in their control until 1908, when Bosnia was handed to the Austro-Hungarian empire, which was agreed in the Berlin Congress of 1878. After the assasination of prince Franz Ferdinand and his pregnant wife Sophie, and the beggining of WWI, and subsequently the retrieval of the Austro-Hungarian empire, Bosnia was an independant nation until 1918 with the forming of the Kingdom of SHS, and after that the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, and it stayed that way until 1941, and the fall of the Yugoslavian Kingdom.
Now, Bosnia wasnt really under NDH power, altho it was formally the part of the fascist state supported by Germany and Italy. But in reality, Bosnia and Herzegovina was the place of the biggest and most important battles in the partizan resistance and also the centre and, you could say, headquarters of Tito and the resistance until 1944. The actual forming of Yugoslavia also started in Bosnia and Herzegovina, first on the first AVNOJ meeting in Bihać in 1942, and the second one in Jajce in 1943, until NDH was finally destroyed at the end of the war in 1945. So congratulations, you managed to pick the losing side yet again.
Now, my advice to you would be to pull your head out of your ass, and learn your history before speaking next time, it might help you avoid looking like a fool.
I take that assessment of Palestine from Western authors who travelled there at the time. And I'm not trying to justify Israel's actions, just pointing out that there have been benefits to the Zionist movement,
I'm not sure how the wall is illegal, and I'm not trying to say that one side or the other is right. Both sides are wrong, and niether side has a good justification for their actions. Realizing that is the first step to peace. The next step is to stop complaining about the past. What is done is done. You can't kick the Israelis out and you can't kick the Palestinians out. You've got to accept the situation and move on from there.
Most of the Palestinians want to live and work and be free from attack. But, there is a significant number that will settle for nothing less than the destruction of the Israeli state and the expulsion of Jews from Palestine. As long as that faction and exists and continues to use terrorism to accomplish their goals, peace is impossible.
I didn't say that they had stopped. I said that the terrorism would not stop even if the "home steeling" did stop. And is it me or is there a difference between kicking someone out of their home and going to cafe and blowing the whole thing to pieces? Not to say that either one is correct, but to me, terrorism is worse than the confiscation of land.
It's exactly my point that it accomplishes nothing to label someone the aggressor. At this point, it doesn't matter who started what, and no one will ever agree on it anyway. Nobody is right, nobody is more right than the other. Everyone is wrong and the taking of lives on either side is wrong.
Arafat was a terrorist, and he lasted so long because most Palestinians would not actively support or engage in terrorism, but they aren't against it either. They think that it will help them accomplish their goals, or that it will level the score...
Thanks.
I'm not trying to justify the continuous building of settlements. I was trying to justify Israel's existence and the Jewish presence there.
I'm just saying that, IMO, the Jews have as much or more right to most of the land in Palestine. I don't think that the killing accomplishes anything.
My main point is that Palestinians have to accept that the Jews have a right to be there and to have their land. The Israelis have to accept that the Palestinians have the same right. But, before that happens, the violence must be stopped by both sides. I don't mean that the settlements have to stop, I don't mean that people have to be given their land back. The Palestinians want Israel to make good on everything before they stop their terrorism, but that's just unrealistic. The very first step to peace is to halt the killing, nothing else. You needn't do anything, but have both sides stop killing, and the real peace process will start.
I'm not sure how the wall is illegal, and I'm not trying to say that one side or the other is right. Both sides are wrong, and niether side has a good justification for their actions. Realizing that is the first step to peace. The next step is to stop complaining about the past. What is done is done. You can't kick the Israelis out and you can't kick the Palestinians out. You've got to accept the situation and move on from there.
Most of the Palestinians want to live and work and be free from attack. But, there is a significant number that will settle for nothing less than the destruction of the Israeli state and the expulsion of Jews from Palestine. As long as that faction and exists and continues to use terrorism to accomplish their goals, peace is impossible.
I didn't say that they had stopped. I said that the terrorism would not stop even if the "home steeling" did stop. And is it me or is there a difference between kicking someone out of their home and going to cafe and blowing the whole thing to pieces? Not to say that either one is correct, but to me, terrorism is worse than the confiscation of land.
It's exactly my point that it accomplishes nothing to label someone the aggressor. At this point, it doesn't matter who started what, and no one will ever agree on it anyway. Nobody is right, nobody is more right than the other. Everyone is wrong and the taking of lives on either side is wrong.
Arafat was a terrorist, and he lasted so long because most Palestinians would not actively support or engage in terrorism, but they aren't against it either. They think that it will help them accomplish their goals, or that it will level the score...
Thanks.
I'm not trying to justify the continuous building of settlements. I was trying to justify Israel's existence and the Jewish presence there.
I'm just saying that, IMO, the Jews have as much or more right to most of the land in Palestine. I don't think that the killing accomplishes anything.
My main point is that Palestinians have to accept that the Jews have a right to be there and to have their land. The Israelis have to accept that the Palestinians have the same right. But, before that happens, the violence must be stopped by both sides. I don't mean that the settlements have to stop, I don't mean that people have to be given their land back. The Palestinians want Israel to make good on everything before they stop their terrorism, but that's just unrealistic. The very first step to peace is to halt the killing, nothing else. You needn't do anything, but have both sides stop killing, and the real peace process will start.
And here we go....vol2. nI dont really have time to do this so it will come in sequels....
Bosna Divisional Region(see,a region)
Commander: Colonel Pero Blashkovich
HQ in Sarajevo
Bosnia
7th Infantry Regiment - Sarajevo
8th Infantry Regiment - Tuzla
9th Infantry Regiment - Travnik
5th Artillery Battalion - Sarajevo
6th Artillery Battalion - Tuzla
Independent Cavalry Battalion - Kalinovik
2nd Motorized Infantry Battalion - Sarajevo
Bosna Mobile Company - Sarajevo
As we see....whole todays Bosnia under Croatian command.
Bosna Divisional Region(see,a region)
Commander: Colonel Pero Blashkovich
HQ in Sarajevo
Bosnia
7th Infantry Regiment - Sarajevo
8th Infantry Regiment - Tuzla
9th Infantry Regiment - Travnik
5th Artillery Battalion - Sarajevo
6th Artillery Battalion - Tuzla
Independent Cavalry Battalion - Kalinovik
2nd Motorized Infantry Battalion - Sarajevo
Bosna Mobile Company - Sarajevo
As we see....whole todays Bosnia under Croatian command.
Again, you should try opening some history books, this is high school level.
Bosnia was a part of Kingdom SHS as a unique unit, the same as Slovenia, Croatia and Serbia, not as a part of another region, or unit, shall we say, but coming out of the Ottoman empire and under Austrian command, and being inhabitet by muslims, it didnt have any real political powers and it was not inculded in the name of the Kingdom. Even further, muslims werent recognized until the 70s. In WWII, there were various plans about the future of Bosnia, one of them was indeed that Bosnia should become a part of Croatia, the other that it should be added to Serbia, but in the end it was Tito's plan that prevailed, that Bosnia will become an equal republic in the SFRJ.
Now, I dont know what period you are reffering to in your first post, but if it's the NDH period, than I must remind you, that in spite of your "total control" of Bosnia, it was the centre of the revolution and the craetion of Yugoslavia. Great control they had. And I'll also remind you that NDH was destroyed after only 4 years.
Now go away and listen to Thompson, history obviously isnt your strong side.
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