Brilliant, another country developes nuclear weapons? Oh lord, save us from Dubya. (12 Viewers)

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Jul 12, 2002
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I have no reason to lie.
I wasn't meaning to imply that you would lie. My point was that while you may be insensitive, bigotrous, and wrong; at least you put forward your motivations...
 

Bjerknes

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Andy, the guy lives in the USA and hates it with such passion. Why does not move to another country? Hell yes we've got problems here and at times seem like the evil empire, but if i hated the country I would surely move. Does that make sense to you?
Yeah it does not make sense at all. If he hates our country so much he should get the fuck out, and I mean that in the most sincere sort of way. He probably should not be here to begin with.
 
Apr 12, 2004
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I wasn't meaning to imply that you would lie. My point was that while you may be insensitive, bigotrous, and wrong; at least you put forward your motivations...
I may be all of the above, but one thing that I AM NOT is a bigot or a racist. If I did say something to tilt your mind in that direction, it was said merely in jest.
 
Jul 12, 2002
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I may be all of the above, but one thing that I AM NOT is a bigot or a racist. If I did say something to tilt your mind in that direction, it was said merely in jest.
Admittedly, I have some trouble determining whether or not you are joking but, your dissmissiveness of the plight of Native Americans leads me to believe that you are a bigot.
 
Jul 12, 2002
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Yeah it does not make sense at all. If he hates our country so much he should get the fuck out, and I mean that in the most sincere sort of way. He probably should not be here to begin with.
You know, that you can criticize America, and have a realistic view of America's actions, and not hate America, right? I mean, just because I think that America is very wrong in a lot of things that they do and a lot of things that they've done, that doesn't mean that I hate America. In fact, I think America has been a great positive influence to this world in a lot of ways, and there are certainly great Americans and great things about America. But, it's not infalible and it's people are not perfect.
 
Jul 12, 2002
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Just because I do not feel for their cause does not mean that I don't like them or that I hate them.

I am not joking, this is my job.
How can you not feel for their cause unless you don't consider them to be human beings?
 
Apr 12, 2004
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You know, that you can criticize America, and have a realistic view of America's actions, and not hate America, right? I mean, just because I think that America is very wrong in a lot of things that they do and a lot of things that they've done, that doesn't mean that I hate America. In fact, I think America has been a great positive influence to this world in a lot of ways, and there are certainly great Americans and great things about America. But, it's not infalible and it's people are not perfect.
I agree 100 %.
 
Jul 12, 2002
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Look, a lot of f ucked up things happen in this world, and that does not mean I don't feel for them, it just cannot be changed.
Right, right. But, you just said that you don't feel for their cause, so I guess you can understand my confusion. Either you do think it wrong that they were nearly whiped off the earth or you don't. Either you accept Americas culpability in that action or you don't.
 

Slagathor

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Overplayed? I don't think so. If anything it's sadly understated. There has rarely been a more dispicable or complete genocide in history. Americans whiped out 95% of Native Americans...

Native Americans are still reeling from that sad episode...
Well the Spanish ravaged Latin America and the Dutch, French and English aren't saints either...
 
Mar 14, 2004
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We are the saints....we never wanted something that wasn't ours :)

Still....i don't see reasons for creating Israel state. Just cuz few survived moaned all the time and others managed to grab high positions in USA . Why don't you give gipsy's their own state? Huh,maybe you could empty Arkansas and fill it with gipsy's....
 

The Pado

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If we filled up Arkansas with gypsies, would they pick each other's pockets? :D


What you might not realize about USA is that the people and the government had opposite views on Israel prior to the attack of 2001. The American Government and the Jewish Americans both blindly supported Israel's oppressive policies. However, the American public, for the most part, was outraged at Israeli treatment of Palestinians, and most Americans that I saw actually favored the Palestinians in this fight. BUT, you know how the American opinon is shaped and controlled by the media, and that the media is controlled by Jewish Americans. So, on Sept.11, 2001, after the attack on the USA, the media was very quick to state that the Palestinians were celebrating in the streets. This may or may not have been true, but the shocked Americans heard it and believed it. A day later when the Palestinian Authority gave a tepid condemnation of the attack, it was too late. The Americans did not believe it, and all those people who had supported the Palestinians suddenly thought that it might not be so bad to support Israel's oppression of the Palestinians. This is the sad truth, as I saw it.
 
Jul 12, 2002
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If we filled up Arkansas with gypsies, would they pick each other's pockets? :D


What you might not realize about USA is that the people and the government had opposite views on Israel prior to the attack of 2001. The American Government and the Jewish Americans both blindly supported Israel's oppressive policies. However, the American public, for the most part, was outraged at Israeli treatment of Palestinians, and most Americans that I saw actually favored the Palestinians in this fight. BUT, you know how the American opinon is shaped and controlled by the media, and that the media is controlled by Jewish Americans. So, on Sept.11, 2001, after the attack on the USA, the media was very quick to state that the Palestinians were celebrating in the streets. This may or may not have been true, but the shocked Americans heard it and believed it. A day later when the Palestinian Authority gave a tepid condemnation of the attack, it was too late. The Americans did not believe it, and all those people who had supported the Palestinians suddenly thought that it might not be so bad to support Israel's oppression of the Palestinians. This is the sad truth, as I saw it.
I disagree. I think that most people in America don't support the oppression of Palestinians, but they still support the idea of an Israeli state. The problem is that both sides will not allow for that to be thte case. The Palestinians won't stop until the Jews are "driven into the sea", and the Israelis are understandably retalitory because they are being attacked by suicide bombers and the like.
 
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