Boniek appointed Poland coach (1 Viewer)

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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I know it was mentioned somewhere but I lost track of the thread...

Anyway, those of you who know, how was he received in Poland? And do you think he will be a success?
 

vitoria_Ally

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Jul 14, 2002
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I will tell you as soon as possible :), I will do private poll ;) in Poland and I will ask people, what they think and second, I read one more time, what journalists and people from football think.

But after Engel's dissmissed, everybody knew, who would be new coach and they weren't disappointed with that choice.
And I think, they believe in him and have hope, that he can lead Poland first time to Euro finals.
 
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Martin

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Wow that's a lot, thanks!! ;)

Chances are my brother will pick up a Pilka Nozna issue holding some information on that issue anyway but he won't be home for like a month still. :D
 
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Martin

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Perhaps. But Pilka Nozna is readily accessible anywhere, that much I know, with the others I have no idea. It also holds a lot of other interesting (well sometimes) information, unlike a regular paper.

As for the latter, the title scares me away.. :D
 

Leila

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Jul 12, 2002
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Now Boniek has his own fellowship( 9 men), so it should be easier, but I don't really believe it will. I don't trust in his competence. However, some people here say, his the only one to defend polish football. ( How? ) What he wants to do, is to work with polish defence at first-this' his priority.
 
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Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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Well they always mention reports from that paper in the news and it's never anything interesting so I pretty much stay away from it. :D

But don't you think the title has a bit of a socialist cling to it? :D
 

vitoria_Ally

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Jul 14, 2002
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And about the thread ;)

Here you've got few opinions polish coaches and people connected with football:
Górski: Boniek has a big experience as a footballer and he should try. He is ambitious and he will do everything, to not loose.
Tomaszewski: his nomination is a scandal. He is guilty almost like Engel of Polish embarrassment during WC.
Kasperczak: Boniek as Poland's coach is for me big surprise, but I wish him all the best.
Smuda: I think it's good choice, cause he's got strong character and he should handle this.
Piechniczek: Kandydatura Bońka była najlepsza z możliwych, sorry here, but how to say "najlepsza a możliwych???" ;)

And I think this is general meaning about him, but people connected with football. The Polish media are more careful. They remind his successes as footballer, and after that, his failures as a coach with Lecce and Bari. And in fact, almost nobody said: "I don't believe in him and I think he will be poor coach". General meaning is:"We will wait and see".

And about people: I never found very optimistic opinions. Nobody said: "Great!! He's the only one person to this position".
And I think there are reasons, but first let me check my polls ;)

Btw: what do you think about Engel's dismissal? Should he stay or shoud he leave after WC?
 
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Martin

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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Ok that was a great report, well done! ;)

I can't say Tomaszewski's opinion surprises me but I do take him to be sort of a village idiot anyway, a comment ready for the press no matter what.

Kasperczak, now that is an interesting appearance, I might envisage him a successor to Boniek should the latter fail. Do you think that is likely to happen? As you perhaps know his merits are decent if not spectacular. Coach of the year in the Championnat about 10 years ago, he's coached Bastia for a couple of years, took Tunisia to France98 and Mali, never before a participant, to the semi final in the African Nation's Cup 2001.

I think you could translate Piechniczek's statement to mean that Boniek is simply the best candidate for the job. :)

Yes, I'm not surprised people are hesitant (except for the village idiot) to say anything concrete on this matter simply because Boniek has little experience in coaching. His work for the PZPN is well respected by most as far as I know, and in that sense he has made a good name for himself. But his coaching exploits date back a couple of years (more like a decade) and people are anxious to find out whether he can indeed be the man for the job but they have no way of knowing already now. I very much share that view. :)

And finally do I think it was right to fire Engel? Yes and no.

He is the first successful national team coach in I don't know how long. In that sense they should have kept him and set the objective of making Euro2004. He knows the players well, there seem to be no internal conflicts like the ones that plagued the side in the past, he seems to be on top of things in general.

On the other hand, it's not impossible that his tactics are a bit played now. In as much as he constructed a robust side, it was ripped to pieces with little effort (ok with some effort ;)) in 2 out of 3 matches in the actual competition. And that is much less impressive than the very qualifying campaign. I did read allegations about him denying the defeats were his fault, which of course is not the right thing to say for a coach. So perhaps some fresh ideas could do the trick.
 

vitoria_Ally

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Jul 14, 2002
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I was checking some polls about Boniek, and I have to say, I'm a little surprised. Cause results were similar in few places and they were bad. Here you are one example:

What do you think about Boniek as coach?
12 % - This is great idea. He is specialist and knows, what he wants.
23% - Good decision, he is not ideal, but we don't have better one.
24% - Nothing special, I expected this.
18% - This is bad decision. He is too self-confident.
23% - Żenada ;). We will have only defeats.

So you can see. And this is general meaning. But still most people want to gice him a chance.

And these negative opinions have causes or explanations.

1. He was poor as a coach of Italian teams: Lecce and Bari.
20 wins
29 draws
33 defeats
Today he said to some journalist about this: "Yea, go to Italy, try to train some Italian team, and then we can talk". And journalist from "Tuttosport" Luca Borioni said: "Boniek had no chance with those teams, cause they didn't have good enough footballers to play in Serie A. And no coach could help those teams". But for many people, this is still argument against him. So we will see, if they are right :)

2. I think people are general tired of whole PZPN and "colleagues" there. They name them in such way ;). Cause there were many candidates, and everybody knew: of course Boniek. Here you are one more poll:

Who should be Poland's coach?

22% - Boniek
11% - Kasperczak
20% - Smuda
13% - Liczka
4% - Okuka
4% - Wdowczyk
2% - Majewski
24% !! - somebody else !! And here foreigner name !!

Foreigner, cause people think, that Poland have to have good and independent coach, sb don't connected with old agreements with old colleagues.

3. And about his work for PZPN as manager. It's not so easy. Cause he is great, but this is point of view people conncted with PZPN ;). He can find and talk with sponsors and people connected with football and he is respected for this. But the same
man, as a PZPN manager sold Plish league to private, paid television. A few years ago, here was fight about it. I'm not sure, if you remember ;), but previously every Wednesday was a "saint" day, cause of matches in TV :D. And now there are no matches on public TV and some people are still piss off. And curious case: now Boniek is person, who complain, that people in Poland aren't so interested in polish footbal like earlier :LOL:. Wow, what a observant man !! :LOL:

And about Kasperczak: yes, I know his merits. And he was one of three the most serious candidates to that vacancy. ( Boniek, Kasperczak and Liczka – main candidates, and Smuda, Okuka, Wdowczy and Majewski - the rest). And he has really good opinion. So maybe he is a little disappointed. And maybe will be next ;).

And what do I think about Boniek? I have no idea :angel:. I really have to see his achievements as Poland’s coach.

About Engel: the same as you: yes and no. „He is the first successful national team coach in I don't know how long”. For 16 years ;), this is really long. And I agree.
And about his tactics: I agree one more time with you, and the second: there was group of footballers in team, who were too self-confident in negative way and I think Engel couldn’t handle with such sitation. As a coach: he has to !!.

"Piechniczek: Kandydatura Bońka była najlepsza z możliwych, sorry here, but how to say "najlepsza a możliwych???"
I think you could translate Piechniczek's statement to mean that Boniek is simply the best candidate for the job"

I think it’s a matter of interpretation, and you and me, we understand this polish sentence in diferent way ;)
So let’s skip it :)

Huh, I’m almost never sooo long in English :D. In Polish faster and easier for me, and easier for you :).
 
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Martin

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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Wow that was a long one! ;) Oh and [to go completely off topic] I don't write faster in Polish, the words are longer, the letters follow a very inconvenient pattern with respect to the pc keyboard and I rarely write Polish at all, so there you go... :angel:

Back on the case...
1. I'm surprised to hear that, it would be conflicting opinions. From what I've read in the past [and this applies to Bari], they had a very strong squad while he was there, with a number of players who later became well known [my memory fails me at this point, but I think Boban and Boksic were two of them]. Sort of like a team with a lot of talented players who had the potential to do well, despite being a small club. So that certainly leaves a stain on his coaching career.

But I don't know what the deal was with Lecce so he could have a legitimate claim there.

2. A foreign coach. I recently discovered that there were foreign candidates for the job and it would be exciting to see one of those guys in action. Clemente didn't perform too well with the Spanish national team but he is a respected coach nevertheless. The players and ambitions of the national team are probably too insignificant to attract any big names for the position.

3. Yes, that is a talking point no doubt. All part of the great privatization process. Now you'll be the judge of whether the league has improved under these conditions. The question is whether the cash flow is in fact well distributed or if it ends up in the pockets of the directors anyway.

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I think it’s a matter of interpretation, and you and me, we understand this polish sentence in diferent way ;)
So let’s skip it :)
You are too kind. I'm sure the truth is much simpler than that, ie. I just don't understand the Polish text fully... :D
 

vitoria_Ally

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Jul 14, 2002
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Bari - Boban for sure and Lecce - Antonio Conte ex ;)
And now you surprised me. Really conflicting opinions. I was checking this in few sources and everywhere the same. I will check one more time, maybe I will find sth interesting. I'm too curious now, what was the truth. I like to know :). Let me quote on of my favourite serial: "The truth is out there" and I will find out.

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The Polish clubs are happy for sure, cause of money, people - not really ;)

And I think we will know more about Boniek as coach in August, cause there will be match Poland v. Belgium.

I hope, that my opinion about him won't be confirmed by facts ;).

"In Polish faster and easier for me, and easier for you".
Let's say: łatwiej mnie zrozumieć po polsku, a ile dobrze pamietam, Ty nie miałeś z tym problemów :)
 
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Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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1. Well I've heard it been said that people were disappointed by his performance with Bari, considering the squad was quite strong at the time. That's all I heard. :)

Let's say: łatwiej mnie zrozumieć po polsku, a ile dobrze pamietam, Ty nie miałeś z tym problemów
Won't argue with that. :) The question is whether you understand my Polish equally well... :D
 

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