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Whats happening right now is because of not caring. Our owners don't care about us, never cared after the old guy
We allowed our name to be put through the mud to often, they allowed Juve to be so so unprotected.
2006 should have showed us that we are like a key chain to the new 'Agnelli's'. The sad true is that they don't give a fuck.
When our owners don't protect us and they don't give a fuck. That's why these things are happening.
If thia happened to RM, Barcelona, Bayern etc UEFA and the federation would burn.
We should learn what it means when owners love their club from Bayern Munich.
We allowed our name to be put through the mud to often, they allowed Juve to be so so unprotected.
2006 should have showed us that we are like a key chain to the new 'Agnelli's'. The sad true is that they don't give a fuck.
When our owners don't protect us and they don't give a fuck. That's why these things are happening.
If thia happened to RM, Barcelona, Bayern etc UEFA and the federation would burn.
We should learn what it means when owners love their club from Bayern Munich.
On Chine:
"#Chine #FIGC #Mef Let's continue with the Chiné story. We want to clarify that here no one is accused without proof, that is a role that certainly does not belong to us, but we want to give you as much material as possible to make you think. And sorry for the long thread. "
"As we said, between your information and our analyses, we discovered in Chiné a strange, nebulous figure within the FIGC. We told you about its strange territorial proximity (Latin court with the issue of false and stolen passports / licenses. "
"We have shared with you the complaint made by Serappo where it was pointed out that Ulivieri openly declared that he had received documents from the federal prosecutor's office. Illegal thing. Then ended up in filing (not acquittal, important fact). "
"We explained well the doubts that the lawyer. Destratis feeds on the federal prosecutor's office that does not investigate the election of the presidents of the National Amateur League. A fact that indirectly facilitates Gravina's position in the presidency (97 %) . "
"Today, however, we are talking about a fact that also affects the Italian State. In fact, while everyone says "the press doesn't say things!1!1" while all the newspapers share exactly those things, here we see a case that nobody really says and we want pay attention to you "
"They went so far as to bring the tapir to Santorelli for the declarations of hatred towards Juventus (serious, not for typhus, but for doubts of impartiality), but has nobody asked Chiné any questions? Did anyone ask if the Latina/Patenti connection existed? What about the exhibits? "
"To put it like a journalist with whom we have discussed this in recent days, we can guess that this is true: "I think that right now it is necessary to be even more rigorous than it normally should be. If you make a mistake on Chiné, they will grind you". "
"But let's go back to the Chiné question. Did you know that he did not have the requisites to become head of the Cabinet of the MEF: "in the declaration of non-existence of causes of non-transferability and incompatibility, he failed to communicate his federal position precisely" "
"So, in order to be able to fill the two roles without conflicts of interest, he omitted this little detail while polishing his CV. "But if no one said anything it means they could." Well no! Here everything falls apart. In fact, 3 ministers have requested a parliamentary question. "
"So, in summary we have a person who has to judge but who: makes false statements, illegally sends confidential documents to friends, would turn a blind eye to investigations concerning doubts about the election of presidents Lnd and is close (territorially) to the case of false passports "
"#Chine #FIGC #Mef Let's continue with the Chiné story. We want to clarify that here no one is accused without proof, that is a role that certainly does not belong to us, but we want to give you as much material as possible to make you think. And sorry for the long thread. "
"As we said, between your information and our analyses, we discovered in Chiné a strange, nebulous figure within the FIGC. We told you about its strange territorial proximity (Latin court with the issue of false and stolen passports / licenses. "
"We have shared with you the complaint made by Serappo where it was pointed out that Ulivieri openly declared that he had received documents from the federal prosecutor's office. Illegal thing. Then ended up in filing (not acquittal, important fact). "
"We explained well the doubts that the lawyer. Destratis feeds on the federal prosecutor's office that does not investigate the election of the presidents of the National Amateur League. A fact that indirectly facilitates Gravina's position in the presidency (97 %) . "
"Today, however, we are talking about a fact that also affects the Italian State. In fact, while everyone says "the press doesn't say things!1!1" while all the newspapers share exactly those things, here we see a case that nobody really says and we want pay attention to you "
"They went so far as to bring the tapir to Santorelli for the declarations of hatred towards Juventus (serious, not for typhus, but for doubts of impartiality), but has nobody asked Chiné any questions? Did anyone ask if the Latina/Patenti connection existed? What about the exhibits? "
"To put it like a journalist with whom we have discussed this in recent days, we can guess that this is true: "I think that right now it is necessary to be even more rigorous than it normally should be. If you make a mistake on Chiné, they will grind you". "
"But let's go back to the Chiné question. Did you know that he did not have the requisites to become head of the Cabinet of the MEF: "in the declaration of non-existence of causes of non-transferability and incompatibility, he failed to communicate his federal position precisely" "
"So, in order to be able to fill the two roles without conflicts of interest, he omitted this little detail while polishing his CV. "But if no one said anything it means they could." Well no! Here everything falls apart. In fact, 3 ministers have requested a parliamentary question. "
"So, in summary we have a person who has to judge but who: makes false statements, illegally sends confidential documents to friends, would turn a blind eye to investigations concerning doubts about the election of presidents Lnd and is close (territorially) to the case of false passports "
when gazzetta, the journal that makes their living by shitting on jj, takes your side and publish an editorial titled something like juve, the right to a fair trial, you simply know that the italian system is 100% fucked up
https://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Seri...un-processo-equo-obiettivo-460136510643.shtml
https://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Seri...un-processo-equo-obiettivo-460136510643.shtml
I don't think City is anyone's "darling", because almost the entire football world has been out for blood ever since they became rich. They are the original sheikh team and they're pretty universally hated with the obvious exception of their fans.
That being said, it might help us forward because they are being accused of serious financial wrongdoing for a very long period of time and it takes the eyes of the world away.
The charges we face on the other hand are hazy at best. I spoke to a Neapolitan the other day and he told me he has been following everything around this for so long now and it still isn't obvious to him what Juventus are even exactly accused of. But, in the end, it's a different jurisdiction so who knows.
That being said, it might help us forward because they are being accused of serious financial wrongdoing for a very long period of time and it takes the eyes of the world away.
The charges we face on the other hand are hazy at best. I spoke to a Neapolitan the other day and he told me he has been following everything around this for so long now and it still isn't obvious to him what Juventus are even exactly accused of. But, in the end, it's a different jurisdiction so who knows.
It's the first time I've actually seen Italian newspapers push back.
The way this has been done is completely unacceptable. It feels like a couple of Napoli and Inter fans sat around a table and decide to take away 15 points, because they "feel" like we did something wrong.
Let's be honest here. Who in this thread knows what exactly we are being charged with? I mean, at least the charges should be clear as day, but they're not. How can there ever be a fair trial, if we don't even know what we have to defend ourselves for?
The way this has been done is completely unacceptable. It feels like a couple of Napoli and Inter fans sat around a table and decide to take away 15 points, because they "feel" like we did something wrong.
Let's be honest here. Who in this thread knows what exactly we are being charged with? I mean, at least the charges should be clear as day, but they're not. How can there ever be a fair trial, if we don't even know what we have to defend ourselves for?
Firstable I don't think that they're gonna remove that -15 no matter what.
Even if they do they'll do anything to punish us with a -30 for wages thing.
If they don't remove the -15 we'll have to fight to stay in Serie A
But you're right even those 40days extra to investigate seems only a way to check what we do in Serie A and deal with us in a clinical way at the end of the season.
Now the fight seems political. Will it win the "let's relegate Juventus" or "let's keep them in Serie A as we need them to sell 2024-2027 tv deals"
Nothing more.
This is not justice. Just a fight between "Feck Juventus who cares" or "wait feck them but not too much or we'll lose money as well"
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Exactly!
First we're punished for something that by the rules at worst means a fine.
Exactly what they asked for all the other teams.
Inter excluded and they did more than us.
Instead we got -15 cause it's us and they invented the "system"
Then they wanna punish us for wages.
But for what?!! we paid them. We paid everything above the table! not like City with third company giving extra salary to staff and players!
So for what they wanna punish us with another -20 at least! for fucking what!
This has nothing to do with the field.
Juventus was able to pay anyway anyhow the wages!
That's what I don't understand.
I understand if Consob or the likes investigate us and Agnelli&Co but this has nothing to do with the field.
As Exor unlike Suning or the rest is perfectly able to cover losses and the rest.
This is making me mad. Other teams keep saying "wages wages" but what?!?!?
Even if they do they'll do anything to punish us with a -30 for wages thing.
If they don't remove the -15 we'll have to fight to stay in Serie A
But you're right even those 40days extra to investigate seems only a way to check what we do in Serie A and deal with us in a clinical way at the end of the season.
Now the fight seems political. Will it win the "let's relegate Juventus" or "let's keep them in Serie A as we need them to sell 2024-2027 tv deals"
Nothing more.
This is not justice. Just a fight between "Feck Juventus who cares" or "wait feck them but not too much or we'll lose money as well"
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Exactly!
First we're punished for something that by the rules at worst means a fine.
Exactly what they asked for all the other teams.
Inter excluded and they did more than us.
Instead we got -15 cause it's us and they invented the "system"
Then they wanna punish us for wages.
But for what?!! we paid them. We paid everything above the table! not like City with third company giving extra salary to staff and players!
So for what they wanna punish us with another -20 at least! for fucking what!
This has nothing to do with the field.
Juventus was able to pay anyway anyhow the wages!
That's what I don't understand.
I understand if Consob or the likes investigate us and Agnelli&Co but this has nothing to do with the field.
As Exor unlike Suning or the rest is perfectly able to cover losses and the rest.
This is making me mad. Other teams keep saying "wages wages" but what?!?!?
Honestly this kind of thing is good banter than my mates throw at me.
BUT
You just CANT come out with this kind of thing when you hold such a position of authority over Italian football. You can't use a 'locker room talk'-style defence either- the equivalent would be like if you and your mates made jokes about assassinating President X or nuking country Y, and then once you became leader of your country you kept making jokes about it. In that case they wouldn't be jokes anymore, they would be threats.
BUT
You just CANT come out with this kind of thing when you hold such a position of authority over Italian football. You can't use a 'locker room talk'-style defence either- the equivalent would be like if you and your mates made jokes about assassinating President X or nuking country Y, and then once you became leader of your country you kept making jokes about it. In that case they wouldn't be jokes anymore, they would be threats.
