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theory: is it possible the reason the board is not fighting back against the allegations as hard and left the appeals till last day cuz behind the scenes they are working on a settlement.
so let's say they tell prosecuters look we will agree on -15 points + some fines and a transfer ban and that's it. this way prosecuter and FIGC look good "punishing" big bad juve, and juve gets minimal amount of bad exposure.
it's not far fetched and companies do it all the time.
so let's say they tell prosecuters look we will agree on -15 points + some fines and a transfer ban and that's it. this way prosecuter and FIGC look good "punishing" big bad juve, and juve gets minimal amount of bad exposure.
it's not far fetched and companies do it all the time.
Sure, when you want to avoid long process and when there are rules in place which as a company you exploited so you are looking at a likely fine and bad PR. This will be finished by the summer and there were no rules in the 1st place. Apparently they dont even know how to regulate plusvalenza so it would be idiotic to settle over something which isnt regulated. How can we run business in the future, are we going to ask for federation's approval everytime we want to accept transfer fee?
that's what happened with calciopoli too: if we were to drag the case to court, no italian team could have entered the uefa competitions (hello milan, you're welcome), and they even threatened to kick italy out of the world cup due to some obscure reasoning
i don't think we give a shit this time though, that penalty is arbitrary and based on rules that don't exist. i don't think any sane executive will accept that
i don't think we give a shit this time though, that penalty is arbitrary and based on rules that don't exist. i don't think any sane executive will accept that
It's possible, but in the legal profession appeals are very often left till the last day. It just gives you more time to study and change things if necessary and there's no real need to be early. I tend to file my briefs and appeals a couple of days early just to be sure, but most lawyers don't. It's nothing out of the ordinary.
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I think settlement is not an option, because it makes both parties look like they try to hide stuff.
JUVENTUS APPEAL: FOUR REASONS WHY 15-POINT DEDUCTION MUST BE REVOKED
Mar 2, 2023 12:01 - by Lorenzo Bettoni - Leave a Comment
Tuttosport published part of the appeal made by Juventus lawyers against a 15-point deduction, highlighting four reasons why the penalty must be revoked.
The Old Lady has lodged an appeal against a 15-point deduction imposed by FIGC in January.
Tuttosport has published part of the 90-page document prepared by Juventus’ lawyers for their appeal to CONI. They highlight four reasons why the FIGC ruling was ‘unfair’ and should therefore be revoked.
There are only two ways for CONI: either confirm the ruling or cancel it, which means reformulating the point deduction isn’t an option. It’s basically all or nothing for the Bianconeri.
So, why do Juventus believe the ruling was unfair?
The club lawyers insist that no formal rule prohibits capital gains, which is one reason why the Bianconeri were cleared of allegations in a trial in 2022, along with other Italian clubs, including Napoli, and over 50 club directors.
One of the reasons why the FIGC punished Juventus in January is because, in the meantime, new evidence emerged from the criminal investigation carried out by the Turin Prosecutor, including wiretaps and a notebook belonging to Federico Cherubini where, among other things, he blamed his predecessor Fabio Paratici for the excessive use of capital gains.
However, according to Juventus, lawyers, the evidence that emerged is ‘not new’ and the article used by the FIGC Court to justify the point deduction (63 CGS CONI) does not allow an overruling because of ‘new events’ but only for a ‘factual error.’ Juventus also believe the FIGC Court had already scrutinised the most relevant wiretaps and documents when the club was cleared of allegations in 2022.
The third reason is that, according to Juventus lawyers, the FIGC changed the charge against the club, ruling over a new matter without consulting the defence lawyers and committing a ‘serious and blatant violation of the right of defence and the right to be heard.’
Last but not least, Juventus insist that inflated transfer values – also known as Plusvalenze – had a low impact on the club’s finances. ‘Between 2018 and 2021, Juventus’ revenues reached €1,675 billion, while the alleged artificially inflated transfer values are worth €60m, so only 3.6%.’
Mar 2, 2023 12:01 - by Lorenzo Bettoni - Leave a Comment
Tuttosport published part of the appeal made by Juventus lawyers against a 15-point deduction, highlighting four reasons why the penalty must be revoked.
The Old Lady has lodged an appeal against a 15-point deduction imposed by FIGC in January.
Tuttosport has published part of the 90-page document prepared by Juventus’ lawyers for their appeal to CONI. They highlight four reasons why the FIGC ruling was ‘unfair’ and should therefore be revoked.
There are only two ways for CONI: either confirm the ruling or cancel it, which means reformulating the point deduction isn’t an option. It’s basically all or nothing for the Bianconeri.
So, why do Juventus believe the ruling was unfair?
The club lawyers insist that no formal rule prohibits capital gains, which is one reason why the Bianconeri were cleared of allegations in a trial in 2022, along with other Italian clubs, including Napoli, and over 50 club directors.
One of the reasons why the FIGC punished Juventus in January is because, in the meantime, new evidence emerged from the criminal investigation carried out by the Turin Prosecutor, including wiretaps and a notebook belonging to Federico Cherubini where, among other things, he blamed his predecessor Fabio Paratici for the excessive use of capital gains.
However, according to Juventus, lawyers, the evidence that emerged is ‘not new’ and the article used by the FIGC Court to justify the point deduction (63 CGS CONI) does not allow an overruling because of ‘new events’ but only for a ‘factual error.’ Juventus also believe the FIGC Court had already scrutinised the most relevant wiretaps and documents when the club was cleared of allegations in 2022.
The third reason is that, according to Juventus lawyers, the FIGC changed the charge against the club, ruling over a new matter without consulting the defence lawyers and committing a ‘serious and blatant violation of the right of defence and the right to be heard.’
Last but not least, Juventus insist that inflated transfer values – also known as Plusvalenze – had a low impact on the club’s finances. ‘Between 2018 and 2021, Juventus’ revenues reached €1,675 billion, while the alleged artificially inflated transfer values are worth €60m, so only 3.6%.’
We were talking Romanian whores, but got off track.
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I like these two arguments.
Especially the first one leaves little room for interpretation. If you have to go into detail about the plusvalenze, it becomes a matter of interpretation. If the article simply does not allow an overruling, the court's hands are tied.
The second argument is kind of a big thing. It is not wrong for a prosecutor or even the court itself to change the allegations during the trial. However, as a defendant you have to be informed of the fact that they have changed the allegations so you can defend yourself properly. This actually happens quite a lot. From traffic cases where a hit and run with an intentional element can become a charge for not staying on site after an accident to murder becoming manslaughter.
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JUVENTUS APPEAL: FOUR REASONS WHY 15-POINT DEDUCTION MUST BE REVOKED
Mar 2, 2023 12:01 - by Lorenzo Bettoni - Leave a Comment
Tuttosport published part of the appeal made by Juventus lawyers against a 15-point deduction, highlighting four reasons why the penalty must be revoked.
The Old Lady has lodged an appeal against a 15-point deduction imposed by FIGC in January.
Tuttosport has published part of the 90-page document prepared by Juventus’ lawyers for their appeal to CONI. They highlight four reasons why the FIGC ruling was ‘unfair’ and should therefore be revoked.
There are only two ways for CONI: either confirm the ruling or cancel it, which means reformulating the point deduction isn’t an option. It’s basically all or nothing for the Bianconeri.
So, why do Juventus believe the ruling was unfair?
The club lawyers insist that no formal rule prohibits capital gains, which is one reason why the Bianconeri were cleared of allegations in a trial in 2022, along with other Italian clubs, including Napoli, and over 50 club directors.
One of the reasons why the FIGC punished Juventus in January is because, in the meantime, new evidence emerged from the criminal investigation carried out by the Turin Prosecutor, including wiretaps and a notebook belonging to Federico Cherubini where, among other things, he blamed his predecessor Fabio Paratici for the excessive use of capital gains.
However, according to Juventus, lawyers, the evidence that emerged is ‘not new’ and the article used by the FIGC Court to justify the point deduction (63 CGS CONI) does not allow an overruling because of ‘new events’ but only for a ‘factual error.’ Juventus also believe the FIGC Court had already scrutinised the most relevant wiretaps and documents when the club was cleared of allegations in 2022.
The third reason is that, according to Juventus lawyers, the FIGC changed the charge against the club, ruling over a new matter without consulting the defence lawyers and committing a ‘serious and blatant violation of the right of defence and the right to be heard.’
Last but not least, Juventus insist that inflated transfer values – also known as Plusvalenze – had a low impact on the club’s finances. ‘Between 2018 and 2021, Juventus’ revenues reached €1,675 billion, while the alleged artificially inflated transfer values are worth €60m, so only 3.6%.’
Mar 2, 2023 12:01 - by Lorenzo Bettoni - Leave a Comment
Tuttosport published part of the appeal made by Juventus lawyers against a 15-point deduction, highlighting four reasons why the penalty must be revoked.
The Old Lady has lodged an appeal against a 15-point deduction imposed by FIGC in January.
Tuttosport has published part of the 90-page document prepared by Juventus’ lawyers for their appeal to CONI. They highlight four reasons why the FIGC ruling was ‘unfair’ and should therefore be revoked.
There are only two ways for CONI: either confirm the ruling or cancel it, which means reformulating the point deduction isn’t an option. It’s basically all or nothing for the Bianconeri.
So, why do Juventus believe the ruling was unfair?
The club lawyers insist that no formal rule prohibits capital gains, which is one reason why the Bianconeri were cleared of allegations in a trial in 2022, along with other Italian clubs, including Napoli, and over 50 club directors.
One of the reasons why the FIGC punished Juventus in January is because, in the meantime, new evidence emerged from the criminal investigation carried out by the Turin Prosecutor, including wiretaps and a notebook belonging to Federico Cherubini where, among other things, he blamed his predecessor Fabio Paratici for the excessive use of capital gains.
However, according to Juventus, lawyers, the evidence that emerged is ‘not new’ and the article used by the FIGC Court to justify the point deduction (63 CGS CONI) does not allow an overruling because of ‘new events’ but only for a ‘factual error.’ Juventus also believe the FIGC Court had already scrutinised the most relevant wiretaps and documents when the club was cleared of allegations in 2022.
The third reason is that, according to Juventus lawyers, the FIGC changed the charge against the club, ruling over a new matter without consulting the defence lawyers and committing a ‘serious and blatant violation of the right of defence and the right to be heard.’
Last but not least, Juventus insist that inflated transfer values – also known as Plusvalenze – had a low impact on the club’s finances. ‘Between 2018 and 2021, Juventus’ revenues reached €1,675 billion, while the alleged artificially inflated transfer values are worth €60m, so only 3.6%.’
I like these two arguments.
Especially the first one leaves little room for interpretation. If you have to go into detail about the plusvalenze, it becomes a matter of interpretation. If the article simply does not allow an overruling, the court's hands are tied.
The second argument is kind of a big thing. It is not wrong for a prosecutor or even the court itself to change the allegations during the trial. However, as a defendant you have to be informed of the fact that they have changed the allegations so you can defend yourself properly. This actually happens quite a lot. From traffic cases where a hit and run with an intentional element can become a charge for not staying on site after an accident to murder becoming manslaughter.
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JUVENTUS APPEAL: FOUR REASONS WHY 15-POINT DEDUCTION MUST BE REVOKED
Mar 2, 2023 12:01 - by Lorenzo Bettoni - Leave a Comment
Tuttosport published part of the appeal made by Juventus lawyers against a 15-point deduction, highlighting four reasons why the penalty must be revoked.
The Old Lady has lodged an appeal against a 15-point deduction imposed by FIGC in January.
Tuttosport has published part of the 90-page document prepared by Juventus’ lawyers for their appeal to CONI. They highlight four reasons why the FIGC ruling was ‘unfair’ and should therefore be revoked.
There are only two ways for CONI: either confirm the ruling or cancel it, which means reformulating the point deduction isn’t an option. It’s basically all or nothing for the Bianconeri.
So, why do Juventus believe the ruling was unfair?
The club lawyers insist that no formal rule prohibits capital gains, which is one reason why the Bianconeri were cleared of allegations in a trial in 2022, along with other Italian clubs, including Napoli, and over 50 club directors.
One of the reasons why the FIGC punished Juventus in January is because, in the meantime, new evidence emerged from the criminal investigation carried out by the Turin Prosecutor, including wiretaps and a notebook belonging to Federico Cherubini where, among other things, he blamed his predecessor Fabio Paratici for the excessive use of capital gains.
However, according to Juventus, lawyers, the evidence that emerged is ‘not new’ and the article used by the FIGC Court to justify the point deduction (63 CGS CONI) does not allow an overruling because of ‘new events’ but only for a ‘factual error.’ Juventus also believe the FIGC Court had already scrutinised the most relevant wiretaps and documents when the club was cleared of allegations in 2022.
The third reason is that, according to Juventus lawyers, the FIGC changed the charge against the club, ruling over a new matter without consulting the defence lawyers and committing a ‘serious and blatant violation of the right of defence and the right to be heard.’
Last but not least, Juventus insist that inflated transfer values – also known as Plusvalenze – had a low impact on the club’s finances. ‘Between 2018 and 2021, Juventus’ revenues reached €1,675 billion, while the alleged artificially inflated transfer values are worth €60m, so only 3.6%.’
Mar 2, 2023 12:01 - by Lorenzo Bettoni - Leave a Comment
Tuttosport published part of the appeal made by Juventus lawyers against a 15-point deduction, highlighting four reasons why the penalty must be revoked.
The Old Lady has lodged an appeal against a 15-point deduction imposed by FIGC in January.
Tuttosport has published part of the 90-page document prepared by Juventus’ lawyers for their appeal to CONI. They highlight four reasons why the FIGC ruling was ‘unfair’ and should therefore be revoked.
There are only two ways for CONI: either confirm the ruling or cancel it, which means reformulating the point deduction isn’t an option. It’s basically all or nothing for the Bianconeri.
So, why do Juventus believe the ruling was unfair?
The club lawyers insist that no formal rule prohibits capital gains, which is one reason why the Bianconeri were cleared of allegations in a trial in 2022, along with other Italian clubs, including Napoli, and over 50 club directors.
One of the reasons why the FIGC punished Juventus in January is because, in the meantime, new evidence emerged from the criminal investigation carried out by the Turin Prosecutor, including wiretaps and a notebook belonging to Federico Cherubini where, among other things, he blamed his predecessor Fabio Paratici for the excessive use of capital gains.
However, according to Juventus, lawyers, the evidence that emerged is ‘not new’ and the article used by the FIGC Court to justify the point deduction (63 CGS CONI) does not allow an overruling because of ‘new events’ but only for a ‘factual error.’ Juventus also believe the FIGC Court had already scrutinised the most relevant wiretaps and documents when the club was cleared of allegations in 2022.
The third reason is that, according to Juventus lawyers, the FIGC changed the charge against the club, ruling over a new matter without consulting the defence lawyers and committing a ‘serious and blatant violation of the right of defence and the right to be heard.’
Last but not least, Juventus insist that inflated transfer values – also known as Plusvalenze – had a low impact on the club’s finances. ‘Between 2018 and 2021, Juventus’ revenues reached €1,675 billion, while the alleged artificially inflated transfer values are worth €60m, so only 3.6%.’
Boom roasted
Does these arguments work in kangaroo judiciary?
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Dybala to the investigators:
“In April 2023 Juventus has the last opportunity to pay around €3m. On the contrary, my lawyer will make requests in writing, I hope it won't go that far. I want the money back without suing , avoiding problems for me and Juve" (@CalcioFinanza)
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Dybala to the investigators:
“In April 2023 Juventus has the last opportunity to pay around €3m. On the contrary, my lawyer will make requests in writing, I hope it won't go that far. I want the money back without suing , avoiding problems for me and Juve" (@CalcioFinanza)
Spal president :"It seems like they wanted to make a statement. The old guard is gone now and sending off the Agnelli family,” said Tacopina in an exclusive interview with The Italian Football Podcast.
“They’re gone now, the Agnelli were synonymous with Italian football. They are being made an example of and I don’t think what is happening to them is warranted based on their actions. But we’re in a different world now.”
The famous American lawyer and businessman feels that the Italian football justice failed to ensure fairness and justice on and off the field.
“Here’s my issue with Italian football. As long as there’s justice on and off the field and are handed out equally to all then I’m fine with that. I have an issue sometimes that doesn’t seem to happen. I want to be clear there should be fairness across the board, whether you’re dealing with Juventus or Sassuolo.
“Juventus were a club who people said the league was in their pockets and the referees were in their pockets and they were called thieves but we’re not there anymore clearly, and so the pendulum shouldn’t swing too far the other way either.”
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The 3,7mln€ appears in Juve's 2021/22 balance sheet under the heading 'provision for risks'. The private contract between Dybala and the club has been found, signed by both parties, but not filed with the league. For that reason, Dybala risks a ban and Juventus a point deduction penalty.
[@CalcioFinanza)
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Paratici had a thirst for domination, he would buy some players just to prevent others from doing it and he also called me at night,” he said, according to the report.
“Some clubs acted as ‘banks’ helping Juventus make capital gains and I kept the side letters in a briefcase which I always kept with me. We could not register the documents within Lega Calcio, otherwise, we could not register a capital gain under the new rules.
“Most clubs wanted a buy-back clause, which we could not grant because the capital gain can’t be registered until the option is valid,” continued Lombardo.
“Juventus directors asked me to keep the documents which should not have been found. The text was written by Gabasio who had acquired more power after Marotta’s exit.”
Lombardo is not under investigation and was interrogated as a ‘person informed about the matter.’
He also mentioned some deals made with Atalanta: “€14.5m in total, €4m for Mattiello, €4m for Muratore, €3.5m for Caldara and €3m for Romero. Players knew about the agreements, and the written documents would be the guarantee.”
Lombardo added that there were similar agreements also for [Riccardo] Orsolini, [Meirh] Demiral, [Hamad] Traoré, [Erasmo] Mulè, [Emil] Audero, [Daouda] Peeters, [Alberto] Cerri Cagliari and [Rolando] Mandragora.
“With Mandragora, they realised they could not register a capital gain because of a buy-back clause. Marotta was still at the club. I asked why we had to sign him back if he’d never played for Juventus and I was told ‘because we have an obligation.'”
“They’re gone now, the Agnelli were synonymous with Italian football. They are being made an example of and I don’t think what is happening to them is warranted based on their actions. But we’re in a different world now.”
The famous American lawyer and businessman feels that the Italian football justice failed to ensure fairness and justice on and off the field.
“Here’s my issue with Italian football. As long as there’s justice on and off the field and are handed out equally to all then I’m fine with that. I have an issue sometimes that doesn’t seem to happen. I want to be clear there should be fairness across the board, whether you’re dealing with Juventus or Sassuolo.
“Juventus were a club who people said the league was in their pockets and the referees were in their pockets and they were called thieves but we’re not there anymore clearly, and so the pendulum shouldn’t swing too far the other way either.”
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The 3,7mln€ appears in Juve's 2021/22 balance sheet under the heading 'provision for risks'. The private contract between Dybala and the club has been found, signed by both parties, but not filed with the league. For that reason, Dybala risks a ban and Juventus a point deduction penalty.
[@CalcioFinanza)
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Paratici had a thirst for domination, he would buy some players just to prevent others from doing it and he also called me at night,” he said, according to the report.
“Some clubs acted as ‘banks’ helping Juventus make capital gains and I kept the side letters in a briefcase which I always kept with me. We could not register the documents within Lega Calcio, otherwise, we could not register a capital gain under the new rules.
“Most clubs wanted a buy-back clause, which we could not grant because the capital gain can’t be registered until the option is valid,” continued Lombardo.
“Juventus directors asked me to keep the documents which should not have been found. The text was written by Gabasio who had acquired more power after Marotta’s exit.”
Lombardo is not under investigation and was interrogated as a ‘person informed about the matter.’
He also mentioned some deals made with Atalanta: “€14.5m in total, €4m for Mattiello, €4m for Muratore, €3.5m for Caldara and €3m for Romero. Players knew about the agreements, and the written documents would be the guarantee.”
Lombardo added that there were similar agreements also for [Riccardo] Orsolini, [Meirh] Demiral, [Hamad] Traoré, [Erasmo] Mulè, [Emil] Audero, [Daouda] Peeters, [Alberto] Cerri Cagliari and [Rolando] Mandragora.
“With Mandragora, they realised they could not register a capital gain because of a buy-back clause. Marotta was still at the club. I asked why we had to sign him back if he’d never played for Juventus and I was told ‘because we have an obligation.'”
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